Preserved Topic: Bush in 30 seconds

Anyone up for some well polished propaganda?
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/

It'd be great if it could open some eyes and minds.
And at least, it shows some well done/directed ads and will bring a necessary counter power in the media coverage of the forthcoming election.

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Some of those ads are nicely done. Interesting contest



Amerasu

Some nice work in there... Good job applying their spin. But...

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...is just about right.

I hear that spin is counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere.

In regards to;

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Is that a reference to Bush, the commercials, or the site?

Or, is to indicate that Having M. Moore as a judge will keep the winning commercial somewhere left of reality, in a toilet?

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Bleah...

Yes

I quite liked the content myself. "Imagine" was my fave. I can't wait to see the back of Bush and this administration.

Amerasu

Just a question from someone who doesn't follow politics very closly.

Would the content of those ads be mostly true or mostly false?

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... hah!

Some of them are done really well...

Sound like jokes to me though.

tj333, honestly it really comes down to who you choose to believe. I will tell you that most of what you get on those ads is gross exagerration bording on outright falsehoods... but do you trust my word on that? Or do you trust someone else here who will tell you the exact opposite of what I just said? Please use this as an example of why it is so important that *you* be informed about the issues politics seeks to solve. Take in a wide variety of news sources and formulate your own opinions about the veracity of the crap you see on that site... um... did I say crap?

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Bugimus: Since I'm the only one who approved the content of these ads, I guess I'm the "someone else" you didn't name.

Let me precise that I "partially" approve the content. I say that 'coz there's some facts ( mainly the financial and social situation in the USA ) on which I have really little knowledge. Nonetheless there's several points that can not be ignored i.e. the lies around the war in Iraq, the patriot-act, the US withdraw from ABM treaty, the rejection of the Kyoto Treaty by the USA

Bugs: Could you be more specific about the crap? An awful lot of the information there has come up here:
http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum17/HTML/000998.html



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You know how it works, politics is a game. Take any particular event and I'll spin it to the right and you will spin it to the left, generally speaking. Obviously, there are topics where we will agree, but as a general rule it's about viewing issues from different sets of guidelines.

Emps, but so much of what is posted in the "Taking Liberties" thread is very biased. You quote regularly from a Left wing newspaper. (which is fine by me as long as we're clear on the biases involved) I don't post as much but when I do it is from publications that spin the other direction. For just about every point you bring up about how Bush is a creep, I can make a case for him being a great aleader. I know it makes a lot of people sick to hear that but you don't know how often I have to hurl when I hear the scathing attacks on a good man.

Look, the only attack that has any merit is probably the environment. The administration clearly doesn't buy into the environmentalist agenda. But the economy is getting stronger by the day, the war on terror is going far better than I had anticipated, the tax cuts have helped ease the tax burden on *everyone* who pays taxes in this country, Bush is spending far *more* than he should on education, and the president's approval rating is still rather positive. This is a far cry different from the synopsis you'll find on the "Why We're Doing This" page.

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Just a question from someone who doesn't follow politics very closly.

Would the content of those ads be mostly true or mostly false?

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The two sites below take a look at Bush from two perspectives, left and right for want of better terms. I came across them last night on Snopes.

Left http://idontfeelsogood.blogspot.com/2003_08_01_idontfeelsogood_archive.html
Right: http://www.crossbearer.com/resume/The_Truth.pdf

I'd say yes, the content of the ads is basically true with the usual amount of campaign flourish and vitriol thrown in (which the republicans also do). I'm on the left of the political spectrum so to me, moveon.org are promoting the good way

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Amerasu

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Bugs: I think your bloody nuts!! You put your US economy over our god/nature given envioroment?.. and war as a solution to anything.. What would your god say about that I wonder? I have never met a Christian like you befor.



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Don't mix religion with politics.

"Nothin' like a pro-stabbin' from a pro." -Weadah

Bugs: As usual you are correct - a lot of the information (esp. on the war and the motivation of various policies) could be taken various ways - I am curious to know how you feel about the trillions of dollars of debt being built up and the poor state of the dollar?

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What.. are you telling me that god has nothing to do with mans affairs and should stand aside when world changing events are dicussed? Don't mix religon with politics? So is politics life without god? Is that what you are saying? Like god must shuttup while you busily go about messing the planet up? I actually agree that politic and religon should not mix.. cos maybe politics should not exist at all..

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Main Entry: pol·i·tics
Pronunciation: 'pä-l&-"tiks
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
Etymology: Greek politika, from neuter plural of politikos political
Date: circa 1529
1 a : the art or science of government b : the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy c : the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government
2 : political actions, practices, or policies
3 a : political affairs or business; especially : competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government) b : political life especially as a principal activity or profession c : political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices
4 : the political opinions or sympathies of a person
5 a : the total complex of relations between people living in society b : relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as seen or dealt with from a political point of view <office politics>

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Yes your right... light and dark should not be mixed...

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What.. are you telling me that god has nothing to do with mans affairs and should stand aside when world changing events are dicussed? Don't mix religon with politics? So is politics life without god? Is that what you are saying? Like god must shuttup while you busily go about messing the planet up? I actually agree that politic and religon should not mix.. cos maybe politics should not exist at all..

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Not everyone believes in gods. I certainly don't and I'd rather not see religion and politics mixed at all. If you want to worship, then go right ahead, just don't inject your religion(s) into the governing of a diverse group of people.

Amerasu

methinks this thread should be moved to the Silliness forum.



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Ok then.. ..this has nothing to do with religeon..

US has only 5% of the worlds population but cause over a quarter of the worlds global warming emissions and pollutants and show no intention of slowing down. At this rate scientists say that 1,000,000 species of animals and other life forms will be wiped out from this planet in the next 20 years. Great dam policies you have there. But hey as long as the US population have cash in their pockets and food in their already over fat bellies and fat cars in their driveways it's all good.

There is something seriously wrong with a people that allow this to happen, and don't tell me that it will be changed by voting and intellectual debate and civilised discussion and democratic crap.. as that's been going on for ever and never changed a single thing... Many think religious people are blind.. but I this kind political thinking is the grossest form of self deception there is.



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This is about the answer that I somewhat expected then.

It is as true/bad as who you ask and how you look at it.

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I guess my problem with this, is Michael Moore as one of the Judges. His Documentaries are actually Docudramas. They are NOT objective. The way he edits things are misleading at best, and downright lies at worst. I can only guess as to the leanings of the other judges, but I can guarantee that they are not very close to centered.

The legitimacy of any position is challenged by polarization. When taken to the extreme left or right, neither has any chance of showing us what is real. Bush is not a Saint, and neither is he a Demon. However, demonizing him will not make the opposing candidates any better. It will be another choice of 'the lesser of two evils'.

Although, adding M. Moore's slanted demonilogistic© rantings will alienate many centric voters. I imagine that anyone he supports will be hindered by such an association. I wonder if he may just be working for the 'Bush People'. By being such a whiney, self righteous twit, he makes whatever he says suspect. Many people will believe that if Mickey Moore is saying it, it cant be all true...


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Politics: the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government
Religion: the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a populace

I can't make out the light for the dark.


Psst!

I agree that Michael Moore is a bit tainted but I'm not entirely sure it's all merited. I've read the paper by David Harley critiquing Bowling for Columbine and I've also read the counter argument here. I think they both make valid points.

I haven't read his books.


Amerasu

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Agreed.

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