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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-14-2002 14:20

Just an idea for a kind of pong game.

Someone comes up with an idea such as an advert either web based or for print.

a group of us get together and each person within that group undertakes one part of the project and work as a team to produce the overall final project, it would be good practice to work with a group sharing different skills and also be interesting as it would have to be discussed etc via email or online chat rather than the usual round the table meetings,anyone interested???

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-14-2002 14:39

tomeaglescz: An interesting idea. A while back I think I mentioned a kind of RP for the site reviews section - like a site makeover. People submit sites (at least intially I'd prefer 'worthy' ones, like your local donkey sanctuary, but over time it woul be interesting to throw in a range of different types), we pick one for the month and people offer their talents, a team leader brings together their team and gets cracking. It would provide lots of interesting experience and I'd draw up some rules and mediate in any disputes/misunderstandings (another wonderful aspect of working as a team ).

Thoughts?

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Emps

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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-14-2002 15:17

emps sounds great although i would like to do other projects aswell as web based stuff, but i am in for this one, didnt realise it was already being kicked around, if you want a hand get this one off the ground count me, i have worked on lots of multi skilled group projects as a manager and as a team member, my biggest was heading up the lucent technologies gsm divisions intranet and involved flying just about everywhere from the gsm world hq in england for meetings, so this one is right up my alley.

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-14-2002 15:25

tomeaglescz: I only mentioned it in passing (I think when Jestah was proposing a fanzine) but I have given it some thought so if other people are interested we could firm things up.

This needn't stop you from working on other team projects (if you wanted to say do a print one in the print forum) but it would leand itself well to that kind of thing with different people bringing different skills to the table, etc.

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Emps

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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-14-2002 15:55

emps count me in for the web based stuff aswell, i was thinking that we could do random projects maybe set by a few people, but if we can help people out in the way you suggested aswell i think that is a cool idea aswell, my only issue would be how to approach people to do their sites in an unpatromising manner and also who would decide what. Either way i hope this gets enough interest to kick it off the ground, splitting it into different areas might not me a good idea but i am not sure how to get round this, as it really doesnt fall into any category within the forum maybe setting something up outside of the assylum but linked to it like the chess thing would be a good idea for this what ya think.

BeeKay
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: North Carolina mountains
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 06-14-2002 16:05

I would be interested in participating. Sign me up.

I can specialize in writing content. I can also do some basic graphic design and basic HTML coding.

Cell Number: 494

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-14-2002 16:17

tomeaglescz: I don't see it as carving the idea up more like spreading it around a little. We have the RP which isn't a contest, we have individual and collaborative contests, there is talk of a debate, etc. so it might be an interesting idea to have group collaborative efforts too but focused at the appropriate forums (site reviews and print for your ideas). There is no reason they need to run for just a month or that a new one has to start as soon as a previous one has finished - you could do a site makeover for a couple of months then do a quite print group project, have a month off, etc. In fact you could have a site makeover or just build one from the ground up - there is plenty of room for flexibility.

How would we get sites? Tricky one but people are involved with various things outside the Asylum in their communities or with larger organisations. In fact they are probably being asked to do various things for various people right now but they just don't have the time. Anyone in this situation?

Anyway we can decide on specific things if enough interest is shown.

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Emps

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WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-14-2002 16:24

*Raises hand* Uhh...yeah, how 'bout the ripperreport? *sheepish grin* I mean, if you guys need something to work on...I could sure use the help...and, of course, I'd be right in there helping...

tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-14-2002 16:25

emps okies ya sold me, my only concern is that as you said any site revamps or even scratch builds must be free of charge and for good causes if space etc becomes an issue i have my own server sat on a 1mb line so we could use that ok i know its iis on win2k but its availiable.



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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-14-2002 16:26

WS nice to see ya here! looks like we got some interest kicking in already

BeeKay
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: North Carolina mountains
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 06-14-2002 16:28

I also have some unused web space to donate to such a project for temporary use.

ripperreport ... sounds like a potentially good first project. Has anything been done on it yet WS?

Cell Number: 494

Veneficuz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: A graveyard of dreams
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-14-2002 16:32

Were do I sign up?

Don't think I can be much help in the graphic area, but I can probably help out with some of the coding etc. If we need somewhere to store the site , I might be able to have it on 'my server' (Linux server with Apache, ++) as long as it doesn't become too large. Haven't asked the one who acctually owns the server yet, but I think I could manage to arrange something if needed.

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Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-14-2002 16:52

tomeaglescz: OK it looks like things are starting to roll. Its your idea so run with it. Some thoughts:

1. It would be best if the site is non-commercial and small-medium sized - you'll probably get more people offering to help in these circumstances.

2. We'd only need the space for development. The offers of hosting are cool and give us the flexibility to use different types of technology.

3. Who gets to decide - its your idea so its your call. You might want to see what everyone else wants to do if there are a number of options (that may you'll have people more enthusiastic about the project).

4. People who want to join a team should prepare some kind of resume so the project leader can select the best people for the job.

5. It might be best if people who have experience of leading a project like this become the project leader for the first few goes so people can get used to it but I would love to see (sensible, level-headed) people who have never done this before. ts a great learning experience and looks great on one's resume and there is plenty of help around if they need it.

Other ideas as they occur to me.

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Emps

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WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-14-2002 17:03

Ok, if you decide to go with the ripperreport, I've already got space there...with all the extras...and as I'm footing the bills, it costs nada...

As to what has been done...just preliminary work...that's how I start all projects...first on paper, then after all the things have been 'squared away', then the actual 'design' work...

But let's see what tom has to say...

So go with it tom...it's your baby.

tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-14-2002 17:08

ok as it looks like this is going to take off here is my view of how to go forward with this (open to suggestions)

1.create an area in the FAQ where those prepared to participate can put a brief list of thier skills/experience level in

this will create a mini pool of resources a team leader can draw upon for any given task

2. Anyone with ideas for projects can post them in here

3. I dont mind heading up the first project as i have said i have quite a bit of experience in this

4. i would like someone else to take care of this one with me in case i am out of the loop for any reason so emps if ya up for it i would appreciate the help

5. this is going to be on a volunteer basis obviously but if someone commits to any given project they should try and stick with it unless something really crops up that stops them, this is how it works in the real world and if we are going to use this as a learning experience it should apply here aswell.

6. well this is really a question for the doc, if we undertake a project on behalf of someone do we link a credit back here, obviously i would like to see people getting credit for their contributions as they could be used for real life resumee's etc.

the rest i am open for suggetsions to, lets try and keep the momentum going and get something kicked off.

edit oops my new sig was on sorry



ok i added something to the FAQ (I hope i got it right..wasnt sure where to place it so its here: http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/FaqWiki/shownode.php?id=575&sortby=rating

thx tom

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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-14-2002 17:39

ohh someone sorted the faq out more cheers

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-14-2002 17:40

tomeaglescz: Good progress. I moved the node so that it lives with Ozone Traditions (should I change this to Asylum Activities perhaps?) - the neat URL is:
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/575/

I also started a node where people can sign up:
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/576/

and another where they can propose a project idea (site, etc.):
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/577/

I'll shadow you on this (if something comes up I can then either take over or find someone else to do it depending on how busy I am).

I would suggest that you start another node 'Previous Projects' and each project gets another node in there - I think part of the agreement for doing a site would be that there is a link at the bottom of the page 'This site was an Asylum Team project' with a link to the appropariate node. The node could then list what each person did and provide links to any threads where you kept us up to speed on progress or asked for reviews/feedback.

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Emps

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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-14-2002 17:44

emps thanks for that


Sign up on the dotted line .......>

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WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-15-2002 06:53

I'm in...

tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-15-2002 10:18

OK in quick answer to the two questions which were posted in the FAQ.

Originally i came up with an idea for a kind of mulit disciplined fpong/rp game involving team work, good practice for the real world; emps put in some really cool ideas and suggested actually taking on real world projects such as site revamps or scratch builds for worthy causes.

So what we are really looking for is people that

1.want to get experience of working as a team,often getting that first job based on ya ability alone is very difficult, so by joining in with a given project all people on that project will recieve full credit in the profect faq, we will place a link on any work back to that faq so people can use it as a site reference.

2.people who are willing to share their talents and hopefully do some good deeds for worthy causes and hopefully bring an even more enhanced reputation to the asylum.

3.all we ask really is for commitment and sensible inputs etc. This is a chance to do some really cool teamwork stuff, it wont just be web based as in sites but at later stages we are hoping to say set a task such as create an advert that will be used in a magazine (fake of course) and so give people experience in other areas.

as far as the non disclosure stuff goes i am not sure what you mean, obviously one area that hasnt been mooted here yet is that of copyright... for projects that we undertake.

here is some ideas that i have...feel free to kick them into touch discuss or add to them.

1.as the work will almost certainly be none profit based or chargeable i think that the work we do should be on a license base where we grant the people we do the work for to use artwork cose etc only on that website unless express permission is given. in that way the copyright will retain with the artist programmer etc. as most of the projects will be shown in a step by step phase in the FAQ area we will be able to show "Prior Knoeweledge" of such artworks coding etc. (Prior knoweledge is one of the key factors in any copyright issue)

2.As for the ripping part or exploitation of an idea that would really be down to two things copyright again and trust; i really hope this is something that wont be an issue here although it has reared its head here a few times.

3.I have already answred a post to someone that was looking for a designer in the photoshop forum, explaining to him what we were doing, i think he may be posting here, here already seems to have posted to the FAQ. This brings into play another point, if we are approached to do a pay site what do we do? do we say give the money to an assylum project like the box,pass it on to doc to do some good with it i.e. charity etc?

4.these issues needed to be kicked around before we actually undertake any projects, once we have set up some guidelines etc we can post them into the FAQ area, so guys please help me out on this one with ya points etc. if there is anything you want to talk about via email my hotmail link is active on the email button.also i can be reached on msn using the same email address.

thx again guys and i look forward to reading ya points of view and getting this thing off the ground

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-15-2002 10:47

Frankly, if we get offered money, I feel it should go to the Doc...he does pay the bills here, after all...just my opinion...

I would suggest doing it for free, however...sort of a linux thing...

tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-15-2002 10:54

WS The concept behind this is that it will be free, what i was asking is if we get asked to do a paying project or someone wants to donate something what to do with it ...
glad to see youre on board tho

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-15-2002 12:33

Interesting issues - things I wanted to avoid with this project:

1. Doing inmate's personal sites

2. Taking potentially commerical work away from inmates who are doing this for a living.

If people want paid work doing I think the fair thing to do woud be a to drop a note into Outpatient Counselling so people can pitch for it (offline).

If people want to give some money or a present as thanks then it is the Doc's call. I'd say with cash we give it to the upkeep of the place if it is a present (like a book or something) then we could have some kind of competition or something.

I like your ideas about for allowing use - as things get moving you might want to think about some kind of contract.

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Emps

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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-15-2002 12:48

emps:

i haven't got a template for a contract and this si one thing i really dont want to mess up on. so if anyone has a contract they dont mind me having a look at to base things on please let me know or has one that is ready to use already ...

cheers

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-15-2002 15:12

tomeaglescz: You've got the start of a contract in your comments above:

1. Usage - they can use the code and graphics but they can't pass the work off as their own or repackage it and sell it.

ETC.

You might also need to look at hosting - although we can provide some hosting during development (if needed) they will need to sort long term hosting out (although we can provide advice on the best deal).

Basically what you need to do is clarify things for both their protection and ours.

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Emps

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Dracusis
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Brisbane, Australia
Insane since: Apr 2001

posted posted 06-15-2002 21:24

~punches in his time card~

So what's all da comotion about in here den eh?

Oooh, coolness. Count me in.

WS, I said I'd help out for the Ripper Repost and I'm basically on holidays now so I'm all yours. Just e-mail me and we can get things started! I've been looking over the PHPBB for the past couple of days.

I'm also in for any other projects for the next month and a half. I'll come back tommorow or later on tonight but this is basically the first day of my holidays so I'm off to shoot people online. It's been soooo long. I'll come back and read through everything a bit later and I'll have more to say then.

Although I'm in serious need of bolstering my portfolio in every which way so I'm willing to undertake any work possible over my semester break, be it asylum related or otherwise. I've also been wanting to give something back to the web community at large for a while now as it's given me sooo much. The ripper report seems like a good place to start.

So, basically I'm in for anything PHP, SQL, Perl, Javascript, DHTML, Photoshop, HTML or CSS related.

Kudos to tomeaglescz & Emps for getting the ball rolling.

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-16-2002 03:38

Dracusis: Good to have you on board now go and sign up:
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/576/

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Emps

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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-16-2002 15:21

OK i have been working on an agreement...contract

here are the key points if someone wants to put it into a better looking form or add points thats cool

Ozone's asylum team project agrees to undertake the project for ........ subject to the following conditions.

1.A license is granted to ....... to use the code graphics in the agreed manner, and hereby undertakes not to use said code /graphics in other shape or form or to distribute or allow others to without full and express permission from the asylum team project members.

2.All Copyrights and Intellectual properties remain fully with the original artists and programmers.

3.The Ozone Team asylum project will not be held reponsible for any changes to code or images done by any other party including that which the work has been done for.

4.No Graphic or code produced by the asylum team project can be used in whole or part in any commercial project that the person/s we undertake the work for, that will result in profit for said person, this excludes charitable sites where donations given to them will not be considerd a form of payment.

5.we will not be responsible for hosting the site we undertake or mainting its conection to the internet, but will recommend hosting companies etc that the site can be hosted on.

6.There will be a link on the site created pointing back to the ozone asylum, the person/s who we undertake the work for must not remove or allow to be removed this link.

ok any other ideas please give me some input, there's probably lots i have missed and have maybe not described properly here. if you want to get hold of me outside of the asylum

email:tomeaglescz@hotmail.com

MS Messenger same address

thx tom

Veneficuz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: A graveyard of dreams
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-16-2002 17:21

I haven't done any real contracts before, but it looks good to me

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Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-16-2002 20:03

tomeaglescz: Looks good (we can pick up an typos in the finaal version) - one thing I'd try and make clear is that and original content (logos, graphics, text, etc.) that they supply (if it is a redesign or they already have logos) remain copyright to them. This is covered in point 2 (I believe) but we don't want to keep fielding questions about it along the lines of 'does this mean you get copyright control over my logo?'.

If I think of anything else I'll throw it in.

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Emps

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poidesign
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 06-17-2002 03:43

Well, sign me up for this project as well. I can help you with graphics.

Poi

PoiDesign.com

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WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-17-2002 10:43

Poidesign, drop over to here http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/FaqWiki/shownode.php?id=576&sortby=rating and get signed up...welcome on board...

tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-17-2002 16:13

OK i am throwing open this for suggestions for our first project,

1.ripper report (WS)
2.a Team Project site where we can point people from the outside to look at what we can offer/do for them
i personally would rather not have them being referred to here but thats my 0.2
3.(open to suggestions) the quicker we get some the quicker we can move on this

please post your suggestions here
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/577/

Oh one more thing....doh please vote for which proposed project you want to do (is there anyway of blocking multiple votes y the same person????) or checking this me only ikkle so hopefully oe of the psycho's or MS's can help me out here

thanks

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Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-17-2002 22:15

tomeaglescz: OK I see WarMage has signed up so it looks like you've got a good range of skills on offer there!! My advice would be to get a few projects under your belt before thining about setting up a separate site - you'll have more people interested in helping by then. However, I'm not sure if you'll need to spin off another site as most of the things can be dealt with here and by keeping the Team Project visible here you'll generate more interest. Anyway see how it goes but it is looking promising

About your question:

quote:
Oh one more thing....doh please vote for which proposed project you want to do (is there anyway of blocking multiple votes y the same person????) or checking this me only ikkle so hopefully oe of the psycho's or MS's can help me out here



There is no way to stop someone from voting up a certain proposed project so I think you should get people to throw in their comments and rely on your judgement rather than just decide things on a straight vote.

Anyway looking good

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Veneficuz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: A graveyard of dreams
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-18-2002 00:18

I'm in favour of www.ripperreport.com. There has been so much talk about ripps etc lately and if we get this site going it might stop the trend before it gets out of hand.

And if I remember correctly WS has done part of the work on that site allready so the we will be of to a good start before we even begin


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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-18-2002 10:20

OK please start voting or suggesting projects here http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/577/

what i would like to see is ya name if you are for or against a certain project and the reasons why.. also please state if you are willing to work on the project or have the time to work on it.

if i dont hear from anyone else as far as other possible projects i will contact webshamen on friday with a view to kicking this off. WS please put an outline of what you expect from the ripper report in your proposed project area so people can see whats involved, i will then form a team for this project if it is the one to go.



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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-19-2002 08:53

bump bump bump hey guys lets keep the momentum going head off to the faq and and start voting volunteering, proposing projects etc

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-19-2002 11:42

tomeaglecz: OK I've voted for the Ripper Report:
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/607/

I talked to WS about this a while back and he has a good, clear idea of what he wants so you could probably move ahead on this quite rapidly which would keep the ball rolling (important in the early stages). I would be interested to see if anyone else knows of anymore proposed projects (it would help give you an idea of how popular this will be).

On a side note I see Karl has proposed a commercial site:
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/612/

It is my feeling that things could get much more complicated if commercial sites were allowed in the mix - I have started a FAQ and a thread here on the subject.

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Emps

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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-19-2002 11:50

Emps i agree with you there on the commercial site thing as far as an asylum project goes, when i brought up the original idea about sites that pay i meant possible donations and what we do with them, as far as carls site goes i think it is way too complex an issue to be dealt with by the team as it is a speculative project, although i would be willing to help him get the thing underway or give him some tips on taking a project like that on..

OK it looks like the Ripper Report is picking up some interest which is good What we need are some volunteers from the people who said they want to participate in this project, so if you want in please volunteer



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WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-19-2002 12:41

Ok, I'll get some stuff in there on the ripperreport Friday...got a bit 'bogged down' in the formal debate...my head is still swimming from the massive amount of information I had to dig through...was worth it though.

Thanks for the heads up...I'm on it...

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-19-2002 12:52

tomeaglescz: I agree on the commrecial project front (I've moved Karl's thread to OC if anyone is interested in that). About volunteers - I would take people's signing up as a general indication that they are ready and willing unless they specifically can't make it at the moment. If you do take on the Ripper Report it might be worth forming and idea of what needs doing once WS has drawn up some detailed specs and then contact the relevant people about parts of the project (getting people to specifically volunteer for different projects would probably get unworkable quickly).

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Emps

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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-19-2002 13:04

emps, my thinking behind the volunteer part is this,

Some people might not want to work on certain projects, or might not have the time at the moment to commit to a given project, so rather than a team leader just emailing who ever and saying hey we doing the ripper report ..oh by the way as ya name is in the pool you got the job og html etc. It will streamline things, i for one dont want to undertake more than one project at a time to start with, so i think that getting people to add their name to the volunteer part isnt such a bad idea, they have said they are interested already you are right, but as i mentioned they may not have the time yet to participate, if we keep it this way it will give the team leader a team that is availiable now to work on the project also how long each persona is availiable, if someone is only availiable for a short time and the project time will exceed that then again it gives the team leader time to plan for such circumstances...maybe volunteer was the wrong word for that heading not sure


Emperor
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posted posted 06-19-2002 13:31

tomeaglecz: Its your call, of course, but I wonder if an opt out rather than an opt in system might be better - you might be sitting around wondering why people haven't volunteered for a project while other people are sitting around thinking that signing up in the general area was sufficient to register their interest.

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Wolfen
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posted posted 06-19-2002 13:34

Volunteered for the Team Rocket... I mean Team Project idea. hehehe



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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-19-2002 13:48

Emps lol it could work both ways ya right, i am trying to figure out an easy way for people to say that they are free to work on a project and then add them to the pool the team leader can choose from for a given project.

OK we will try it this way this time if it works out confusing we will try another way on the next project:

PLEASE NOTE:

All those people who volunteerd for the team project, we will be undertaking the Ripperreport as our First Project (WS ), if you are availiable to work on this please add your name to the individual project team here http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/609 , also in your prefered category eg html graphics coding etc. If there is a shortage of one type and a surplus in others the team leader will assign someone who may have multiple skills to another part of the project; ie ya may not end up in the part ya wanted ( Such is real life )

WS The ball is in your court, lets make this first one a good one as it's inhouse so to speak all the little problems can be ironed out for an venture external to this crazy place

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Emperor
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posted posted 06-19-2002 14:11

tomeaglescz: You can never win so whichever way round you do things someone will get confused (probably me ). Even if people signed themselves up as being available for a project circumstances could change and as this is all on a voluntary basis you'd need to contact people to confirm their availability anyway.

Anyway good to see things are moving forwards

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WebShaman
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posted posted 06-19-2002 14:38

Ok, I'm getting busy...I think I somehow posted a bit incorrect under volunteers...damn fingers...*gotta blame something...oops!*

kaboi
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posted posted 06-19-2002 17:29

I believe all good things have been said about this brilliant idea.
I would love to participate, for the mileage it will give us all as artists and programmers and the good riddance *sp* it would to rippers.




M.I.S.T.A.K.E.S. A.R.E. P.O.R.T.A.L.S. O.F. D.I.S.C.O.V.E.R.Y ---RIGHT?

tomeaglescz
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posted posted 06-19-2002 17:33

kaboi welcome aboard follow the links through the thread and sign ya self up

BeeKay
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posted posted 06-19-2002 20:42

All righty then. I am volunteered in the main project area and in the ripperreport area. Just waiting for the next step ...

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bodhi23
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Greensboro, NC USA
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 06-19-2002 21:16

WS - pardon my ignorance, what is the ripperreport about? I gather from the name, it's to do with preventing ripping of work, but what's the specifics?

I looked under the FAQ, but nothing there just yet...

I'd like to help out, but would like to know what I'd be getting into first to determine 1) if my skills, such as they are, are needed, and 2) if I'll have time to participate...


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WebShaman
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posted posted 06-20-2002 09:56

Yeah, bohdi, I'm getting the information organized...it'll be posted soon.

What is the ripperreport? Well, first of all, it's about information...providing information to others on rippers, and on copyright laws, and providing help to those who need help against rippers.

What it is not - it's not to be used to 'witch-hunt', or to 'police' the net...all rippers will be treated as innocent until proven guilty...i.e. only actual proof of ripping will be considered. No lynch partys, personal vendettas, or in-community stuff.

With enough support, it could become a very good source for information on known rippers, and become a place where people can gather support against a known (or proven) ripper. Also, maybe a way could be developed where artists could protect their graphics...but that is at this time just in the idea phase...I think Ini was working on something along these lines...

More on this later...

tomeaglescz
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Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-20-2002 10:02

Nice one WS, Just a reminder for everyone that signed up for the team project if you have time and want to work on the ripperreport please add you name to the voulunteer list on the ripperreport volunteers list, this is where the team for this project will be selected from,

thx Tom

bodhi23
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Greensboro, NC USA
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 06-20-2002 15:51

Ok, thanks for the clarification WS. That's about what I thought, but I wanted to make sure... I think that by the time all gets organized, I'll be done with my current projects. I believe I'm interested in working on this one if you need me. Let me just jog over to the FAQ and sign up...

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tomeaglescz
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posted posted 06-24-2002 08:54

bump

WebShaman
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posted posted 06-24-2002 14:29

Ok, let's get this thing rolling...

First of all, I have webspaced already reserved for this, so no-one has to go out and do this...unless we decide differently, that is. I will mail every part of the team (or should I just mail you, Tom?) the password and such...the first step, so to speak, so that we have a 'central' area to work in...maybe making a folder where we can start moving this thing? Any suggestions?

Next, the outline (and what the site is, what we need, etc) - we need to start moving on that...it's important IMHO. Lay-out, design, colors, logo, DB, back-end, links, etc.

Then we need a 'central' place where we can 'meet', so to speak...to exchange ideas, brainstorm, bitch, etc. Anyone got a solution for that? Maybe opening a thread here? (would rather not have it in the open, here) Maybe in the Basement? Or one of the Private areas? Ideas, anyone?

Ok, Tom, it's your baby, get us started...let's get the ball rolling!

tomeaglescz
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posted posted 06-24-2002 14:42

ws great stuff, ok if ya can fire an email to me with the specifics that you require as in:

Pages

Front page what ya want there

content pages

do you want a form for people to submit rips to site etc.

a page of rips?

my suggestion would be form based.

also to avoid controversy only confirmed rips etc should be in the public area, those people you want to work with you on the finished site could have access to online info in a secure area about investigations in progress etc.

so there will need to be a login page

its this type of stuff we need now from you so i know who to pass what work onto, think of everything you want and how it will work step by step from someone submitting a potential rip to it being published etc,

its this kind of stuff we need so we can make suggestions or start but we need your ideas,then we can start on building the areas, so fire up a basic outline into the RR section under previous projects and we can then get cracking > )

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WebShaman
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posted posted 06-24-2002 16:14

Ok, I'll get the mail 'sized' up...with all the relavant issues that you raised...and I will send you everything you need to logon to the site - from there, we need to decide a few things...I'll pass on what Emps and I have discussed on this so far...

As I see it now, we'll need a main page, with ways to 'report' rips, information on what we are (and what we are not), a page of known 'violators', like you said, a private area to do investigations, links, and a forum would be essential (IMHO). I don't know if a form page would work, because rips will have to be 'proved' i.e. we need proof, either code, text and/or graphic. That with the first two would work in a form page, but the last one (graphics), I don't think will. That's why we need a forum, with both a 'public' and non-public area (one for people to come to, comment, report rips, etc) and another for the actual investigating...

Also, I have contact with a lawyer who is interested in this...his specialty is media law, which is right up our alley. As this thing gets going, I'm pretty sure he could be a valuable source and...he's free!

As for the Logo...well, I see we have some graphic people on board...I thought that maybe we could have a little 'fun' with that...and have some submissions...and then we could all decide on the 'best' one...or we could go like the GN with a 'revolving' logo, or whatever. In any event, the 'front' page, so to speak, will have to be dynamic...as we are providing information, it is imperitive that we be up-to-date ASAP. This can be done best with a dynamic site (IMHO).

tomeaglescz
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Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-24-2002 16:46

WS Great stuff, best way to approach this is put yourself in the other side, if you were going to do this site what information would you want to get from a client to do his site, then run firm there look forward to seeing ya stuff and i dropped ya an email

Emperor
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posted posted 06-24-2002 17:22

I'd say that the MS forum would be fine for general discussion of these things (and you can use the Site reviews forum for when you want feedback).

I think WS has everything planned out pretty well (and that is great news that you have found a lwayer) - one thing I was thinking of was an information area for authors on tings like copyright, etc. and something to provide people with a plan of action:

e.g. if you think you've been ripped:

1. Take screenshots of all relevant things.

2. Contact the person you think has done the ripping (most things can be sorted out this way).

3. If they refuse to take down the content and you have a good case report it and we'll have a look and if there is a good case to answer we drop them a line (pos. pointing them to the information centre where there should be something on 'fair use' as I suspect a lot of problems stem from people thinking that content is up for grabs).

4. If they are a persistent offender or using ripped content for profit and are still not taking down their content it would be time to write up a report of what they've done and what we've done to ask them to take things down - as we saw with BSS these things can bounce around the Internet causing trouble for quite some time and it is important to have something written down publically presenting the evidence in a clear calm way.

We should probably draw up something similar for when people see potential rips:

1. Take screenshots.

2. Contact the person who has been ripped and leave it up to them to take what action they feel is necessary (pos. starting at point 1 above ).

3. If you aren't sure of the origin of the stolen material drop us a note and we'll try to track it down and contact the person whos stuff it is.

Anyway interesting stuff keep up the good work.

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BeeKay
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posted posted 06-25-2002 02:58

So, ummm, at what point will the team be chosen and assignments handed out? I'm just standing by here awaiting orders ...

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tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-25-2002 09:32

i am just waiting from WebShamen to pass me the final details and i will kick this off so keep an eye out on the team project FAQ

Hey WS We all sat waiting let em roll

WebShaman
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posted posted 06-25-2002 09:58

Ok, I see the natives are getting restless...I will be sending the logon information (for the Ripperreport online) to Tom today...so check your mail, Tom!

And yes, I will be busy with the Faq today...so hold on to your hats! This thing is taking off!

tomeaglescz
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Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-25-2002 10:05

OK the team is posted for the ripper report below
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/616

If anyone isn't happy with their role let me know, and please confirm that you are availiable to work on this thx tom

I've listed the team here so if anyone missed the post here goes and then follow the above link to the home of the project

Coding (Client and server side): WarMage;Maninacan
Graphics: Zox,Bodhi,POI
HTML:Synax/Veneficuz
Site Content:WebShamen,Beekay
Project management:tomeaglescz,emporer


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WebShaman
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posted posted 06-25-2002 10:52

Ok, I've updated the FAQ...it's on! The project has officially started!

Yeeehaw! Let's get this thing up and running...

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together?

tomeaglescz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

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Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-25-2002 11:30

well the moment of truth is here, thanks again to Emps for helping this get off the ground and to everyone that has volunteered

bodhi23
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posted posted 06-25-2002 17:09

Ok, I got the info. Graphics is fine for me, it's what I'm best at. I'll spend some time this weekend (June 29 & 30) doodling some ideas around, and see what I can come up with.

WS, if you (or anyone else for that matter) already have some ideas about the logo, please post 'em so we can take them into consideration.

Tom, are we going continue to use this forum for posting communications back and forth?

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posted posted 06-25-2002 17:13

Good work all round. The fact that first project is moving ahead shouldn't stop people singing themselves up for the next project and/or suggestin ideas for the next one.

It might be a good diea to start a new thread in the MS lab to discuss the actual project and its development.

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tomeaglescz
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posted posted 06-25-2002 17:14

All discussions should go in the link i gave pointing to 616 in the faq for the ripper report lets keep this one for general discussions about the team project

emps the thread you started for previous projects / current projects will be ok for discussions about this for the team members i would think

see here.... http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/616

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bodhi23
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posted posted 06-25-2002 17:20

Gotcha. Didn't scroll down quite far enough. Future posts will go there. Thanx!

WebShaman
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posted posted 06-25-2002 17:26

Ok, but what about the posting of graphics? I think this is what bohdi was getting at, and it is a good question.

Emperor
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posted posted 06-25-2002 17:42

tomeaglescz: My thoughts are that the FAQ isn't really the place for general discussion (we have a perfectly good board for that) but is a place to store more static information - I have noticed that it gets a little bit difficult keeping track of who said what after a few posts and as everyone has the ability to edit everyone else's posts it could get messy quickly. I'd keep the discussion here and then just drop the URL(s) of the discussion into the appropriate node in the FAQ.

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tomeaglescz
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posted posted 06-25-2002 17:47

Emps i have gone ahead and created a general discussion thread in the MS Forum for the project its here

http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum15/HTML/000098.html

Sorry about the initial confuse folks while we iron out the little wrinkly bits

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Emperor
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posted posted 06-25-2002 18:19

tomeaglescz: It'll be a little while yet until we are a well-oiled machine I would suggest we close this thread down as it is getting long and it is a natural place to break things. I'll start a new thread for general discussion on this idea and we can keep the two threads separate.

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