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Here's a simple design that we have put together. What do ya'll think of it?
http://team-2001.com/O'Crab/

Comment and suggestion are welcomed.
Allgood & Maa

hey do you ever sell anything like that? just wondered.

erm wont comment on the design. it looks commercial but i suppose thats the look your going for.



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Allgood and Maa just can't catch a break 'round here!!

I'm perpetually confused. Just about EVERY "commercial" site you'll run across is BASIC in it's design. It seems visual simplicity is the "IN" thing.

But yet, everyone wants you to know how to do these absurd abstract pieces? Why?? Do you EVER see them in use???

Or does esoteric abstract stuff prove you're "artisic and talented"?

FWIW- If I were an employer, I'd be LOOKING for portfolios FULL of stuff like this design.

(One concern::: Doesn't "pizzadude" only allow for non-commercial use of his fonts??)

Thanks for the nice reply. Yes this one is for commercial use. We have commercial and iface template that we sale on our site together.

As for the font...we are not selling the font...we are selling the piece that we made using the font. It's a freeware font. As he said from hid quote:

"All fonts on this pages are thousand percent freeware, that means distribute them freely as a freeware, but, do not sell the fonts".

We have taken it this way but, have sent an e-mail to him and are waiting for his reply before we put it up on our site for sale.

Yes you are right...we sale this type of designs alot. Believe it or not we also sale the ifaces alot too. If they love them we make them is what I say.

Thanks again for looking and giving us great suggestions as on here we always do.

Allgood & Maa

Allgood, I worry about the lack of definition in the site, I think that everyone has been calling it contrast. I don't think that your graphics have a lot of definition, the colors overall seems too soft. The text does stand out, but that is all. When I see this site I think of cute little babies in a crib sleeping. I think if you worked the lettering to have a bit more definition you would have something to go on.

The other problem I noticed was on the following pages 2-5 that the different sections don't line up correctly.

The versions work the same on IE and NS which is good, on Amaya the site gets a little bit jacked, but is still readable.

So in closing:
1) Definition to you graphics
2) Content alignment on diffrent pages.

I would hate to see a baby get crabs....poor tyke!

Can someone show me a page or two of where you are talking about good contrast and stuff? Cause as of today we have sold 5 of our designs without a problem. I just want to know and see what you are meaning with contrast so that I can get a grasp to what ya'll are trying to convey to me. Would really appreciate it very much.

Allgood

It's simple alright. I like it in general, although it looks like it'd be selling stuff for parents with really young kids or something.

One peice of advice: the text boxes, drop downs and buttons should have background colors that are *lighter* than the background behind them, it'll look better, I think.

Speaking of selling these pieces, Allgood, don't you think the price is a little low?

Take into consideration all the time involved with planning, making the interface, dealing with the potential client, incorporating their logo, etc...

Seems low to me.......UNLESS you've not only sold the concept, but ALSO the additional work of implementing the design.

Do Tell!

The ones that are low are the ones we are selling that we have had for a long time. The others cost more than that. Trust me...we aren't selling ourself short or trying to put other graphic designers at risk of not selling their stuff cause these are low. We have sold some of our pieces for $1000 dollars and that's wher ewe stay most of the time. Just the simple stuff is low until I grasp this contrast thing.

Thanks everyone.
Allgood

this contrast and definition that people talk about, i will try and explain, allgood.
your light colors in the menu area look like they are kinda 'faded' - almost like its more of a watermark than the central navigation piece. it means that it does not attract as much attention.
personally, i dont think that the site 'suffers' all that much from this, but i thought i should let you know a bit about what people are on about, as far as i can tell...

Thanks buncha...so I need darker colorsat the back then to bring the lighter colors out..ok. I will still get this sooner ot later.


Thanks all,
Allgood

Can you give example of companies that are currently using your designs on the Internet? I'd like to see some of your work in action.

Yes sure:
http://www.net-staffers.com http://www.singlesdatingnetwork.com http://www.iquoteshop.com http://www.lifeinsurancesavings.com


These are just a few.
Take care,
Allgood

just a note....Iquoteshop.com doesn't credit you...I be on them like white on rice for that!

Boudga...they have bought the exclusive rights to that design with no link back option.

can I ask how much that costed them?

not enough.......

I saw something like 100 bux for design templates (TOO LOW !!!)

and another couple bux for no link back.

~~givin it away~~~

.......................And another industry shoots itself in the foot, or better yet, head. Soon the going rate will be minimum wage.

I'm sorry heddaLettis but, those are not templates that I posted. Those coat more than the templates that we made. Those design that I have posted is what the customers wanted and cost I'll tell you in the range of 1000 dollars. The ones you see that we have a special on are athe ones we had for a long time and we are cleaning house to prepare for the new ones. I hope that helps.

Sorry Allgood, I re read my post and it sounds like a flame. It wasn't intended to be. Your designs are worth more than that "outdated" or not.

It's just disheartening to see designs like yours selling for 100$. (Even if they are "old". I think I'd s**tcan them before taking 100 bucks for them. And, after all, why do you need to clear them out? They taking up too much shelf space in the store?)

It 's becoming more and more apparent that prices are and have been falling. With the Stock Market "crash", and hundreds of people willing to work ".....for free- just gimme a chance!", the change is indeed underwayand steamrolling.

Look at the ads, compare them to ads a year ago. Salaries are going down, skill requirements are going up.

If we cheapen the field, we're not only screwing ourselves, but those who come after us, too.

There was a great thread about this a while ago.

BTW-This is from your page, no?

GEDA-online.com is now selling ALL their templates for the low
cost of $99,99 each for exclusive use no matter what price is
on the page right now. Because this is our second year
of working together as a team we have
decided to make this offer to our
friends and visitors who
have made us who
we are today.

I'm sorry, but to me this is just WRONG. You're a talented artist, don't sell yourselves short.


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I didn't take it that way heddaLettis...I know what you mean about people dropping the prices of their designs. Times indeed are tight and it seems that people are competing to get clients by going cheaper in order to get the job. It is hard to find work and clients that want something worth while but when you say 1000 or more they seem to say well my budget can't handle this and all that stuff. Sometime we compromise but nothing less than what we put into it. If they want something and they say 250...I tell them don't expect something that's going to look 1000 dollars worth.

What is a person to do? I really wish it was back to par cause I think we do good work for the price. I mean I think our designs are worth 1000 dollars...I think but, what company really would use interfaces like I make? Big business want business sites and that's what we are going after...the big business guys. Interfaces will not be used by big business people...I mean to my knowledge. I make them for those who like them and have a personal site that doesn't draw client but friends and they want to have a nice site to show.

Also, another thing is I still can't get the contrast thing to get thereally big clients yet...hahahahahah But, when I do, look out world. just kidding

I hope this letter make sense and all. I wish maybe one day we can all get together as a team and set the price for all to go by. No more no less than anyone else.

allgood - like this can ever happen... it is impossible to produce pages of identical quality and content, so changing the same amount is ludicrous. one just has to hope that people are charging a fair amount for their products and services, so that they all compare. so that designers can honestly say that "you get what you pay for".
...this, of course is not aimed at you! just a little rant about the 'bad designers' who charge a lot, and produce poor work.
this applies everywhere - coders, designers... and can send companies under when they have to pay twice as much as the original project to have their product fixed.
true, they should investigate more before purchasing these goods/services, but still....

Buncha:

Here's some terms you should familiarize yourself with::::

self-deprecation:

Generalization:

Conjecture:

Theory:

Fascitious:


Oh, ok, rip me, I'm outta here en-ways.

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hedda:
sorry if it sounded pretentious, that was not intended.
all i meant was that i find it far more acceptable for someone to decide to sell their prod/serv at below their estimated worth, but to knowingly charge more, taking advantage of the customer's naivety, that kinda pisses me off.
usually, its also partly the customer's fault, for looking for an easy way out of paying lots for a really good prod/serv, but still...
i was just trying to say that i prefer people saying "he's underselling himself" rather than "he charged HOW much for this excretion?"

Fascitious: um... not a word?
and one word for you: colon overkill? two words then....

and self deprecation: well, i dont think i need to bother. ill just try honesty, dont need to be played down - i work for $17/hour, and hell, im not even sure that they're getting their money's worth!

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