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Hey Cr0n0, the "blueprint" style crono was cool, I liked that. The OZONE font actually started out life as a font called "kabel". Once I have the basic text done in Illustrator, I switch to "create outlines", and then I have an illustrator style version of those same letter, which I can modify at will. Nobody wants a logo that's a straight "out of the box" font, so now you can make your changes. (Actually, I worked for USWeb/CKS, bifg branding and logo experts, and their logo was the name, spelled out in Helvetica, and then colored. Worked, too. Every rule has it's exceptions.) I like custom fonts for mine though. Only once or twice have I then created a full font out of my own creations, usually I just do a few letters. Fontographer is the inductry standard for doing this kind of work, but it can be a pain to use, not to mention costing big $$$. Check out one of my favorite font guys, name of Chank. Good stuff, the king of the RockStar fonts. Lots of interesting font linkages there too.

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I wasnt looking down on plugins or being prejudice against beginners i was letting him know that he was using the plugins entirely too much and its making his images look bad. From time to time Im sure it is alright to use a plugin but i dont think people should rely on them for the majority of there artwork, at least thats my opinion.

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My comments were geared toward the fact that filters may restrict the process of learning. They are a great tool, and I have nothing against them. Sorry if I was misunderstood.

I totaly disagree with you about filters restricting the process of learning! <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"> THe more you use filters the more you learn about them. Filters are very complex and some times maybe very hard to recreate. Without filters you would be working for hours trying to get one effect where as a filter can do it in instantly. The other thing with filters is that when combined they make outstanding effects. If you know every effect of a filter you can use it to create extreme effects. Tooo further explain what I mean I have made an Image. I combined the effects of many filters to create this. So take a look...



Now if anyone can recreate that without using a filture please tell me because I would be impressed. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">




[This message has been edited by Cr0n0 (edited 27-06-2000).]

No offense, but that looks like trash. It looks cheap.

If filters are helping you learn photoshop, show me a good interface that you've made using 100% filters. *chuckles*

Anyone that saw your pathetic attempt at a logo (The "Bota Design" one) on a web designer's page would be promptly hitting alt-f4.

[This message has been edited by mbridge (edited 27-06-2000).]

OK first of all that logo was my first attempt at any logo. So far I have heard its pretty good for a start. And that design that i just made was just to show you how filters can change an image into something thats can not be made without a filter. That took me about 2 minuites so it's obviously not going to be unbelievable. I can make you an interface using filters easily. But i will need to use some of the other photoshop effects as well. I never said filters are the only things you should use for making an image. All i said is they are very helpfull and save a shit load of time. You can probably ask anyone here and they will tell you that filters save you a lot of time. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/mad.gif">

I don't care how you make it. I just want to see an interface.

Like I stated in a few posts before, filters do look generic.. and if used incorrectly, do indeed look ugly. Keep it in mind that someone had to develop steps in order to make filters so it can still be achieved without using filters. Filters only provide an end result while if you do it step by step you can fine tune it along the way etc., providing a much more finished look. Also, actions seem to be very helpful as well and can be made... *shrug* I myself try not to use 3rd party plugin filters. (the ones that came with photoshop are useful though... lighting effects, lens flare.. *grin*). But anyway, I suppose that the logo you made is very good indeed but the text on it is very hard to read and it just doesnt fit in with it. It's kind of having a black sheep in the midst of 1000 white ones.

More comments from me.

I'd just like to add in that these filters/plugins/etc. are not the only rudiments for graphic design. I hear many asking questions like "can you create this effect without using plugins?" Similaraly, I can ask the same question.. "can you create this effect WITHOUT plugins?" It is more realistic to create an effect without plugins then just using plugins. Combining both of them speeds up the process, so one should learn how to use brute art skills and maybe once in a while lean towards plugins.

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My head is throbbing.. I feel..... ... like ... invincible.... hehe

Plugins...hmmmmmm..kinda been done to death before...however...PS comes (as you all know) with it's own built in Plugins...the basic starter kit...the means to add that little touch to whatever you guys wanna create, Glass, Ifaces, buttons etc...
Whatever way you wanna look at it, we are all newbies to some degree or another there are no exceptions here (including me)...
Cr0n0 it matters not what the finished graphic looks like...it's still art, and you used your own creativity to produce it...the next time you do something it will look better than the last 'n so on....some of my stuff sucks beyond belief, believe me...lol...what the hell eh....
As far as Plugins in general go, yeah we've all been there...however, some like Eye Candy can produce some cool effects...DocCybers work is a good reference point for cool graphics using Plugins....
....however, I gotta agree with some here in saying that when you reach the point where the only plugins you use are lighting effects, Gaussian blur 'n a bit of color, then I reckon you've pretty much got a good handle on PS....
My advice FWIW...put on your water wings and go take a soak in someone else's pond....'cause as sure as hell, if you become the next Phong or dbm, someone is sure gonna take a soak in yours....

btw Cr0n0, your stuffs pretty cool... <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Man, it is getting mean in here. Everyone here is on a different level, maybe a little praise is appropriote before you tell someone that what they did is crap. Maybe this criticism could be executed a little bit better and not so harshly.

I'll probably get flamed for this but I don't like seeing people get torn down. Life is hard enough on people, they don't need to be ripped by me too.

Ya, the Bota logo has its problems but geez, you don't have to tear it apart to shreds.

Phil, I agree with you and Blook that we all need to be more open minded and less, well, a lot less judgemental!

We're here to have fun folks! If you're not having fun, then start a fresh thread with a topic you enjoy and would love to discuss!

And people, let's lighten up here ok....life's too serious as it is!


peace!!

OK...everyone breathe in....breathe out.....ooohhhhmmmm....ooohhhhmmmm...check it out! I'm standing here extending the olive branch to settle our diffs!