Preserved Topic: need ideas?

i did this logo for a friend. any ideas, what else i could add, or what could be improved?


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(respect to mahjqa n weadah)

[This message has been edited by GRUMBLE (edited 05-06-2002).]

the idea is right, but it looks unfinished to me.

The sword looks out of proportion? Handle too small? also needs more detail.

Not gonna comment on the fire stuff, cos I couldnt do better myself.

The rest just looks like it needs more details and finishing.

Overall I like cept for what I mentioned above ~Vp!~

thanks for the input vp.
yeah, it definitely needs more detail.
but im afraid that after a while some parts dont fit together anymore.
for example the fire is kinda blurry and unsharp and then the sword so near... would look kinda out of place.
hmmm. gotta work harder. maybe i can use a new mask for the fire.
thanks again.

Nice fire, but what's it a logo for?

What is it meant to depict?

Why is it animated? Usually 'Logos' are fairly simple iconic images then animation is added for multimedia capable mediums if applicable, again coming back to 'what is it a logo for?'...

Although I did browse through the other images you had for the logo and I liked the simple 'S1' only logo's better.

Maybe starting with something that's not animated, playing with fonts, size, composition and stuff then animate the fire once you have a good solid base to work from.

Just my thoughts.

If you keep the animation, you need the fire to be reflected from the sword blade...I think that would go a long way to giving it a realistic feel. Maybe animating the sword, so that it slowly turns?

drac, the guy wants it that way - i do it that way!
(ok, the animation is just special effects. i can stop it of course, but i like it!)

ws, yes i also thought about reflection a little. but ca you imagine how difficult that is? especially animated?
the turning sword is a good diea too!

thanks!

Well. the reflection isn't that hard, but the turning sword...that is much harder. And yes, it is a lot of hard work...but it would be well worth the effort.

It looks like the "S" is right up against the sword and the "1" isn't. It doesn't look real symetrical to me which is thowing me off. Actually, I think there is "too" much detail in it right now. I tend to agree with Dracusis. But then again this is coming from someone who has only done a handful of logos.

Later,
C:\


~Binary is best~

hey, this isnt really a company logo with commercial background!
that guy is a fantasy freak!
btw, i have another version of it now.
i show you when finished.

i declare it finished:
http://www.embege.com/s1/index.php?choice=s1-sword-border1.2.gif

(damn, 256 colors are way too less!)

still got ideas? but this time please be concrete.

In your fire mask, I think you need to widen the flame shapes. now they're 7 pixels wide or so, more would be better, IMHO.

Maybe you could make the full logo in fire...
If you want to make the whole logo burn, you basically need a mask in the right shape, like this:




[This message has been edited by mahjqa (edited 05-07-2002).]

mahjqa, this is the mask im using:

i think i did it with the smudge or so. very same like you explained it back then in your fire tute.
but your version is very interesting too!
maybe i give it a try later tonight.

thanks a lot!

Smudge tool is perfect, yes. I think you need so smudge with a bigger brush though, like this:

Uhh...Ok, newbie question...I got the mask part, but how do I actually create that fire? I tried a few things, but I feel it's not the way to do it.


crip

You may want to take a look at these *.PSD's....
http://www.mahjqa.com/stuff/Torch_PS5x.zip for Photoshop 5.x or lower
http://www.mahjqa.com/stuff/Torch_PS6x.zip for photoshop 6.x or higher

'course you'll need to unzip them.. and if you've got any questions about them you might want to read
http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum14/HTML/000740.html http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum14/HTML/000833.html

and if you really don't want to read all that you could ask here.

mahjqa, i tried your mask, but i like the old version better somehow.
i think with your mask i should also make a new seamless-layer which was difficult enough already for the old one.
http://www.embege.com/s1/index.php?choice=s1-sword-border1.3.gif

dracusis, i sent you a note at DA too. but im referring to the cool detailed scroll you made once. can you give me some tips on detailing techniques you used?

Did someone say flaming text???

~*Poins Down To Sig*~

btw, insider. IMO your fire looks a bit grainy. you should try another cloud-map or play with levels.

No its just the gif colors, remember I had to optimize for file size! Also I am retarded what does IMO mean? And I like my fire grainy, unless you mean the transparency I haven't really the time to fix it because I think it looks fine as it is.

IMO = in my opinion.
how much colors did you use?
i mean it just looks a bit too bright. fire has naturally more red tones.

IMO = In My Opinion
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion


Hah! Look at those post times! Yee harrr!

[This message has been edited by Dracusis (edited 05-10-2002).]

I dont remember just call me if u need any help on ur flaming text although I will tell u I didn't use the mask layer to color burn I set it to hard light .

Hey Grumble, just adding a little side note for ya about thet message you sent me on dA.

I managed to dredge up the old thread of that very scroll's creation from the archives:
http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Archives/Archive-000004/HTML/20011106-3-001662.html

If you have any further question just ask.

Uhhh...did you ever finish it? I read the thread...it just kinda stops, cut-off like. The progress you made through the thread was amazing (IMHO). Would love to see the finished product...great work, Drac.

webshaman: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation.php?id=331038

drac: thanks for linkin me up! maybe i'll be back with questions

Damn, that's nice, Drac. Love the text...which is it?

Hey grumble I know this isn't the sig forum but I thought maybe I could perhaps bring it here.

I took your advice and as soon as I got home I made another fire sig with say "darker more red tones" so tell me if this was what you ment?

New One:


Old One:

yay, much better!

btw: these are some i did a long time ago. they arent very good either but you can orientate on the colors maybe.



[This message has been edited by GRUMBLE (edited 05-10-2002).]

Well now IMHO I think both of those are nice but so hard edged, thats why I used hard light instead of color burn to give a much more soft effect on the fire, maybe you can go through them and try that.

holy cow! I cant believe i missed that scroll thread... that gold! really Really tight work also!

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