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Arthemis
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posted posted 07-15-2002 02:05

i was just curious on how one solves this

((x-1)/x)^x >= 9/25

it's something i cooked up from a general sucession (1+1/n)^n related problem
i would say the solution lies in the combined use of logaritmization and raditiacion, but from there went in circles

the result should be presented in the form [x,+00[

anyone?

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Arthemis
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posted posted 07-15-2002 02:07

but i am more interested in the method, of course, so it's no use mathcheating. Done that, been there. I got the result but not the method

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Slime
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posted posted 07-15-2002 23:04

Maple returns something with LambertW(x) in it, which it defines as "the function which satisfies LambertW(x) * exp(LambertW(x)) = x". So this is at *least* one semester ahead of me. I've never really dealt with such functions before.

Arthemis
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posted posted 07-16-2002 03:16

maple?

this -> http://www.mappleapps.com &#0124; &#0124; http://www.indiana.edu/~statmath/math/maple/gettingstarted/1.html#1a ?


you recommend it?

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Slime
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posted posted 07-16-2002 04:02

I wouldn't recommend it. I have it because my school gives it to everyone who buys the laptops they provide. It does the trick, and is powerful, but the commands that you have to type are completely unintuitive. It's just... poorly made. For instance, having to use separate commands for everything that can be done in 2D for its 3D equivalent is ridiculous. And the notations it uses aren't standard. Assignments aren't easily made. Functions aren't easy to use. Overall, it sucks. Get a TI-89 or 92. I loved my '89 until I lost it (I suspect it was stolen).

silence
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posted posted 07-16-2002 21:48

Yeah, I loved my Ti-92. I was so bored in physics class that I wrote a hangman program for it. It only had a six word dictionary, but the error checking and the syntax routines weren't too shabby.

Arthemis: Sorry, chum, haven't done Lambert equations for months, and my books are in a box somewhere.

massacre
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posted posted 07-17-2002 19:16

mhm.....slime seems to be the math-man here....good to know....

Slime
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posted posted 07-18-2002 02:12

Well, I've never seen lambert equations. What sort of class would you learn about them in?

Guyo
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posted posted 07-18-2002 02:52

ya, i remember Lamnbert's W function. It's pretty vague, letting some variable equal a part of the function, then solving the equation in relation to that variable. I'm not an expert in it, but ya, it should help ya out with that problem.

Skaarjj
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posted posted 07-18-2002 03:57

any idea on how to acutally do it though?

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Lord_Fukutoku
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posted posted 07-18-2002 04:25

That LambertW function sounds real familiar but it'd been awhile since I've used it, so afriad I'm not a lot of help myself here...

However, might want to check this link out

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silence
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posted posted 07-18-2002 22:51

I think it was either Advanced Calc or Multidimensional/Multivariable Calc. Second or third year stuff.

Slime
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posted posted 07-18-2002 23:03

Sounds like my professor skipped it then =) Or maybe I didn't quite get there yet.

Lord_Fukutoku
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posted posted 07-18-2002 23:54

Yea, I just finished Calc3, Multivariable Calculus, last Spring, which used it some, but not enough to really burn it into my memory. I don't remember it being really emphasized though... Just a kind of side-note in another section.


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