Preserved Topic: Pixel Person Project: Graphics

Let's have some fun with this guys and gals

Offical FAQ area for this project: http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/888/

if you want to get involved in making clothes or different facial and arm gestures .. let us know what your doing and do report progress .. thanks


[This message has been edited by RammStein (edited 11-03-2002).]

the only reason my hair is that way is because i didn't comb it at all today

[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 11-04-2002).]

wow, hold on.... yah!

I think we should make *new* people. Like, dont use the old template. at all.

We got plenty of time to do this so... lets do it right eh?

Lets make new people and new basic parts. Pants, shirts, hair, glasses, blah...

then people can take the PSD and use the base to make it even better. then Anyone can make a cool neat o bean o person. yah!

                                     

ya.... although i don't have any specific thoughts to accompany this....
I *do* think we should go a whole new route with these things.
I'd like to see it to the point where if you just took a very fast glance at one of these...... you'd know it was the asylum's template... or one of the stor trooper templates.


Furthermore..... I like to suggest that we do not keep all these people the same height.
Perhaps even make a little chart to accompany these while they're in the development stage saying that a pixel poser at "x" height is the equivelent to a human at 5'7"-5'10".
Then 3 different body frames..... slim.... average.... thick. (no weight accompaniment here).
I realize that this sort of set up would require quite a large amount of added work. Clothes would have to be made for each height and frame.
Mebbe just have 3 height models... and 3 weight models.
That'd be a TON of work in itself....... but eh... if you wanna go the distance with this... I think that's the best way to go about it. There's no point in letter the stor trooper be better than the pixel posers...... so it's going to require a hefty amount of work anyway... and you'll need something that draws the crowd and makes them think.... "oh ya... i remember those other pixel people thingie..... what was the name of them?... hrmm... oh well... who cares... i have a super duper pixel poser now! weee!"

Just a few things to think about.

oooh...

I like that.

If we were to create a template, then different people could make the clothing. Then it would be approved, or edited by a bored of people just so it all looked some what coherent.

Ya see, if many people work on it, then it really wont be a lot of work.

As for the template, I think the next generation should be a slightly more 3d than what we had before, also I like the idea of 3 heights and 3 weights.

the old template is only here for purpose of working on a new template .. finding the average jaw lines and dome of the head .. etc etc

but I like what Michael has suggested .. different height and different weight .. if we are going to do this we do this all the way .. so if your going to help out .. make sure you can go all the way

and guys .. I just made the beginning template for something to begin to work with .. this isn't a final template matter of fact there wont be .. just a working with template a starter template .. which I was just trying to provide

in any case let's keep this discussion going

Or we could do input values.

Maybe something like:

Hight: [insert here]
Body Type: [insert here]
Ethnicity: [insert here]

>Generate Pixel Person<

dont forget

Sex [male,female,cantfigureout]

I'm going to work on the different template sizes(weight and height)

Eheh, I am willing to make 6 styles of clothing. When Exams come around though I'll be studying a little more, but that isn't for another month or two.

Or, if we get a flash volenteer, we could just have size.locate.resize action. Wasn't it wes that started that thread with the link to the site with the flash face generator? It had a selection of eyes, nose, mouth, hair, face, etc. And when you dragged it in you could alter its size.


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Prying open my third eye.

what about
species: [human

wait a minute.... I think I already said that.... yealp.

I Like the way you think man!

You found the Green pills I see! SHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by eyezaer (edited 11-04-2002).]

Some good ideas and as has been said there is no rush - Rammstein has given us a good start by knocking up the initial ideas and providing something we can get stuck into.

I would like to say before we get too carried away but I suspect we would be making a rod for our backs going for different heights and builds (we'd need 9 different versions of each garment). I would also be concerned that it would extra levels of complication for coding.

What I think we should aim for is (at least initially) a simpler template and code with one male and female template (with whatever ethnicities we want) this will allow us to to make sure we get everything right. We will then have a generic base on which to build what we want (I'd be interested in taking this base and producing one for the GN and making it available for people to take and adapt for their communities).

We would then be able to create more diverse Asylum models with the extra work required to get everyhting up and running as we want it.

This goes beyond graphics and I'll close down the old thread in the main forum and start a new one so we can discuss our strategy and how we are going to actually tackle this problem - largely because I don't want people's efforts to be wasted or anyone to feel like we are ignoring their ideas (as if we ever would ).

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btw ram i changed the darker skin tones, they seemed to contrast a little too much so i nullified it a little more

OK I have started the new thread here:
http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum1/HTML/005835.html

for now I think this thread should concentrate on getting the basic male (and then female) templates worked out. We can then use these as our basis for getting the generator up and working. Once we have a proof of concept we can really start to explore the ideas brought up here.

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FAQs: Emperor

Okay, Carryon!.

I am off to create pear people in my extra time.

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Izzy, did you go as a pear for Halloween?

I'll bet it looked like this



excuse my jaggies

*shakes head*

I've got it .. we want different right .. well .. how about bigger heads!!

I'll work on the prototype .. so how it looks .. because I don't want the pixels to make the head look to block looking

the Asylum Inmates just have bigger heads .. like those bobhead toys you see on peoples dash boards or what have you .. there really isn't much we can do to "change" the over all feel of the body without making it look like a duplicate to anothers version of pixel guys


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Right RammStein beat me too it there what do people want from the basic template?

1. Dimensions: Is the height about right? It seems about the practical size but we can tweak it.

2. Proportions: Do we want the head bigger than the body? It would allow us to add more expression to the features and is a classic device for such things.

3. Head shape: As this will be out big 'canvas' we need to get things right here. I think we need to trim the jaw line a bit. What about the curve of the top of the head?

4. Features: We are going to have more of an identikit face with the ability to add in features - should we make the ears part of this? At this kind of scale I'm not so sure there is a need,

5. Details: How about the shading? Perhaps we should loose the abs and possibly just throw in a belly button with the possibility of having abs as an option?

6. Arms and legs? Do the arms need to be a bit bigger? Do the legs need to be a bit straighter?

Anyway we need to work on getting this basic male template done so we can move on to making a female version and adding clothes so we can move on to the next stages. So throw your ideas and thoughts in. Remember we are going for a basic (default) template and once we have the whole generator working we can work on adapting things to suit our specific needs here in the Asylum.

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FAQs: Emperor

It is probably easier to have a set number of templates for the body, such as tall, short, muscular, out of shape, etc... rather than try to have it based on numerical values such as height and weight.

I think that it should be as realistic as possible without being so time consuming.

Head = 1/6(Body)

The bottom of your ears are supposed to be on the same line as your eyes.
The space between your eyes is supposed to be the legnth of one of your eyes.

So I think having an input value that generates a pixel person would be better than a default body. Also for yearbook reference, I think everyones' body should be fully shown instead of layered on top of people, I mean we didn't pick the shirts and jeans for nothing .

I think the body could be shaded more smoothely instead of 2-tone. That would give it a distinctive look compared to Stor-troopers by looking a little more detailed.

Just to make a few corrections

Your head is 1/8 your body height and if your eyes line up with the bottom of your ears, you're one goofy looking fucker The tops of your ears line up with your eyes.

I have a paper laying around my room somewhere's with all the human proportions on it...

Moth: All good points. For now we are going to concentrate on producing one template and then producing some variation on it - a female version as well as a few skin colour differences) anything more would create lots more work in the early stages and we want to get a functioning generator up and running before we start elaborating on our basic theme

SB: Fancy making an example to show us what you mean? I suspect I am in favour of this - will it make producing the features any more difficult? I can't think it will but I thought I'd better ask. Should we make the light come from upper left too? It currently seems to be coming from somewhere on the right doesn't it?

Synax: Well spotted Its your mouth that is supposed to line up with the bottom of your ears.

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Ah fuck me, I forgot the it was the top of the ears

But I still think that it is 1/6, I am almost but not quite certain.

And I remember, it was the mouth that was at the bottom of the ears, silly me.

just take a moment and think about that insider...
example.... person is 6 feet tall.
you think their head is going to be 12 inches long?
most likely not.

Actually, I don't think a realistic model would work very well, unless, you don't mind how big the template is going to be. See, if you take the head = 1/8 total body length model, then a head 20px long would mean a body length of 160px. Pretty big if you're trying to do a sig out of it. Also, 20px length for the head doesn't leave much room for fine detail.

Anyway, I'm sure whoever's working on the base template has already thought of this, so, I'm just reinforcing the point. A bigger head will allow for more personality in that area, while leaving ample room for body modifications (clothes, etc.)

For a cartoony look, the head should be about 1/6 to 1/4 the size of the body, that's true.
*Edit: I mean, those Stor Troopers' heads are 1/3 the size of the body.



[This message has been edited by synax (edited 11-05-2002).]

From How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way:

quote:

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Most average guys are about 6 1/2 heads tall

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The best reference for figure drawing.

Yes tax, I do think his head will be 12 inches tall. Go do a proportion check someone!

sorry peeps .. I've gotten a new toy to play with and well I've been busy playing with templates and php files and other goodies


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So does anyone fancy playing with the template then? By the bature of the beast we are going to have to have a figure with an unnaturally large head (actually the proportions are about right for me but whoever said nature was invovled with that) - as has been said (by silence and others) it is required to give us a big enough canvas to make the features expressive.

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FAQs: Emperor

Got a pong match to finish .

I really like the work done by RammStein and Xdreamer.ch in the Sig Forums 3d pixels post
I dont know much about all this stuff your talking about, but it seems that would be a neat sort of goal to go for.
please update me and fill in the blank spaces! so i can understand what this is all about

not Xdreamer.ch I ment o00stud00o
sorry

quote:

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Yes tax, I do think his head will be 12 inches tall. Go do a proportion check someone!

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I did. multiple times.


and as a complete side note that is sure to sound more like a gripe than it really is....... ... Insider, I've noticed that you call some other members of the asylum by their first names... that don't even use their first name as their username....... YET with me... I have my first name as my username... and you call me by some long lost username........ ... reason??
and don't use the.... "well i'm just so used to taxon lalala" excuse.... Because I've gone by Michael longer than I went by taxon during your time here.
Like i said... I'm prolly coming across like I'm angry about the subject..... when in truth I'm just completely beside myself on the issue.
*shakes head*

here's some stuff to keep the ball rollin'.
Ramm's current template on the left.... and then my revised template on the right.
Still needs work...
Thoughts?



. .p.s.d. .

Michael: Good work - I lie it a lot

The larger head should allow us to have more expressions.

Anyone got any thoughts and ideas?

SB: You spoke about better shading?

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Nice Michael. Definately adds a degree of seperation from the stor troopers. {{edit - needs a belly button though!!}}

I am all for more 3D shading, not sure how difficult to implement it may be....but I think it'd be worth the effort.

I'd also like to add that I am approximately 6 feet tall. My head is approximately 9 inches tall. That would make my head 1/8 of my total height (insider - hold a ruler to your head! Imagine your head that big? ouch....).

The average proportion is between 7 and a half and 8 heads' height for an adult male.

We obviously need a much more exagerated proportion, so it really doesn't matter much





[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 11-07-2002).]

OK anyone got any ideas for improvements, etc.?

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FAQs: Emperor

I'm still working on my version.. don't hold your breath.

mahjqa: Cool - I was just making sure this stage hadn't slipped from view as if we are going to get something moving then we need this template

I look forward to seeing what you come up with

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FAQs: Emperor

It came out more like an interpolation of the two.. At first I went for a more realistic approach, but with this stance and style there's no way to add a more curved look without f'ing it up.





[This message has been edited by mahjqa (edited 11-11-2002).]

mahjqa: Nice work - the trick is clearly to use low angles and straight lines and that is really working for me

We are probably going to kick ideas around and pick bits we like from the different ones to produce a finalised version (so it would help if people said what they liked from each one and what they didn't as well as thoughts on imporving things).

So I like the top of mahjqa's head but the lower half is still a little square and Micheal's has a more realistic jaw line.

The lower half of mahjqa's looks really good.

The arms are tricky mahjqa's look good but there is still a pipecleaner look about them and Michael's look more realistic. I'm not sure if there is an easy fix to that although pos. a thickening of the arm in the armpit area is the way to go or making the back slightly wider at that point?

Really nice work from everyone - I'd be interested to hear what other people thought.

Micheal is just preparing a single graphic for all 3 templates so we can compare things a little better:

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FAQs: Emperor

it would seem we keep getting taller..... hehe



psd. --> clicky!

[This message has been edited by Michael (edited 11-11-2002).]

Michael: Its clearly the better diet here in the Asylum (or the unsafe experiments with radioactivity) - makes the kids grow bigger

Thanks for that it helps a lot.

I also like the shading mahjqa has done - much better: a more subtle light from top left

Anyone got any further thoughts?

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FAQs: Emperor

The second one looks like he has nubs for legs.

nah... looks like he can do some madd squats.... pretty weak on the bench presses though.
Love seein the toes... they need work though. heh... also a little more shading would be nice to add some depth.

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keep in mind, people..... this project... and this template is open for anyone to mess with.
I certainly don't have the time to be mucking with it at the moment....
So grab the psd... or just copy the pic and do some work on it.
This is a group effort.

Exactly! thas why i added my thoughts... not pixels. ttfn!

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And we'll bump this Bad Boy.

Thoughts and input - as I said in the other thread there are people out there looking for a replacement to the stortroopers.

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FAQs: Emperor

I made a few slight modifications by making the chest bigger and taper down to the waist as well as broadening the shoulders.



I don't know if it works or not, but it seems more fleshed out to me now.

psd here

i thought those shoulders looked rediculous.



psd


FAQs n' Bits: Michael

silence: Nice work

Yes indeed this is looking like it is coming along nicely.

The shoulders are too square for our initial test unisex model but I like the chest work - does that last one look just a little too short for that width?

I'm not sure what other people think but having the lighting coming from the top left is more 'conventional' (although I notice the original storTrooper didn't have it like that).

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FAQs: Emperor

Yeah, I think the shoulders are much better now, Micheal.

the shoulders are much nicer there.. yes light should be from top-left, everything else is.. why be queer now.. im not sure bout the head shape, its pretty big.. almost like mine but mine isnt that wide, lol.. he looks a little more.. i dunno, it gave a diff vibe there.. id be really interested in seeing this get finished.. just wanted to say keep at it

::Chudzta's Personal Page::

I do think we need to focus on head size and shape - I prefer head 2 although possibly with the top of the head from 3 and 4. Thoughts?

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FAQs: Emperor

hey emp, i think 3-4 and the top look all good, i think its the jaw structure on those 2 that is making it a lil iffy, im working on it now.. if any1 cares, i dunno if i'll post or not, depends if it looks liek i made much of a diff when im done..

::Chudzta's Personal Page::

nit picky bastards.



psd



FAQs n' Bits: Michael

alright mike, i like the head, i was working on an edit of diff other parts to see if anyone liked or not.. should i still continue, or.. run and hide.. i can dance like a flamingo to, but mayb tmrw night for that, my knee is sore

::Chudzta's Personal Page::

nah man.... grab it and go.
keep mixin' it up and throw out new ideas for people to look at.


I, on the other hand.........
.... am heading to bed. =)



FAQs n' Bits: Michael

alright, i should be able to find an image host, how would i go bout the PSD file.. maybe on one yins got aol and i could send it to ya to post for me?? sry i either know my stuff or i dont..

::Chudzta's Personal Page::

Michael: Good work I love it - it seems a little narrow for the size but it gives an interesting stylised touch that I really like (a little like a moa??).

chudzta: Upload your version to one of the sig hosting sites and we can sort the PSD out later.

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FAQs: Emperor

Okay emp..
I edited the toes, shins, wrists, and elbows.. Looks a lil more i dunno bent to me, we'll see the response i suppose..



- Chudzta

I like those! I like those a lot, and I am more than willing to make clothing for all of them if needed.

original stor trooper for comparitive purposes as we continue to make changes.


FAQs n' Bits: Michael

Great work from everyone there - DG's certainly has a little something that I like (this isn't a pun by the way). One thing though the feet look a little wide - I'd prefer the standard cartoon convention of 4 digits as in number 2. Other than that............

Anyway this is looking great we only want a prototype so we can move on and get the other aspects (clothes, client and server coding) sorted and so I think we should start wrapping this aspect up. Anyone got any other comments?

Remember once we have developed the basic model we can then come back and adapt the template to our needs (heights and builds was mentioned which would be interesting).

[edit: The hands also look a little odd - the one's on 3 and 4 look better. They will usually be poking out and so they need to look 'right' ]

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FAQs: Emperor

emps mentioned a hands and feet change.


FAQs n' Bits: Michael

Michael: Nice work - like the feet a lot. I think the hands look better but what do other people think?

Hmmmmmmmm now I look again I see something oddly familiar about #10 but I can't quite pin it down.......

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i dont really know what the stor trooper was and i only half way follow the conversations about backends and interfaces, but i can make some clothes or something...


my main contribution is the groin bump, every man needs a groin bump!

PSD(oops! fixed now)


.:anything to stop the voices!!

[This message has been edited by EzRa-D (edited 12-27-2002).]

EzRa-D: LOL - well indeed we do

Your iteration is a little knobbly for my tastes (no pun intended) but good move

If you have any broader questions then feel free to ask them in the other thread in the main forum (we'll try and keep this focused on actually making the initial pixel person prototype.

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im a knobbly guy what can i say

im not tooo sure the knees look entirely.. whatever they look like ocean ripples now, and i know the indents make sense when i look at my knees but in the pixel art realm here.. ahh who knows.. wont matter much with pants on, what about shorts tho, hrmm..

::Chudzta's Personal Page::

Does anyone know any good Beginner tutorials for pixel art is?I gogled and yahooed for a day now.Not much on it.just some pixel art and paintings but no tutorials.I looked on the Faqs.But thats a little to advance for me. I want to make make pixel art like Mas does and the other people on here.I will make me a pixel art Person :0) for this post.Thxs for the Help ObiWanAdobe

N/M I FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING.I need Glasses

[This message has been edited by ObiWanAdobe (edited 12-26-2002).]

OK I think we have a great selection here unless anyone has any other ideas/thoughts/versions to throw in I'd suggest shutting this thread down and opening up one where we pick the one we are going to use for the prototype so we can move the other aspects of this along.

And for anyone looking for information on making sprites/pixel art:

:FAQ:

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FAQs: Emperor

Hmmm...has anyone considered the fact, that the PixelPerson template is to be used for both sexes? Or are we going to be using two templates, one for a man, one for a woman? Suggestions? Comments?

BTW - that head does look awefully familiar...hmmm....

WS: Yes to avoid complications we were concentrating on the male prototype as developing the 2 sexes at the same time could have lead to the two designs diverging and looking odd. So we were waiting until the male one was done and then we'd tweak that into the female.

I was also trying not to think about male -> female sex change operations in too much detail

I think tha pixel person is familiar as I believe it is Allewyn

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FAQs: Emperor

damn where the hell have I been!


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OK if no one pops their head in then I'll wrap this up in an hour or so and start the voting. Don't worry if you haven't had any input as this is only the prototype and there will be plenty of oppotunity to play with things at a later date

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FAQs: Emperor

Let me throw another one into the hat - a combination of the things I liked in the last two proposals:

voting has started.... go here -----> http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum3/HTML/003081.html


FAQs n' Bits: Michael