Topic: XUL?? (Page 1 of 1)

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The XML approach to creating web based application (read:real applications) either using XUL or what microsoft is attempting with Avalon/XAML is going to be the future, at least for a few years. XML is a much higher level way of making applications, and as the computers get more powerful higher level programming thew interpretive languages becomes more and more feasible.

It is interesting because, for a lack of a better phrase, its "fucking cool" and has to potensial to make things much easier and seemless meld the application and standard web enviornments. The mozilla foundation recently had some teleconfrences with the Gnome foundation because they believe that this is the future of programming, and if Microsoft gets the domination via Avalon/XAML it will simply crush the rest of the market.


If you are using a mozilla browser you should be able to view this simple test. This file is all inclusive XUL code which is pretty cool. Not that it actually does anything. But it was a nice proof that it actually works.
http://www.codetown.org/test.xul

I used http://www.xulplanet.com/tutorials/xultu/ as the place which I stole most of the code for the simple test.

Where does this leave us in terms of feasability. It leaves us with the idea that this is some damned good technology, with no nearly a large enough userbase to make it worthwhile yet. It also is putting us in a position of a huge technology battle much like the browser wars of the 90's. The XML application technologies are truely amazing but they are not ready for wide use yet.

That was a whole lot of saying nothing. What I would recommend that if you are an applications programmer you learn this, it is not hard compared to any other language you would have used, and stay on top of developments in the technology, watch microsoft, make sure you know their specs for Avalon/XAML I haven't seen many solid examples of this yet, but keep your eyes peeled. If you are a web programmer I would say learn this, it is similar to everything else you would be doing.

This just might be the future of applications programming and web programming. If that is what you are into then you need to pay special attention to this. Don't be caught with your pants down, this is the Java Applet on crack, heroine and speed without any mind numbing side affects. There will still be Java and C programming out there (I can't see C going away any time soon), but this technology might just really take off.

I hardly think it will be Mozilla's XUL that blows up as most CEO's only see microsoft, but microsofts technology is never all that different than other techs.



(Edited by WarMage on 05-27-2004 21:10)

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XML is in everything now. I can't wait till XML parsing tools become the standard. Automatic SVG rendering, MathML, XUL, XAML and everything else, it will be a great day when it all comes together. Right now it is just a lot of really excellent stands all over the place with no core interpreting engine that is built into the operating system's core user-land tools.

Java would have been just like this had they gotten seemless browser integration as well as seemless operating system level integration. If the user didn't even know Java existed to run java applications it would be great. I think the OSX has this type of service, but none of the other operating systems do. Java would have really blown up if this happened. It is still being used, god knows I use it every day but it is not going to be as prevalent as it could have been.

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There are several ways to create applications using XML that's identical to XUL or XAML.
You can do it, I can do it..
It's very, very easy, programmatically, to create your own application markup language - and the only way Microsoft will dominate the market is if developers fail to do exactly that.
- My company created something similar, a markup language called Liquid, which is now embedded in MioFactory (http://www.mioplanet.com) but we used to recieve a very cold response indeed.
Nobody wanted to play because it was'nt standard, but there where no standards around at that time anyway.
When XAML became more publically known however, the interest rose like a rocket, and we where asked to emulate it.
- That's where we bailed out though, because this is what I mean will secure Microsofts dominance - pure fear of developing new ideas freely.
Sometimes, standards are'nt a good thing - the explosion of ideas is needed, and the offbeat chance that one of them just happen to hit home good enough to kill off the monopoly.
- You can't predict a hit, XUL might or might not be enough.
There should be a floodwave of new technologies flooding the market , marginalizing XAML instead, and they should all support XUL directly or indirectly.

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