Preserved Topic: Comments and whatever else for the IBC!

make your comments here... if you've got any...
keep the other thread free for posting votes.

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FAQs n' Bits: Michael

Well that was fun

3 great entires and which forum do I vote in??

I love the GN picture and so I had to vote in here for it and PSD.it However, I do also love what the Asylum put together and knowing how much harder they had to work (with the downed servers, etc.) they deserve and extra big prize.

Well done everyone - I'm very impressed and it was a difficult choice who to vote for.

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

had to work harder

~eyes pop out of head~

hehe.

Very nicely done Ozone Love the nice slick thick oozing shiny blood. YUM

I just read that we could import a photo.... a tad bit late eh?

Do the artists get to vote? If not... then yay! cuz I dunno who to vote for.

                                     

Yes, you can vote.

GO VOTE!!

1. Did the psd.it people base theirs off a photo?

2. Are you allowed to answer that question?

3. Should I let the answer to that question effect my vote? (It would make me think less of the technical skill involved, though it wouldn't effect my opinion of the artistic merit.)

Well done Asylum Crew. Very nice.




Well done to the PSD.it crew, too. That little mustache under his nose makes it ? Cracked me up .

[This message has been edited by docilebob (edited 11-16-2002).]

okay... i voted... that was hard.

I like PSD's over all, as a piece... it looks finished... it looks really, really well done. I *really* like da stash on a boy... that made me laft. I love things that make me laugh. I liked this image better than that one... the only reason I did not vote for it is because... it did not strike *me* as evil.

but... the Gurus... their piece didnt look quite as finished... as polished... but dang... thats true to the topic... that is evil inside.


                                     

[This message has been edited by eyezaer (edited 11-16-2002).]

Yea I am sorry to say but I like psd.it's better than GN's. GN's was an awesome idea, oh yes yes of course, but honestly it looked more like a cartoon to me. The asylums was much more developed and detailed and so was psd.it's as well (although the mustache looks a tad fake), but GN's was just an unfinished work to me. Still awesome though!

It was a great battle .

[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 11-16-2002).]

I chickened/copped out and voted at the GN so I wouldn't have to make this call. I'm kinda with Izz's werd there but I would lean to the PSD one, it's very evil, and clever as hell too.

no matter, the efforts and outputs are fantastic from everybody. HooRah.

Jason

I still haven't really decided. I think the concepts are equally good (PSD.IT's humorous interpretation is as good as GN's more obvious yet quite strong interpretation), and the execution is also equally good (lots of detail in GN's minus what I consider to be some flaws here and there equals detail in PSD.IT's).

Then again, now that I think about it, I think the technical skill level in GN's is slightly higher. So I guess I'm going to vote for their's.

hahaha.... I was about the suggest that... seeing that you were a reserve for the GN team.

errrmmm... Can i change my vote?

[This message has been edited by eyezaer (edited 11-16-2002).]

IMHO The Asylum team's is so much better than either of them that I'll have to go over to GN just to vote.

you cant *do* that!

He *can* but he needs to have at least 20 previous posts over there first. That defines him as a member of that forum (apparently).

Evil Inside was the theme right? Well even with what's going on today in the world and the so-called axis of evil I don't think the world has seen anyone as evil as that sob. About the only thing missing from that image are the ovens. Everything else is pretty much there. After what he did and tried to do, it is not, very hard to believe (for me at least) that as a kid he play acted out those thoughts...thereby revealing the 'evil inside,' *real* evil inside. Some of you I think missed just exactly who that kid was supposed to be and what he was playing with. Now without me mentioning the name go back and take a very long look at everything going on there, the Doc pointed it out, then think about the theme Evil Inside. Maybe and I say this with no disrespect but maybe it's a generational thing. Without that 'mustache' the image is not much at all. Basically a kid playing with soldiers.
Now take a photo of another kid about the same age put him on that beach, put a turban on his head... a toy plane in each hand and he's crashing them into twin sandcastles. For many of you I've no doubt *that* kid would be the personification of 'evil inside.'
Artistically and technically "our" entries (plural) I thought were waaaay better but it was the 'concept' that PSD played on that I thought won the day.

Now can I go back and be my usual jovial lmao NoJive =)

the idea is to vote where you are a regular.

for some people that is a grey area.

for others it's not

If I may be so bold:

PSD: very clever concept. Rather lacking execution.
Asylum: very refined execution. rather lacking concept.
GN: happy medium - solid concept, solid execution (and we didn't use a photo, and that girl is painted with a mouse )

but all round I'm very pleased with this whole thing, and I don't care who wins. All 3 entries have there merits, which was my only hope.

Congratualtions to all the teams invloved.

I thought the date on the pic was a great touch.

Dl-44 once again... Right on. hehehe.

Sure, congrats to all of us (the 3 forums)

The pieces? firt I was shocked by that kid with his little soldiers and all the concept behind it, but that little girl with her green-sad eyes catch me, if it wasn't for that mirror showing her lack of innocence....
The Asylum is a great artistic piece, but as DL said, wicker concept than other.

If I had to make a 3 cathegory vote, I will vote like DL.

But congratulations to all of the participants!




Wakkos
follow the white rabbit

As much as I like the PSD-submission, it's something.. I dunno.. simplistic over it. Although the tin-soldier setup is very good, I feel that the "Hilter as a child" is a bit redundant. To me that diminishes the piece and gives it kind of a Gary Larson/Monty Python sprinkle.

The GN piece with it's more painted look is more appealing to me. Probably cause it resembles my own style
(got a painting similar to that, and also the pong between mbridge and me ended up on that note...)
I get a Wednesday-feeling about that girl... and that is a plus in my book.

All imho of course



[This message has been edited by Nimraw (edited 11-17-2002).]

Well if we are doing IMHOs:

Asylum: Great worked and I loved it as a picture but it didn't really say 'evil inside' to me - he looked pretty evil on the outside (if it had been a normal looking guy with that hand ripping through his skin......). Anyway loved it.

PSD: I thought this was OK but things like the moustache spoilt it for me (as did the over elaborate fence) - I would have been happier if it has been left more open - is it Hitler or is it Stalin or even Mussolini (or Churchhill or........).

GN: I am biased as I was able to watch (and comment on) the progress and I think it is great. I'm not sure about the comments about it being unfinished (or at least having that look) - it was finished with time to spare. Granted given more time I'm sure the team would have been tweaking it until the cows came home but it might have become less subtle.

Anyway everyone did well and special thanks to Michael for organising the Asylum and GN teams as the amount of effort that went into both entries did require as much time as possible.

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FAQs: Emperor

If anyone is interested DL has made the GN planning and teamwork thread visible with various preliminary ideas and sketches - its a nice example of the process (as far as I'm aware virtually all the planning, discussion, etc. was done in that thread):
http://development.gurusnetwork.com/discussion/thread/1650/

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Pictures of a young hitler:

Baby: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/uah/uah6b.jpg

Youngster: http://library.thinkquest.org/19092/media/younghit.jpg

On the front line in WWI: http://smoter.com/images/AtTheFront.jpg

Odeon Sqaure, Munich, 1914: http://vho.org/~granata/Young-Hitler.gif

Urm: http://www.russgranata.com/Young-Hitler.html

Little early years bit: http://library.thinkquest.org/19092/hbio.html

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

I was just thinking about this how the voting is conducted Asylum people can't vote for Asylum people .. GN can't vote for GN .. PSD can't vote for PSD .. so I'm roaming through each three sites

Asylum was voted for 15 times at GN and 22 times at PSD (37 total potential first place votes)
GN was voted for 22 times at PSD and 66 times at Asylum (88 total potential first place votes)
PSD was voted for 15 times at the GN and 66 times at the Asylum (81 total potential first place votes)

in some respect I think the voting isn't equal and showing who really was the better site in the challenge .. because of the number of votes between sites .. as it is the Asylum is the more popular site of the three involved .. whether Asylum's entry sucked or not it's hard to have an equal chance of winning the fun contest if the total potential first place votes is far below that of the other two involved

I would suggest another voting system be implemented .. I mean we are all artists here .. yes? no? .. I would hope people would vote for which painting is best not be loyal to there site .. hmmmmmm .. instead of the sites adding their signature to the work on intial vote the signature is left off and we have the choice to vote for all three .. ie .. entry #1 ... entry #2 .. entry #3 .. and only the people that put this together know who's is who's(and of course they can't vote) .. this way everyone has equal votes .. and once the voting period is over the winner is revealed as is which site painting it was

did that make sense?


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mmm... how do you consider all of those "first place votes"... ..... that doesn't really make sense.

or am i confused?

edit: ... ahh... i see what you're gettin' at.


FAQs n' Bits: Michael

no no .. it's potential first place votes .. not say they are all first place votes .. but the Asylums work was only voted a total of 37 times .. 15 at the GN and 22 at PSD .. comparing this to 66 votes placed at the Asylum(where people couldn't vote for the Asylum's entry since they frequent here) .. let's just assume the Asylum recieved all first place votes they would have 111 points .. now taking away the other votes from the other sties .. say the GN and the PSD split votes here for first place that would be 33 votes each for first place that 99 points .. you see what I'm getting at .. the other sites have more votes for their work respected work .. but I think each site should have equal votes .. meaning each site should be voted on equally .. if 100 people vote each site should have 100 votes .. that understandable .. hmmmm .. I don't think I'm making my point clear

edit: things all cleared up now .. now that I know how the process is done


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[This message has been edited by RammStein (edited 11-20-2002).]

Yes, but regardless how many people vote for it, it still only gets the 5 points for getting 1st place in any given forum.

So....number of people voting has been more or less disregarded.

It was, of course, designed with the intent of having more than 3 entries

But it still works.

If it is ever to be done again we need to change atleast one rule....

If a photograph is used, the original photograph must be posted Also, if references are used for paintings they should be posted.

I would like to do this again... but with more forums. I dunt think i would do it again with only 2 others... but yah... this was the first, and i think it went as well as could be expected.

                                     

[This message has been edited by eyezaer (edited 11-20-2002).]

Vote counting should work like this:

votes for each image are divided by the number of people who voted in the forum they were in.

That way, each forum has the same amount of *weight*, regardless of how many members it has. If 49% of the people in one forum voted for an image, then those votes aren't just lost by saying "this other image had the highest score in this forum, so that forum's vote goes to it."

Aha...I thought it said IRC...Silly me (My Fav. chat program)...

I agree with some of the poeple here, PSD's didn't seem as creepy as GN's

2 rule changes I would make -

3 people per team. 5 was just too many, and it made things a little rough.

All teams must be declared at the time the challenge is accepted.

Thank to all your positive comments about our work ...

For whom asked, this is our starting image: http://www.psd.it/forum/download.php?id=234

About the score: It was designed for more than 3 entries, but it still work. From any forum a winner will jump out. Each winner score 5 point. More point = victory. If we'll have three people with the same score, we will count the percentual as someone suggested.
Since now the winner seems GN because GN vs OZ is voted for the 90.9% of the votes, and GN vs PSD is voted for the 64.3%. So GN scores 10 points, OZ scores 5 (61.5% vs PSD) and PSD scores 0 points (sigh! sob!).

About the rules: What we posted can be changed according to new improvements of the challenges.

Very interesting to see the Photo - thanks Sauro.

Anyone interested can see the sketch used in our piece over at the GN in the IBC section.

That kid on the right looks like he's been cut out and placed in that scene.

^