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Karl
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Phoenix
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 08-23-2002 23:20

Hello all,

Is there any true way to hide your HTML source from the people who browse your site?

Karl

Karl www.AZProGolf.com
karl@azprogolf.com

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 08-23-2002 23:35

Karl: Yes but I would rather you didn't - we all learn fromnosing through other people's source and if someone really wanted to lift you site they'd find a way. People rarely do anything so new and original that they would really contemplate this.

If you really need to do this then see here:
www.stickysauce.com/misctools/encrypter.htm

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GRUMBLE
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Omicron Persei 8
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 08-23-2002 23:52

i doubt that this is 100%secure. i think there might be a way to reencrypt that code...

Karl
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Phoenix
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 08-24-2002 00:05

Hey thanks for the tips.. they actually aren't for myself. Someone I know was asking, they would like to hide the tags they use for optimizing their pages for the search engines from competitors who might be interested in the composition of them.

Karl

Karl www.AZProGolf.com
karl@azprogolf.com

Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 08-24-2002 00:37

Impossible. This has been discussed many times before. It is 100% impossible.

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 08-24-2002 00:44

In the end anyone wanting to get at the code of a site will be able to and the only people that are really being put out are people who might want a bit of a peak at the code of the page for ideas.

I would also be cautious about encrypting metatags as I'm not sure if that will interfere with their smooth running. Your friend would be better advised to not waste their time on this kind of thing but on making sure their selection of keywords is right and that they are really promoting their site as much as possible (and looking at customer/vistor satisfaction) as these will make more difference than stopping people getting at one's metatags.

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Karl
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Phoenix
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 08-24-2002 00:52

Hey, thanks again guys. I appreciate the response.

Karl

Karl www.AZProGolf.com
karl@azprogolf.com

mr.maX
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 08-24-2002 09:16

Karl, search engines don't understand JavaScript and therefore if your friend decides to use one of these "encryptions" eventually he won't be listed on search engines anymore, because all those funky characters will just appear as junk to search engines...


Karl
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Phoenix
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 08-25-2002 10:09

What about ASP code... will a search engine spider an ASP page the same it would an HTML page? With that said, is there any preference or order for the following pages (for a spider crawling your site):

index.htm(l)
default.htm(l)
default.asp
home.htm

Karl

Karl www.AZProGolf.com
karl@azprogolf.com

mr.maX
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 08-25-2002 11:10

All web pages appear the same to search engines as they appear in web browser. Indexing process usually begins from the root of web server, therefore, the first page that will be indexed is default page (how that page is called depends on web server itself). Oh, and one more thing, some search engines won't index dynamic pages (i.e. pages that accept parameters through URL), but that's another story...


Hugh
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Dublin, Ireland
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 08-29-2002 01:29

ive seen before a site that when you did "view source" nothing came up, cant remember how it was done it was pretty smart, also I'd go so far as to say there is NO way , if your browser can read it someone else can by sifting though c:\win...\tempor~1
Also with those onrightclick-alert boxes, hit your right button and keep it down press space to ok the alert, release your right button and up pops the menu (usually).
using the browsers View=> Source it can usally be gotten or if theres a link to the page "save Target as".

in the end .. whats to hide ? why bother ? its just a bit of frustration for the guy who likes the way your rollovers work etc.. let them have it !

Hugh
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Dublin, Ireland
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 08-29-2002 01:32

or actually , someguy was annoying me and asking me how I did bla bla bla and wanted to take bla bla , it wasnt a friendly person so I said , just rip it off my site ! My JS code was so messy he gave up after two minutes, that was an old icklepix design.

mr.maX
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 08-29-2002 08:10

There's even an easier way to bypass those stupid no right click scripts, just press context menu button on the keyboard (located right from right windows button). This will work in any script that uses onmousedown event to check if right button was pressed. If the script uses new oncontextmenu event, pressing the key on keyboard won't bypass it...


gaugau
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Osterburken, Germany
Insane since: Aug 2001

posted posted 08-30-2002 16:18

Hiding HTML-code isn't possible, that's sure. But you can makes things more difficult for casual visitors: just add many (say: 100) linebreaks before your code starts, and put some faked error message on top, like <!-- SSI Error Message -- No Source Code available -->
Silly, but does the trick for most visitors (I found this idea on the german site http://www.ideenreich.com/trickkiste/tricks34.shtml )... but why hide the source code? The really tricky things often happen server-sided - no chance for the visitor to see.

GauGau

Trigger
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 08-31-2002 09:45

Just hit enter a load of times at the top fo yoru work bringing it down a page or 2 in notepad. that way when some views your source it will come out as a blank page.. most people wont think to scroll down ... you'd be amased on how many people it works on



Pugzly
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: 127.0.0.1
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 08-31-2002 20:30

I sometimes add

<!-- Plagiarize, plagiarize, yes that's why God made your eyes -->

to the top of my code, then insert a bunch of line breaks. I've actually gotten some emails about that.....

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