Preserved Topic: Need opinions :)

Okay made a few more, and i think im getting better. But I still need opinions and remarks so I can truely get better.<P>1) My current pride and joy and my signature for message baords.
<IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/xsig.jpg"> <P>2) One I did for my freind who this he is all the sudden the Glaidator.
<IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/trans.jpg"> <P>All comments are appricated even if they tell me my work is trash. But from what I posted before I feel at least Im getting better can we agree on that?<P>Thanks<P> <IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/xsig.jpg">

My biggest advice: make 'em smaller.
Also, narrow your focus; emphasize one aspect or area. Play more on subtle effects, with some defining contrast (negative space is OK!).<P>This has been another episode of "My 2 Cents" with your host, DL-44

Smaller....... wait wait let me guess your in 800 x 600 pixle screen area arnt you? Sorry all my work is intended to be viewed through a 1024 x 768 pixel screen area. And if you are in 1024 x 768 and u still say smaller... why?!?!<P> <IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/xsig.jpg">

We say smaller for various reasons.
For the sig file, smaller is better, as it does not distract from other peoples postings, and it does not take as long to download. Think about it, if a thread gets to be long, and we are all waiting for huge sigs to download, this board will become deserted. We've been spoiled by instant gratification. <P>The reason we say smaller for web sites is very simple. When you design, you want to design for the lowest common denominator. If you only design for 1024x768 you are alienating close to 90% of the web audience. (It's actually harder to design for 1024x768 than it is to design for 800x600 IMHO.) You are better off serving the majority of the web audience unless you know, without a doubt, that your users will be using a set size. To do otherwise, only hurts yourself and your site. <P>I myself run a desktop of 1024x768, but I run my browsers at 800wide. Most days if I come to a site that says "best viewed at 1024x768" I leave. I feel that it is lazy design, you can design a site for 800, that stretches to 1024, and still looks good. If you look around you will see what I mean.<P>Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.
- When you have thier full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.

Im with F1 on that logic...myself i run 800x.........only because that is the standerd now and i like the feel of that size........ok so im loosing my young eyes..over 40 ya know...hehehehe.............i compensate for pallet space with extra video cards and monitiors....all my computers run dual monitors..............and yes negative space is good and one focal point to draw your eyes is rule the rest is great back-grnd..........just a thought...DocCyber

Yes, I also run 1024x768, but never ever have my browser maximized -- it's just not appealing to do so.
And, yes, pretty much what F1 said -- it's just bad design to aim for such a large screen setting, and for a signature it's almost absurdly large: it's as big as an ad banner!<P>This has been another episode of "My 2 Cents" with your host, DL-44

About web sites I always design for the 800 x 600 pixel areas, I always make them 800 Pixels wide, which fits perfect in a maximized 800 X 600 browser. As for my current sig... I have always been around guys that use the basic signature size of 500 x 90 pixel size. And this pic doesnt take long to load at all, I have the crap connection of 26000. And it loads instantly. Okay I like the size comments but could I get a few comments on the art itself? I kinda thought that the background hole thingy draws your eyes over my name. As for negative space, does this peace really need it? Please reply thanks.<P> <IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/xsig.jpg">

OK, let's all cool off here, eh? TFX17, most of the advices here actually are pretty good. I design site that will work at 800x600, but even so, I don't design them 800 pixels wide! Try not to forget the scrollbars and borders around the browser. I actually design the majority of my sites at 640 pixels wide nowadays, it makes me more compfortable, and most of the folks I know who use the web on a daily basis also use their computers for other things too, so a window smaller than 800x600 is by far the most common. Take it for what it's worth, but it's good advice, and well meant.<P>I actually like the look of the banner graphic, the feel of it is kinda cool. For use on this forum, the blue color on a somewhat big banner can be kinda jarring, especially when you end up having to pipe up so often defending it! My graphic.sig is 372x31, I designed it to match with the look here, and I'm thinking of making it even smaller and more muted, it can get kinda heavy when I have to post a lot. Speed for you won't be an issue, you probably have that sig image in your cache about a dozen places, not an issue here. <P>Howzabout we make a deal? I'm going to set myself a limit of 400 pixels wide, and only 28 pixels tall, matched against this background. That'll be my new sig file, and let's see if you can do the same. I warn you, mine is going to use the background color, I'm shooting for low-key here, and I bet it'll earn more positive responses.<P>Here's another beef! Why hasn't anyone but me, Slime, and now TF X17 used the graphical sig function? Don't you guys ever do any graphics? <g> I'll expect some action from you guys!<P><IMG SRC="http://www.ozones.com/forum/siggie.gif" border=0>

Hmm, I think I like the gladiator graphic better. More subtle in it's use of colors, and I always prefer natural tones more anyway. Hate to say it, but for anything but main page header, it probably *is* too big. Nice work, though.<P>Your pal, -doc-<P>[400x28 sig file, coming soon! (blend blend... :-)]

When i access from univerity i'm forced, for security reasons to view the pages at 800x600, at home 1024 768, 2 sites that come to mind for good mutli res support are phong.com and misery (links on phongs frontpage)
I think this is a achieved by tables.
To be honest i thought someone was selling a TF X17 when the page loaded.....cool designs tho' <IMG SRC="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

OK! Here's my new sig file, all over the place in the forum, simply overloaded it over the existing image. For reference, here's the orignal somewhat 'loud' version...<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.ozones.com/forum/siggie.bak.gif"> <P><IMG SRC="http://www.ozones.com/forum/siggie.gif" border=0><p>[This message has been edited by DocOzone (edited 25-05-2000).]

Well I dont expect to get much "i likes" compared to your work, for I have only been interested in Photoshop for 3 or 4 days. Anyway I changed my sig and now can we stop talking about the size of my signature and focus on the peace of art!? Thank you.<P> <IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/lilsiggy.jpg">

Oh man that looks like crap! But it will have to do till I can think up something good for such a small canvas size.<P> <IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/lilsiggy.jpg">

Hey, I'll participate in the sig image exhibit. (It's not like I have any WORK to do...)<P>
Wes<P><IMG SRC="http://www.bigwaste.com/sig_coupon.gif" border=0>
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<p>[This message has been edited by 2winspapa (edited 26-05-2000).]

Ack! How do I get rid of the image border in UBB?

Here's my lame attempt at a sig. I'm just not feeling motivated today...<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.groovyart.8m.com/images/sig.gif">

Ill have to work on a sig file for this forum............heres an older one i use elsewhere.. <IMG SRC="http://www.doccyber.com/sig.gif"> <P>[This message has been edited by DocCyber (edited 25-05-2000).]<p>[This message has been edited by DocCyber (edited 25-05-2000).]

Oops how about now!<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

Damn that's spooky .......... <IMG SRC="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Hey, Doc - how did you link your sig image and prevent the border?<P>Wes

I was aiming for something personal that also fit the mood of the forum.... hehehehehehahahahahah<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

Here's a pic o' meself that was KISS inspired. It's kinda evil looking and it scream's "Redneck Texan" although I'm not one. I just friggin' live here in this hell hole! LOL<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/texas_spook.jpg"> <P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

As this is my first forum, I've yet to make one.....can we use flash ??

There ya go! I fixed it for you Wes. Check out the source code for the fix...<P>I'll post my "sig" soon.<P>My personal preference is to avoid hurtling my body into anything rawhide

Well I'm not going to take sides, but my own personal preference is for subtlety.<P>I like the subdued signatures like Boudga and Doc came up with, as an example.<P>My signature represents several things: one, is that I like design that pushes the envelope, two I like stuff that radiates and pierces the void, and finally, as some of the "old timers" here know, I am a father of infant twin girls so perhaps it could represent the fact that I still have what it takes.... <g><P>alas, but I digress...presenting, with no particular fanfare...my "signature"<P><IMG SRC="http://www.hypersolutions.com/2winspapasig.jpg" border=0>
<p>[This message has been edited by 2winspapa (edited 26-05-2000).]

ACK!!<P>Hey Doc...it appears that my profile won't store my UBB signature code properly. Any ideas as how I could rectify that?<P>I'll paste it in for now.....<P><IMG SRC="http://www.hypersolutions.com/2winspapasig.jpg" border=0>

Whoa...<P>There's also a difference when including the signature proper, or when pasting it in!<P>The proper looks much better no? But then, I've got to edit it...bummer<P><IMG SRC="http://www.hypersolutions.com/2winspapasig.jpg" border=0>
<p>[This message has been edited by 2winspapa (edited 26-05-2000).]

I want a picture... =[
What should I make!?
*Sigh*<P> - Dan -

Well I changed my sig, that alst one was so scary and ugly that I made my self read tutorials all day for like 8 hours straight for producing such a peace of crap. So im going with this simple one till I cna think of something to make.<P> <IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/lilsiggy2.jpg">

OK, I just tried this one out, registering a new username and building a sig. I had to use the UBB code for an url=http://blabla... (in [brackets]), and then the UBB for and image nested inside. Strange, the darn thing is set to allow ubb image code, but the text says it ain't, and it does allow it! The first time it displayed, my 'is this OK' page, it had a border=2, but when I went to check my profile, it had a border=0. Odd. Let's test!<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.ozones.com/forum/siggie.gif">

OK, that worked badly, eh? Here's another try, after modifying most every one of my CGI scripts with a global to add the border=0 attribute, and hacking the texts just a bit. Wiil this work?<P>

Hey, papa! (And anyone else who's going to try and merge into the background!) On my sig, the first time, it merged badly, what was wrong? OK, maybe the ALTERNATING COLORS OF THE CELLS, hmm? Dammit. I ended up creating my image with a merge of those two colors, (light one first layer, dark one second layer, set that layer to 50%), and then used the transparency option. It seemed to work OK.<P>

Ah, yes, you always have to average the alternating colors!<P>I think it's important that signatures are simple and subtle, too... I took a risk with animating mine (animation is almost always distracting) but I think it turned out OK, since it changes so little.<P>A suggestion for all - try to merge your signatures with the background color around them; they look more natural that way. Try to avoid letting the edges of the image show.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/slimesareneat2/images/slimesig.gif">

Hey! Does anyone know the RGB values for the background of this forum?<P><P>/_-=SKAARJJ=-_\
Lepricosa...The Leprosy Ointment. For when your not half the man you used to be.

Skaarj, I did a screen capture of the page and then in Photoshop used the eyedropper to pluck out the various colors of the page.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

In hexadecimal:<P>The lighter color is #320808
The darker color is #240000
The average is #2B0404<P>In decimal:<P>The lighter color is rgb: 50, 8, 8
The darker color is rgb: 36, 0, 0
The average is rgb: 43, 4, 4<P>(the decimal values are out of 256.)<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/slimesareneat2/images/slimesig.gif">

I am having the worst time seeing things correctly in here. I always have to reload every page...<P>Anyway, thanks, papa! I didn't know I could use regular HTML. Let's see how this new sig works out...<P>
Wes<P><IMG SRC="http://www.bigwaste.com/sig_01.gif" BORDER=0><p>[This message has been edited by Wes (edited 26-05-2000).]

Your points are well taken unfortunately, in trying to make your point, you may have missed mine.<P>What I was needing to know is how to store my signature image file with link, into the signature field of my profile?<P>It would NOT hold properly. After I would post, I would only get the tag but no image. I would then go back into my profile and half of my code had been "cut" out.<P>Perhaps that part of the form can be revised to allow a longer entry(?)<P>As for my image. I intended it to blend with the background but not seamlessly...after all it's my design no?<P>I'll try the average color and see how it goes later....thanks<P><IMG SRC="http://www.hypersolutions.com/2winspapasig.jpg" border=0>
<p>[This message has been edited by 2winspapa (edited 26-05-2000).]

Trying out my sig file. If it works any comments?<P>Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.
- When you have thier full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.

Trying out my sig file. If it works any comments?<P>oppps.....gotta edit.<p>[This message has been edited by F1_error (edited 26-05-2000).]

Im just glad when I made this topic i didnt have it email me when people reply cause reciving this many emails just to fine that they dont even answer mny orignal questions would be very displeasing.<P> <IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/lilsiggy2.jpg">

testing...testing<P>

Your original post only contained the following question:<P>But from what I posted before I feel at least Im getting better can we agree on that?<P>I agree. Now are you happy? Stop whining!<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

Testing the sig again. <P>TF X17, I don't know what to tell you, I agree with DL-44, and you know my comments on size. Are you looking for more than what we spoke of in the beginning?<P>

Yo TFX!<P>Don't sweat the small stuff brother. Look what you ended up doing....you inspired many of us to create our own personalized "sig" files, and that's really cool.<P>Many of us can be tough to impress, but your efforts have not gone unnoticed. Keep up the good work, and keep learning, you have a bright future in any endeavor if you're willing to put in the time and effort.<P>peace <P>

Ok now I'm gonna whine! How come I'm not eccentric with 124 posts when F1_Error is eccentric with 124 posts?<P>
I feel eccentric.....LOL<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

TFX, 2Winspapa is right about influencing us to create sigs... before that we were all being lazy! LOL<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

whoa boudga....you're actually raving! heheheh<P>

Stark raving mad!!!!! hehehehehehahahahah...drooool....Gimmme some Thorazine dammit!<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

Aaaaaaaah! There are roaches crawling all over me! Get'm off man! Heeeeelp!<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

Honestly, 2winsPapa, I liked the first sig better, without the blurring of the light.<P>TF X17, The sigs you made at the top are great. I prefer the second one, the gladiator one, because it's much more subtle and seems to fit in this reddish environment much better than the blue one does. (You may want to try more faded shades of blue or something on the first.) Size, however, is an issue =) so before you use them, use a combination of resizing and cropping to reduce the size without losing the important parts of the image. You're pretty good for the first week or so of using the program for web graphics.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/slimesareneat2/images/slimesig.gif">

Heh heh, yeah, this has turned out to be a great thread! I love the things I see coming out of it. <P>TFX17, sweat not, aren't you learning stuff? We're just people, with opinions (more than most, perhaps!) and ssometimes we get cranky, and other times we drop earls of widsdom, and some other times we talk out of our nether ends, so it goes.<P>Wes! I liked the one with the dotted line, that was a hoot, I was clapping my hands when I saw it! Do some more with that, I liked it.<P>Here's the format for sig inserts...<P>&#91;url=http://www.yourdomain.com&#93;&#91;img&#93;http://www.yourdomain.com/yourimage.gif&#91;/img&#93;&#91;/url&#93;<P>For other ideas, I was thinking first about cutting a hole in the background, and sinking my sig down inside it, how would that be? Have fun, all!<P> <p>[This message has been edited by DocOzone (edited 26-05-2000).]

Somehow Doc I can picture you rocking rapidly back and forth in your chair clapping like a crazed seal.... there's a visual for you guys!<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

Ah well, thanks for the sudden umph in replies. Just to let you guys know about the blue sig, none of these sigs where intended for this board, they where intended for http://pub9.ezboard.com/bthefallenforums and so I would think the blue matchs a bit better. Yes I am learning much this week, and I thank everyone for there help and support. But I have a question for 2Papa, how did u make the blur light come off your arrow? That is very neat, is there a tutorial out there? Did yu jusy bulr so white? Please tell me yer secret <P> <IMG SRC="http://members.dencity.com/ForceCommander/lilsiggy2.jpg">

tying to post this last night....damn freeservers......
sig test mk2<P> <p>[This message has been edited by r@m (edited 26-05-2000).]

That's pretty **** R@M! I like the look of that!<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

That's really cool - I love the way it blends right into the forum like that. But if you're going to use it as a sig, I hope you're planning on making it much shorter? Better to have a long sig than a tall one.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/slimesareneat2/images/slimesig.gif">

Thanks, Doc. Just playing with a dotted border and realized it looked like a coupon, so i went with it. Of course, then everyone started talking about subtlety and I thought it looked a little too bright and obnoxious - made me self-conscious! I prefer a low profile...<P>r@m - like the hole much! I'm interested in how you got the bubbly acid-burned effect.
<P>

working on it , in the middle of a 4 way on ICQ,
just a test
thanks

whoa!!<P>way cool r@m! gotta show us how you did that!!<P>

i'll throw a quick tut together when i've finished the rust one , it's taken much longer than i planned :P
thanks guys <P><P>

OK, this one's just for funsies. Let's see if it works...
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I like that one Wes. Nice distortion, and it's simple. <P>

Someone slap me! I forgot how to get the average of two colors in Photoshop...<P>anyone care to humiliate me?<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

Neat sig Wes ...the bubbly acid effect is just 3 layers, each shape is slightly smaller that the first, each with slightly different colors, apply the texrizer filter decreasing the amount for each layer, use sandstone texture, top left lighting , relief of about 13 and just decrease the scaling, dark colours work best.
The center is the same shape contracted, use "paste into" with whatever you want in the back ground, then apply inner shadow.<P>Let's fill this forum fulla holes ! <P>

How to get the average color of a background in Photoshop:<P>1.Open your background image.
2.Give it a Gaussian Blur of 32pixels
3.Use the eyedropper tool to select one of the colors.
You now have an "average" color. <P>
BTW this is plagiarized from Ozones Transparency 2 Hands On.<P>

That doesn't make sense to me...I'll go see what Doc's Transparency tute has to say.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

I hate trying to draw with a mouse! It's like trying write a letter with a bar of soap.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.raceamerica.net/images/sig.gif">

Test...<P><img src="http://kublai_khan.tripod.com/sig1.gif"><p>[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 27-05-2000).]

Well, I finally decided to join this thread. This is a sig I put together in about 5 mins, if it comes up with a white background I say s***!!! cause it's supposed to be transparent...<P><P>
Lepricosa...The Leprosy Ointment. For when your not half the man you used to be.

Hey Skaarj that's neat , i like it lots, whats the problem with transparency?<P>I think in a forum simple is best, I like the idea of blending sig's into the colour scheme.<P>boudga.....
"I hate trying to draw with a mouse! It's like trying write a letter with a bar of soap."<P>ha ha h a lol, drives you nuts doesn't it ?
I was desperate enough to try taping a pen to the top of my mouse, Gaaaah!<P>
<p>[This message has been edited by r@m (edited 27-05-2000).]

Cool sig, Skaarj, but if you want transparency then you have to remember that gifs only support boolean transparency, and not partial. In other words, the drop shadows have to go. Or just change the white background into the average background color which I mentioned above somewhere.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/slimesareneat2/images/slimesig.gif">

Nice skarjj -- streamlined, smooth.
Make sure, for transparency, that you set your background color to the color of the forum (slime posted the RGB values earlier), and then select that color as your transparent color when you export your gif. If you need more details, lemme know.<P>--sig test here:<P>

ok, another sig test on a dark cell....<P>

any away to get .swf's working? or are they a no-no here?<P> <p>[This message has been edited by r@m (edited 27-05-2000).]

Really like the rust effects you get r@m -- nice work. Is that pic on your home page? I know I've seen it, is that where?<P>

Thanks DL-44, it's in Doc Cybers "Softwsre Stategy" thread.
http://www.ozones.com/forum/Forum3/HTML/000063.html <P>btw , what's the record for replys to a post?? this threads burning up!
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heh heh heh...they should change the icon for this thread from a burning folder to nothing, it would have burnt up by now!<P><P>
Lepricosa...The Leprosy Ointment. For when your not half the man you used to be.

I love your guy's sig's man! Yo DL, your signature looks like it's peering in from hell!<P>

Well, as a matter of fact....my own "Sky Taffy" topic had the highest that I recal at aproximately 70-something. Yes, I'm drunk with my over-exagerated sense of self-importance!!!!!!!!!HHEEEEEE-hheeeeee-heeeee-hhaaaahahahahahahaah!!!!!!!!!111<P>Okay........all better now...<P>

I think a lobotomy can fix that... hehe
i need to create my own sig. any ideas anyone?<P>Never Pet a Burning Dog
Rend

Well then DL-44, that record is beaten, with this post this thread is at 81 posts! I looked right through the archives and everything, and that is the highest ever!<P><P>
Lepricosa...The Leprosy Ointment. For when your not half the man you used to be.

Rend...My suggestion for your sig would be a burning dog, or a scythe (thingy used to cut crops before the combine harvester)<P><P>
Lepricosa...The Leprosy Ointment. For when your not half the man you used to be.

Awwwwwww, man! Oh well.....I guess I'll just go start another thread, and post 120 reply's to it
Rend -- it would have to be a burning dog, or a ferret. Or a ferret petting a burning dog.<P> <p>[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 28-05-2000).]

Doc please let us use .swf's for a sig .....interactive sig's ..it might start a trend
You could limit the file size
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Okay my new and probaley final signature. Hoe do you guys like it? The text looks like wood.... no it does look like wood.... yes it does! Squint your eyes and turn your head a bit, ahhhh seee there u go, told u it looks like wood.<P> <p>[This message has been edited by DocOzone (edited 29-05-2000).]

OK, not too bad, but now you need a bit more contrast under that type. Here's what I'll recommend. First, do a black dropshadow under it, but don't offset it, just blur it maybe 2 pixels with gaussian blur. Put a mask on it, and fade it so it dissapears to the left, we only need it under the flare. Then do a glow under the whole thing, say enlarge the selection one pixel, fill with yellow, blur by two, make a new layer over it, select the type shape, fill with pink, blur by 1. You'll get a nice fiery glow. merge those two layers, add a mask, and fade it so it dissapears to the right. You'll end up with the type clear and easy to read, a glow under it to the left, and a shadow under the flare to the right. Play with it, I think a combination of those two effects should add some impact.<P>

Yes, yes. I'll agree with all that...
All in all, a much better sig pic though.
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Okay thats really not discriptive but il try (remeber im a newbie to all this) ill attempt to fallow tose instructions and post what I get <P> <IMG SRC="http://www.blackcut.com/XImaging/images/lilsiggy2.jpg">

Why does my signature come out as html? I have the right coding dont I?<P> <p><a href="http://XImaging.cjb.net"><img border="0" src="http://www.blackcut.com/XImaging/images/lilsiggy2.jpg" width="400" height="28"></a></p>

You need to use UBB code not HTML in the sig.<P>

<P>Check the source code here.
&#91;URL&#61;http&#58&#47;&#47;www.blackcut.com&#47&#93;
&#91;IMG&#93;http&#58&#47;&#47;www.blackcut.com&#47XImaging&#47images&#47lilsiggy2.jpg&#93;
&#91;&#47;URL&#93;<P> <p>[This message has been edited by F1_error (edited 29-05-2000).]

Does it work now...<P>
[IMG]http://www.blackcut.com/XImaging/images/lilsiggy2.jpg]

now?

I'll take that as a no an the .swf question ...thanks guys

F1 gave you the correct UBB code TFX17. Can't use html for the sigs. And as far as r@m goes...only Doc would know the answer to that one.<P>It would be cool to have a link to what you had in mind though <P>

if your viewing in NN right click my sig icon and view peek.swf, i haven't spent much time on it, it seems a bit pointless if i can't get it to work
wait a few seconds and all will become clear
he's scared of mouse pointers btw
you need to resize the window down to normal sig size.....for some reason it get's displayed enormous......<P>
<p>[This message has been edited by r@m (edited 30-05-2000).]

Just wanted to get in on the action to a small extent. Only problem I ran into was keeping the image small, in height. The use of lens flare forced me to increase the height. I was hoping to keep the height around 35, but was unsure as to how I should have made the top and bottom meld to the background with the highly contrasting colors of the lens flare being the image border.<P> <p>[This message has been edited by WarMage (edited 30-05-2000).]

Maybe you should try actually sqeezing the lens flare so that it's more of an eliptical shape, see if that looks good, and it will decrease the size.

Or, you could make the picture really big, so the lens flare and text are almost the same size, then shrink the immage down to the size you wanted.<P> - Dan -