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bunchapixels Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 04-03-2001 07:43 hey peoples! hmmm... well, ive been to busy to get into the site reviews lately, sorry! i still pop in from time to time though! well, ive been assigned the task of trying to clean up one of our companies sites. ive already halved the loading time, but its still fairly second rate... the splash page is about as good as it can get (IMHO), but does anyone have any tips for optimisation of the home page? the images are as small as they can be too, so its more code related... if anyone can be bothered to provide some input, that would be muchly appreciated. http://www.apia.com.au
mr.maX Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Belgrade, Serbia Insane since: Sep 2000	posted 04-03-2001 08:05 If all images are small as much as they can be, then only thing left that can be done is to remove all whitespace characters from HTML code (tabs and spaces you use for indenting), but this can only save a few bytes (i.e. if you remove 1024 tabs from your HTML page, you'll save only 1Kb).
WarMage Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Rochester, New York, USA Insane since: May 2000	posted 04-03-2001 17:23 A picture is worth a thousand words, and is about a thousand times bigger in size that a word is too. If you want your site to be fast loading you will have to work on plain text. Plain text navigation, or plain text information. By using graphics everywhere your site may look really cool, but at the same time you are making it hard for those with slow connections to browse your page. Look into that. My solution for the day, may not be as easy to implement as removing the white space would be. -mage-
Boudga Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Jacks raging bile duct.... Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 04-03-2001 17:55 rename your html page with a .txt extension and dump the pictures....that bitch'll load like the dickens!
bunchapixels Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 04-04-2001 08:44 ok, well, thanks for trying fellas, but that aint gonna happen. um, i dont mean to sound arrogant - if i had of designed the site, i would have given serious thought to a heck of a lot more text instead of images. but i didnt, and i cant change that, cause the managers paid so friggin much for the site to look like it is. mr.Max - um, no, there is much more you can do. a simple search for " " and replace with " " may take a few bytes of it, but this aint the kinda cleaning im talking about. the stuff i have already done to it, to speed it up, is simply trying to find a different way of showing the same page. for example, taking out a few dozen unnecessary tables. um, ok, if anyone out there knows any other things as far as optimising page rendering goes, ill be very appreciative. but only if you have a suggestion that isnt one of less code, smaller image size, less tables, specified image sizes, or less images - ive looked at these. any other ideas? PLEASE? <edit> uh, sorry guys, i think that sounded rude - i was annoyed at the fact that you guys gave suggestions that were great, and what i wanted to do, but were unable to do. oh bloody oh blooda, life goes on! </edit> [This message has been edited by bunchapixels (edited 04-04-2001).]
DocOzone Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there... From: Stockholm, Sweden Insane since: Mar 1994	posted 04-04-2001 09:17 Hmm, in terms of trimming the code presentation, usually the best way for me is to simply dump all of the images loose in a pile and put them back together by hand, without even looking at the disgusting mess the last firm made of it! Hmm, from http://www2.imagiware.com/RxHTML/ --> "The text and HTML commands of the document take up 21.3 K." "The total number of bytes in images found on your web page is 38.5 KB." Hmm, 2 <body> tags? That was odd. I'm imagining that by simply writing the display tables by hand you could trim 5-6k off of this bad boy. Not much else to offer other than that, since you won't let us bash at the color choisces and design elements, dammit! (I hate that web-safe yellow, yuck!) Your pal, -doc-
bunchapixels Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 04-06-2001 05:40 doc - feel free to bash away at the deisgn, i would love to hear it. just remember that a) i didnt design it, so i cant be offended. b) i cant change it. edit - oh and thanks for your info! prob is, the page is only in plain HTML format the second before it is presented to the user. until then, its in database components, so it aint that easy to change. and the two stupid body tags is also an error that is part of the page renderer... such is life! [This message has been edited by bunchapixels (edited 04-06-2001).]
Allewyn Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Solitary confinement Insane since: Feb 2001	posted 04-23-2001 04:45 Whoa that's a very cool link Doc. Showed some errors in my page. Glad I saw that!

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bunchapixels
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 04-03-2001 07:43

hey peoples!
hmmm... well, ive been to busy to get into the site reviews lately, sorry!
i still pop in from time to time though!
well, ive been assigned the task of trying to clean up one of our companies sites.
ive already halved the loading time, but its still fairly second rate...
the splash page is about as good as it can get (IMHO), but does anyone have any tips for optimisation of the home page?
the images are as small as they can be too, so its more code related...
if anyone can be bothered to provide some input, that would be muchly appreciated. http://www.apia.com.au

mr.maX
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted 04-03-2001 08:05

If all images are small as much as they can be, then only thing left that can be done is to remove all whitespace characters from HTML code (tabs and spaces you use for indenting), but this can only save a few bytes (i.e. if you remove 1024 tabs from your HTML page, you'll save only 1Kb).

WarMage
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Rochester, New York, USA
Insane since: May 2000

posted 04-03-2001 17:23

A picture is worth a thousand words, and is about a thousand times bigger in size that a word is too.

If you want your site to be fast loading you will have to work on plain text. Plain text navigation, or plain text information. By using graphics everywhere your site may look really cool, but at the same time you are making it hard for those with slow connections to browse your page.

Look into that.

My solution for the day, may not be as easy to implement as removing the white space would be.

-mage-

Boudga
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Jacks raging bile duct....
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 04-03-2001 17:55

rename your html page with a .txt extension and dump the pictures....that bitch'll load like the dickens!

bunchapixels
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 04-04-2001 08:44

ok, well, thanks for trying fellas, but that aint gonna happen.
um, i dont mean to sound arrogant - if i had of designed the site, i would have given serious thought to a heck of a lot more text instead of images. but i didnt, and i cant change that, cause the managers paid so friggin much for the site to look like it is.
mr.Max - um, no, there is much more you can do.
a simple search for " " and replace with " " may take a few bytes of it, but this aint the kinda cleaning im talking about.
the stuff i have already done to it, to speed it up, is simply trying to find a different way of showing the same page.
for example, taking out a few dozen unnecessary tables.
um, ok, if anyone out there knows any other things as far as optimising page rendering goes, ill be very appreciative. but only if you have a suggestion that isnt one of less code, smaller image size, less tables, specified image sizes, or less images - ive looked at these.
any other ideas? PLEASE?

<edit> uh, sorry guys, i think that sounded rude - i was annoyed at the fact that you guys gave suggestions that were great, and what i wanted to do, but were unable to do. oh bloody oh blooda, life goes on! </edit>

[This message has been edited by bunchapixels (edited 04-04-2001).]

DocOzone
Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist
Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there...

From: Stockholm, Sweden
Insane since: Mar 1994

posted 04-04-2001 09:17

Hmm, in terms of trimming the code presentation, usually the best way for me is to simply dump all of the images loose in a pile and put them back together by hand, without even *looking* at the disgusting mess the last firm made of it!

Hmm, from http://www2.imagiware.com/RxHTML/ -->

"The text and HTML commands of the document take up 21.3 K."
"The total number of bytes in images found on your web page is 38.5 KB."

Hmm, 2 <body> tags? That was odd. I'm imagining that by simply writing the display tables by hand you could trim 5-6k off of this bad boy. Not much else to offer other than that, since you won't let us bash at the color choisces and design elements, dammit! (I hate that web-safe yellow, yuck!)

Your pal, -doc-

bunchapixels
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 04-06-2001 05:40

doc - feel free to bash away at the deisgn, i would love to hear it.
just remember that
a) i didnt design it, so i cant be offended.
b) i cant change it.

edit - oh and thanks for your info!
prob is, the page is only in plain HTML format the second before it is presented to the user. until then, its in database components, so it aint that easy to change. and the two stupid body tags is also an error that is part of the page renderer...
such is life!

[This message has been edited by bunchapixels (edited 04-06-2001).]

Allewyn
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Solitary confinement
Insane since: Feb 2001

posted 04-23-2001 04:45

Whoa that's a very cool link Doc. Showed some errors in my page. Glad I saw that!