Preserved Topic: oh please, give me insight here...

I've completed a working demo of graphic minutiae. anyone who's anyone should check it out thus far.

graphic minutiae

all criticism welcome. if there is part of it that does not mix with your browser, I want to know. Thanks!



[This message has been edited by twItch^ (edited 31-08-2000).]

hey twitch^, looks good, only a few minor problems here:

1. the scroller works for me, but it seems the coords are a bit off, in order to get it to work correctly i have to click a bit to the right of it.

2. the words, work, and help links seem to be broken.

other than that i havent noticed any problems.

btw, i am using ie 5.5 on a pc/win 98

hey twitch--

just checked out the site... not really my favorite design style (well, what is anyways?), but i think you did a pretty decent job with the theme. i'm not so hot on the pixelated glow looking effect you have behind the words on some of the page...

also i have a feeling your scroller is not lining up correct on the page... it's about 15px too far to the right, so the edges aren't lining up right currently.

oh well, that's all i noticed. nice job.

cheers.mikey.milker

why are people compelled to tell me what screen res and color depth to use? i run in 16 bit color 90% of the time (my vid card ***) and everything looked the same to me. the 2 most popular screen resolutions are 800x600 and 1024x768.
http://websnapshot.mycomputer.com/

aside from page not found, it looks pretty good. i think the scrolling is too fast, personally. your images are good.

for the life of me, I can't tell why it works dandilly (the scroll bar) on my machine at home, but not on my machine at work. *sigh* s'ok, though. I'll look through it and figure it out somehow. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

la'dsasha ~ I put that in there for this purpose: the screen that is a pop-up cannot be viewed on a 640x480 res--it's 700x420 or something around there. Ergo, have less than 800x600 and you can't enjoy the site to it's fullest extent. Along the same lines, I ask for 24bit color because it's a graphic design site--whats the point of looking at graphics when they aren't how they're supposed to be? Art galleries don't post it, but don't you think they'd recommend glasses if you can't see the pictures? You'd be looking at images that were not intended by the artist. Makes perfect sense to me.

I'll check into the scroll bar issue tonight.



(edit) I just checked out the site on a mac G4 cube running netscape on OS9--the scroll works perfectly... *sigh*

[This message has been edited by twItch^ (edited 31-08-2000).]

Well, dynlayer.js and scroll.js turned up 404 on me. So that cut out the content of the site. However, the rest of the graphics loaded just fine.

I think the left window should be shortened to give the content window more horizontal space. Like a ratio of 1 to 2 or maybe 1 to 3. Ummm... like putting 'minutiae' under 'graphic' to shorten the left and widen the right.

The top of the dividing line being rounded in one direction looks a bit funny. One straight line or two straight lines with a bit of space between them might look better.

Maybe rounding the corners of the two windows in the same way you rounded the nav border. Not just the same corners, but with the same size rounded corner. Those two different rounded corners towards the bottom on the left look a funny as well.

The scroll bar on the left is a bit low in my browser (Opera 4.01).

And pre-loading mouse-overs wouldn't hurt either.

That's what caught my eye at a glance. Other than that, it's pretty sharp.

Oh yeah, the splash page. The glowing circle is chopped on the left-hand side. And I have mixed feelings about entrance requirements. I'll save that rant for another day.

Here's a variation for your splash page. Make the table cell as narrow as the graphic, pump up the space between the lines using CSS, and put one space before and after each period. If you are going for an e e cumming feel, might as well expand on it or go the full nine. LOL or even really mix up the baselines in the text using several different CSS identifiers.

Food for thought.

remarkable... I hadn't even considered the Opera browser. Odd that the .js files come up 404, they work on all other machines tested... As for the scroll-bar on the left--there isn't one...good idea on the enxtending of the content field, but not sure how I feel about it.. I'll tinker with the design. as for the splash page, I threw that together just so it would link properly to the main site--it's not intended to be the final product. heh

Thanks for the ideas.

IE5 on Win2k:
'Words', 'Work', and 'Help' return 404.

A bug with the scroller - when I click-held on the button, then dragged too far (past the top/bottom of the scrollbar), the whole page turned to crap. Apparently, I 'selected' everything on the page, which overlaid a white dither over everything. At one point, the white was overlaying the top part ('GRAPHIC MINUTIAE ... HOME'), and it wouldn't go away until I switched pages and came back.
Since I tend to drag the button past the end of the scrollbar whenever I want to go to the top/bottom of the page, I was getting this bug a lot.

das ~ truly. I wish I knew how to fix that. I've consulted as much as I can in terms of books and am no closer to a solution to that. (sigh) I'm not a coder by nature, so some of this really is very confusing to me. If (anyone) has any idea how to remedy this problem, I'd be glad to learn. As for the 404's, that's because I haven't finished those pages yet, but they're fairly similar to the two that were up. Thanks!

Ah. If it's a known but unfixable bug, then ... nevermind <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

I haven't played with DHTML much yet (need more time...); is it an issue with layers in general, or with Steinman's DynLayer code?

Wow twItch^, the sites comming along nicely. I can't wait till its finished.

Jestah
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Augh! I'm *really* sorry to be such a jerk about this, but it just really gets on my nerves... on your front page it says people need a "Java enabled browser"; you meant to say "JavaScript enabled browser". The words are not much different, but the languages are entirely separate! Personally, if I didn't know you, I'd have considered leaving at that point... i just hate it when people do that. (Don't take any offense to this, you're only one of thousands of people to make the same mistake!)

As for the site, well, I like it. That scrolling script (looks like you took the same one that's on Kelly's site, btw, "dreamshadows" or something like that) *can* be fixed, I think, but it would really have to be looked into and would be extremely hard. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

Nice layout and all. Maybe you could put something more in the left half?

Hey lookin good!

That particular scroller does make it easy to select everything at once.

Would mouseOver instead of down be a way to prevent it ?

Or what about like :
onMouseDown = a window.focus function.

I'm not sure, but the accidental select all feature is bit of a pain.

Overall tho a killer design...

C'ya



<smiley> </smiley> Weadah

Wouldn't it be something like
onfocus="this.blur()"
or onmouseup="this.blur()"

No, those little tricks only prevent the dotted outline that you get after clicking on a hyperlink. As for *selecting* text, there's no remedy.

twitch,

I couldn't get the scroll bars to work on IE5 nor NS4.7 on the Macintosh.

IE5.5 on WinNT same problem but NS4.7 on WinNT looked and worked fine.

It's a shame because when that scroller works, it's awesome.

das ~ I think it's a problem with layers in general... I'm rather certain there's a way to remedy it, but I haven't figured it out yet. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Jay ~ I hope to have it complete within a few more days.

Slime ~ totally, no problem 'bout that. I may not be as "technically savvy" as I wish I were, I welcome the comment. And I have noticed that it might be a welcome addition to have some more content on the left side. I'll fiddle with it some tonight, thanks for the pointer.

Bugimus ~ Yeah, I'm still fiddling with the scroll script... If nothing else, I can defualt into frames, but I hate frames ever so much. I wanted to use this scroller because frames are so very constricting--and look what it's goten me! It's odd, though, that it works **perfectly** at my home computer, but *no where* else. Heh

Again, I thank everyone for their commentary. The site will continue to evolve.