Preserved Topic: The Grail - New Asylum *Public Beta*

Ladies and Gentelmen, dear inmates of unspecified gender,

I am pleased to announce the 'Grail aka the New Asylum - Open Beta'!

Over a year we've laboured now, and tonight y'all shall be able to have a look, a sneak peak, so to speak, at those fruits of many sleepless hours.

The Doc asked me, and I coded and recruited and steered those I had recruited into the, hopefully, right direction.

Thank you, kuckus, mahjqa, skaarjj. (Alpha Numeric Wor(l)d Order!)

Please, hop over to the grail's beta at http://grail.coonabibba.de .

To misquote a famous inmate:
"Fiddle. Play. Learn. Tell us about the bugs you find, the features you love, the things you hate and the goodness you're still missing."

There are some major changes, compared to the asylum. Have a look at the new features.

I've imported the old Asylum this morning - your logins and everything should be working just like they do here.

Please have a look at the current todo list.
Some things we know about and they'll be handled before the grail replaces the Asylum.

There is no timeframe yet for the migration of all the asylum. It depends on how well the beta goes. Be assured, nearly all the old links will stay intact.

There's a faq page at the grail, called grail for you to post and read about the grail.

So long
Tyberius Prime


PS: I know that every single occurance of 'li' was imported as [ *] (without the space) - sorry. The import takes about half a day, and it'll be redone eventually.

PPs: I'm out of the house for a few hours. Start nagging already

PPPs: I'm certain I forgot something...

Edit: fighting ubb code...

[This message has been edited by Tyberius Prime (edited 11-30-2003).]

Superb work Mr. Prime

Big thanks to all who helped too esp. those mention in TP's post who put a lot of effort in on various aspects

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The Emperor dot org

Wow... just wow!

Awesome work guys! Just fiddled with it for a minute or two so far, but it's great!!!

right on!!
i would just like to say a big fat THANK YOU to you guys for all your hard work!!

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Fantastic work, And a big "Well Done" and "Thank You" to all involved.

Looks really nice. There could be some improvements to the markup in some places though.

Good work

BTW, about the code being smaller in Firebird (http://grail.coonabibba.de/19059) - the default size for monospaced fonts in Firebird is 13px.



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[This message has been edited by HZR (edited 11-30-2003).]

Not bad. I'm happy to see a doctype, and sad to see lots of extraneous tables, but the forum itself looks pretty good. I'm sure I'll have a lot of nitpicky things to solve during the beta. =) Where do we submit bugs/feature requests?

Tyberius Prime: Congrats for the Grail!

I like the new icons, but I couldn't find their explanation. In the actual Asylum, the and are explained at the bottom. If that feature ( of showing the active threads ) remains it'd helpful to put a legend.

The new Post Reply pannel is REALLY cool. Putting it directly at the bottom of a thread speeds up the flow. The COPY, PASTE, and + are really cool. Hum... will there be a - button to decrease the size of the textarea for the users who went crazy on the + ? Anyway, I could still use my favelet for that purpose.

I've looked an archived page ( http://grail.coonabibba.de/16411 ) and apparently the linkword is set to TRUE by default which creates some links in the code posted by Petskull. Ok he didn't nest his code in the appropriate UBB tags so I don't know if the linkwords are ignored there.

BTW, is it possible to keep the \n ( by replacing the \n by <br />\n ) in the UBB [ code ]..[ /code ] tags to make the content copy/pastable ? 10.000.000 thanks in advance.

[EDIT]

The [ sigrotate ]...[ /sigrotate ] is a great idea.

[/EDIT]

Again, congratulations to all the people involved in the Holy Grail.

Mathieu "POÏ" HENRI

[This message has been edited by poi (edited 11-30-2003).]

finally here, again, awesome work TP!

Looks great, I love the insert UBB code option most helpful.

J. Stuart J.

Thanks for the kind words all - things have come a long way during the last months =)


HZR & Slime -

I know the markup isn't as perfect as it could be yet, but we wanted to get the beta started this year and real life kept me from getting the last changes done... it will all happen eventually.

Please add any bugs / solutions / ideas / feature requests below this FAQ page:
http://grail.coonabibba.de/19059

or start a new thread in the Grail's local OZONE if you find that more comfortable.


poi -

The pills act exacty as the dots and folders here - red means new posts, yellow none since your last visit.
I wonder how you all could keep yourselves from posting at least one testing thread over there up to now...

We decided not to have a [-] button as the size is automatically resetted when you refresh the page... though nothing of that is set in stone yet.


kuckus

[This message has been edited by kuckus (edited 11-30-2003).]

kuckus: Thank you for your insight. I had only seen the everywhere so far. Now I've seen the others, and I must say ... WOW!

For the - button, I asked that for the authors of monster posts or of pieces of code. That button wouldn't take many space, but it's not a must have all the more that a favelet ( can ) do the trick.

To test, I've only played with the Post Reply, and edited one of my post. I didn't wanted to polute the brand new Holy Grail with some rusty Test threads

Mathieu "POÏ" HENRI

I think that you guys' have better eyes than me...

Any suggestions on how to fix this?


"I make and I sell soap."

cfb - go to edit (i think) and then to font size. Set it to medium

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Uhmm, I don't know.
Since the colors haven't changed a bit, I'm not really seeing it as new.
It looks just like the same for me.
But I'm a dull guy anyway.

Just curious, is the name the Grail official or is that what we're calling the beta?

CFB: This works in IE, but I don't know about anywhere else...but give it a try.

Hold down CTRL and scroll your mouse wheel towards you

So what's gonna happen now? Are you closing this old one?

Anyway, I like the layout.

Very nice and good work!

Sasha »

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CFB: This works in IE, but I don't know about anywhere else...but give it a try.

Hold down CTRL and scroll your mouse wheel towards you

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Thanks, that worked.

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Freedom is Slavery,
Ignorance is Strength.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

well, thanks for all the kind words :-).

I shall now go and read the bug reports ;-).

As for 'grail' - it was the name the Doc suggested for the project... and I guess we'll just keep calling the software that.

Markup - we're workin on it, just like on everything else. If you got specific ideas in mind, be sure to post them!.

Yannah: Yeah, sooner or later the asylum will be run by the new software. But that'll probably take another couple of months or so. Lot's of details to straighten out.

so long,
TP

For every beta, there is a first bug, and I am the finder of that first bug. This just appeared near the bottom of the screen, between the Holding Pens and the Faq Page:

Array ( [p] => Array ( ) [d] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [0] => 0 [1] => s ) [1] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [2] => Array ( [0] => 2 [1] => s ) [3] => Array ( [0] => 3 [1] => s ) [4] => Array ( [0] => 4 [1] => s ) [5] => Array ( [0] => 5 [1] => s ) [6] => Array ( [0] => 6 [1] => s ) [7] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [8] => Array ( [0] => 8 [1] => s ) [9] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [10] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => Voting is a really important feature. ) [11] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => It allows us to see which areas aren't good and need improvement, ) [12] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => so just take a second and vote if you liked or disliked something. ) [13] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [14] => Array ( [0] => 10 [1] => s ) [15] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [16] => Array ( [0] => 12 [1] => s ) [17] => Array ( [0] => 13 [1] => s ) [18] => Array ( [0] => 14 [1] => s ) [19] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [20] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [21] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [22] => Array ( [0] => 18 [1] => s ) [23] => Array ( [0] => 19 [1] => s ) [24] => Array ( [0] => 20 [1] => s ) [25] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [26] => Array ( [0] => 22 [1] => s ) [27] => Array ( [0] => 23 [1] => s ) [28] => Array ( [0] => 24 [1] => s ) [29] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [30] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [31] => Array ( [0] => 27 [1] => s ) [32] => Array ( [0] => 28 [1] => + ) [33] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ___________________ ) [34] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => Emperor: ) [35] => Array ( [0] => 26 [1] => s ) [36] => Array ( [0] => 30 [1] => + ) [37] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [38] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => _______________________________________________________________________________ ) [39] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by: Tyberius Prime on Sun 19-May-2002) ) [40] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [41] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by: Emperor on Tue 21-May-2002) ) [42] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [43] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by: Tyberius Prime on Tue 06-Aug-2002) ) [44] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [45] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by: Emperor on Tue 06-Aug-2002) ) [46] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [47] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by: Tyberius Prime on Wed 07-Aug-2002) ) [48] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [49] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by: Emperor on Mon 24-Feb-2003) ) [50] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [51] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by: Rick on Mon 31-Mar-2003) ) [52] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [53] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by: Rinswind 2th on Sat 19-Apr-2003) ) [54] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [55] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by: Raptor on Thu 05-Jun-2003) ) ) ) Welcome to the OzoneAsylum FaqWiki - 11-30-2003 19:51 Tyberius Prime
Array ( [p] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [0] => 4215 [1] => Welcome to the OzoneAsylum FaqWiki ) [1] => Array ( [0] => 4235 [1] => The Wiki ) [2] => Array ( [0] => 19059 [1] => The Grail ) ) [d] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [0] => 0 [1] => s ) [1] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => s ) [2] => Array ( [0] => 2 [1] => s ) [3] => Array ( [0] => 3 [1] => s ) [4] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [5] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => ) [6] => Array ( [0] => 4 [1] => s ) [7] => Array ( [0] => 5 [1] => s ) [8] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [9] => Array ( [0] => 7 [1] => s ) [10] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [11] => Array ( [0] => 9 [1] => s ) [12] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [13] => Array ( [0] => 11 [1] => s ) [14] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [15] => Array ( [0] => 13 [1] => s ) [16] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [17] => Array ( [0] => 15 [1] => s ) [18] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [19] => Array ( [0] => 17 [1] => s ) [20] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [21] => Array ( [0] => 19 [1] => s ) [22] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [23] => Array ( [0] => 21 [1] => s ) [24] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [25] => Array ( [0] => 23 [1] => s ) [26] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [27] => Array ( [0] => 25 [1] => s ) [28] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [29] => Array ( [0] => 27 [1] => s ) [30] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [31] => Array ( [0] => 29 [1] => s ) [32] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [33] => Array ( [0] => 31 [1] => s ) [34] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [35] => Array ( [0] => 33 [1] => s ) [36] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [37] => Array ( [0] => 35 [1] => s ) [38] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [39] => Array ( [0] => 37 [1] => s ) [40] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [41] => Array ( [0] => 39 [1] => s ) [42] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => * "Copy Post to Clipboard Before Submitting" option. ) [43] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [44] => Array ( [0] => 41 [1] => + ) [45] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [46] => Array ( [0] => 43 [1] => s ) [47] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [48] => Array ( [0] => 45 [1] => s ) [49] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => + ) [50] => Array ( [0] => 47 [1] => s ) [51] => Array ( [0] => 48 [1] => s ) [52] => Array ( [0] => 49 [1] => s ) [53] => Array ( [0] => 50 [1] => + ) [54] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by Tyberius Prime on 11-30-2003 19:57) ) ) ) Cool New Grail (new Features) The Grail 11-30-2003 19:58 Tyberius Prime
Feature Requests - 12-01-2003 10:50 Tyberius Prime
Array ( [p] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [0] => 4215 [1] => Welcome to the OzoneAsylum FaqWiki ) [1] => Array ( [0] => 4235 [1] => The Wiki ) [2] => Array ( [0] => 19059 [1] => The Grail ) ) [d] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [0] => 0 [1] => s ) [1] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [2] => Array ( [0] => 2 [1] => s ) [3] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [4] => Array ( [0] => 10 [1] => s ) [5] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [6] => Array ( [0] => 6 [1] => s ) [7] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [8] => Array ( [0] => 8 [1] => s ) [9] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [10] => Array ( [0] => 10 [1] => s ) [11] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [12] => Array ( [0] => 12 [1] => s ) [13] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [14] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by poi on 11-30-2003 22:46) ) [15] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [16] => Array ( [0] => 15 [1] => + ) [17] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by cyoung on 11-30-2003 22:54) ) [18] => Array ( [0] => 18 [1] => s ) [19] => Array ( [0] => 17 [1] => + ) [20] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => - [2] => (Edited by username on 11-30-2003 23:10) ) [21] => Array ( [0] => 18 [1] => + ) [22] => Array ( [0] => 19 [1] => + ) ) ) Bug Reports The Grail 12-01-2003 10:47 kuckus
Array ( [p] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [0] => 4215 [1] => Welcome to the OzoneAsylum FaqWiki ) [1] => Array ( [0] => 4235 [1] => The Wiki ) [2] => Array ( [0] => 19059 [1] => The Grail ) ) [d] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [0] => 0 [1] => s ) [1] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [2] => Array ( [0] => 2 [1] => s ) [3] => Array ( [0] => 3 [1] => s ) [4] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [5] => Array ( [0] => 5 [1] => s ) [6] => Array ( [0] => 6 [1] => s ) [7] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [8] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [9] => Array ( [0] => 9 [1] => s ) [10] => Array ( [0] => 10 [1] => s ) [11] => Array ( [0] => 39 [1] => s ) [12] => Array ( [0] => 12 [1] => s ) [13] => Array ( [0] => 13 [1] => s ) [14] => Array ( [0] => 64 [1] => s ) [15] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [16] => Array ( [0] => 16 [1] => s ) [17] => Array ( [0] => 39 [1] => s ) [18] => Array ( [0] => 18 [1] => s ) [19] => Array ( [0] => 19 [1] => s ) [20] => Array ( [0] => 20 [1] => s ) [21] => Array ( [0] => 21 [1] => s ) [22] => Array ( [0] => 22 [1] => + ) [23] => Array ( [0] => 64 [1] => s ) [24] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [25] => Array ( [0] => 25 [1] => s ) [26] => Array ( [0] => 39 [1] => s ) [27] => Array ( [0] => 27 [1] => s ) [28] => Array ( [0] => 28 [1] => s ) [29] => Array ( [0] => 29 [1] => s ) [30] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [31] => Array ( [0] => 31 [1] => s ) [32] => Array ( [0] => 32 [1] => s ) [33] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [34] => Array ( [0] => 34 [1] => s ) [35] => Array ( [0] => 35 [1] => s ) [36] => Array ( [0] => 36 [1] => s ) [37] => Array ( [0] => 64 [1] => s ) [38] => Array ( [0] => 38 [1] => s ) [39] => Array ( [0] => 39 [1] => s ) [40] => Array ( [0] => 40 [1] => s ) [41] => Array ( [0] => 41 [1] => s ) [42] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [43] => Array ( [0] => 43 [1] => s ) [44] => Array ( [0] => 44 [1] => s ) [45] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [46] => Array ( [0] => 46 [1] => s ) [47] => Array ( [0] => 47 [1] => s ) [48] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [49] => Array ( [0] => 49 [1] => s ) [50] => Array ( [0] => 50 [1] => s ) [51] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [52] => Array ( [0] => 52 [1] => s ) [53] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [54] => Array ( [0] => 54 [1] => s ) [55] => Array ( [0] => 55 [1] => s ) [56] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [57] => Array ( [0] => 57 [1] => s ) [58] => Array ( [0] => 58 [1] => s ) [59] => Array ( [0] => 59 [1] => s ) [60] => Array ( [0] => 60 [1] => s ) [61] => Array ( [0] => 61 [1] => s ) [62] => Array ( [0] => 62 [1] => s ) [63] => Array ( [0] => 63 [1] => s ) [64] => Array ( [0] => 64 [1] => s ) [65] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [66] => Array ( [0] => 66 [1] => s ) [67] => Array ( [0] => 69 [1] => s ) [68] => Array ( [0] => -1 [1] => s [2] => (Edited by Tyberius Prime on 12-01-2003 10:53) ) [69] => Array ( [0] => 71 [1] => s ) [70] => Array ( [0] => 70 [1] => s ) [71] => Array ( [0] => 71 [1] => + ) [72] => Array ( [0] => 72 [1] => + ) ) )

Cheers. Love what it's becoming.



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[This message has been edited by Rameses Niblik the Third (edited 12-01-2003).]

now a man can't even fix bugs by turning on debugging output in his lunch our anymore, without someone complaining about it ;-) - that message is gone now, and was only up for about 2 minutes -

Tyberius Prime: Seems like I'm not the only one addicted to var_dump() and print_r

Mathieu "POÏ" HENRI

Hmm... I must have just missed you on Q, TP. Anywho, I posted two threads in bug reports... I left the links for you on Q. Let me know if there's anything else you want me to look at.


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Great work TP and everyone else involved

Been fiddeling some with it and it looks fantastic!

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*TP, Kuckus, Mahjqa and Skaarjj take a bow*

One suggestion for the UBB code: The codes for quote and code could be shortened down to [ q] and [ c] respectively in my opinion, at least as an alternative.

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Markup - we're workin on it, just like on everything else. If you got specific ideas in mind, be sure to post them!.

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I don't know ow much you care about semantics and stuff. Maybe it's not really that important on a forum but here are some things I saw with just a quick look:

• No <code> tag for code.
• "quote:" is inside the blockquote tag. <hr> tags should be replaced by borders I think.
• id="floatr", id="footer_center", etc.

But as I said, those things probably doesn't matter really much in this case.

I'll post more if I find any.

well, excuse me if I'm a bit dum, but there is only one footer that is in the center, what's wrong with giving it such an id?

As for the other suggestions, we'll look into them.
Thank you.

TP, an ID should be descriptive, and not reflect the style of the element, but those are minor things and not something that should be focused on.

PS. forgot to say that the RSS feed rules



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# No <code> tag for code.
# "quote:" is inside the blockquote tag. <hr> tags should be replaced by borders I think.

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Both good ideas, esp. as the current styles don't seem to work quite the same in all browsers for whatever reasons anyway.

I don't feel that [q] and [c] tags are really necessary - it's easy enough to press ALT+Q / ALT+C if you're in a hurry

or shift-esc-letter if you're using opera...

Oh, didn't know about the shorcuts. Doesn't seem to work at the moment though.

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shift-esc-letter

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How convenient


HZR -
Oh I hadn't noticed that, strange - they only seem to work when the UBB code panel is expanded. Weird.

Good to have beta testers =)

[This message has been edited by kuckus (edited 12-01-2003).]

Wow, this has certainly come a long way since I was peeking at it several months back. Nice work all round.

Congratulations all, on a job well done!! All hail the new Grail!!! After nearly two years of lurking, what better way to celebrate than taking up a brand new cell in a brand new Jail, er Grail!

My 2 cents; love the old drop down menu, but ohh well; new cell.....new life out of those comforting shadows....might as well learn some new habits.

Anyway, not to hijack this thread; new thread coming up.... fingers crossed.

Since we are talking so much about the grail we could fill in this Monthy-python-holy-grail-personality-test

I got this:

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You are King Arthur of the Britons! You like to hear yourself talk a lot, namely about some damn grail. Those closest to you are just there to serve you and bang your coconuts together. For some reason Mystical beings come to you and set you out on quests. If only more people understood you, perhaps you'd get that grail afterall.

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[This message has been edited by Rinswind 2th (edited 12-02-2003).]

Sometimes in both, this one and especially in beta I see alot of this green lines surounding borders. They usually go vertically and horizontal lines are like RBG slashes...why does that happen?

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and bang your coconuts together.

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That keeps reminding me of that Friends episode with Winona Ryder, where Rachel kissed Melissa, for some unknown reason

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"For some unknown reason"... yeah, right.


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ruski: no idea, maybe you could post or send me a screen shot?

I'm away for two weeks, and I miss this. Eesh.

Good work, all of you, and I look forward to playing around in the Grail!

hello .. long time, etc ..

Tyberius.. the functionallity around UBB code and textarea dimensions when posting is brilliant.

I was first diappointed to see that the new asylum was just to be a "reengineering" project, not a "redesign" project (I love *this* design, but surely a new site should LOOK new!?) BUT THEN I played with the functionality - a great improvement - and perhaps most efficient/useful I've ever used: I usually [read: always] struggle with UBB code (and its cousins) and its great to see you've scripted it into the page so cleanly and minimalistically (sp?) .

Loving your work :-)

Pete [<i>]sonicsnail[</i>] ;-)


I lost my sig to "The evil gods of lost hosting and no backups" but I might find it one day

You've hit the nail right on there head the sonic. A new site should look now, but this isn't a new site. This is simply a recode and update of this existing site. This is the design and colour scheme the asylum's always been and for the forseeable future this is how it will stay. All we did was to take this design and put a new backend behind it and add some new functionality. This design isn't ours, so we can't go messing with it as we please.

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ruski: got your mail - that is freaky. I'll see if I can think of a solution.