Preserved Topic: Two Arrested and Charged in E-Mail Theft

NYTimes Article
it's nice to see that they're actually going after people for this stuff

I think you may have posted the wrong link.. cos it's a register and login page...

QUOTATION: "The trouble with a rat race is that even when you win, you're still a rat.''

Nope that is the right link, you just have to register to be able to read it. Since registration is free, it doesn't hurt to do it.

Good to see that they are using the law, now that they finally have it. Hopefully it will continue, and not stop after a couple of show cases used to display that the law the is usefull...

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WarMage, that site rocks!

Do I have to go through that whole process of registering just to find out what this thread is about?.. wow. couldnt ya just give us a little clue?

QUOTATION: "The trouble with a rat race is that even when you win, you're still a rat.''

I think this may be what you are referring to:

Link1
Link2
Link3

Ramasax

sorry, forgot that ya had to register to see the stories. thanks for throwing up other links ramasax

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Xpirex said:

Do I have to go through that whole process of registering
just to find out what this thread is about?.. wow. couldnt ya just give
us a little clue?

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clearly, if you've got enough time to come in here and bitch, you've got enough time to register.
if you don't want to register, click the links the other inmates so graciously provided. either way, quit fuckin whinin

Hey where's your sense of humour!!? Just cos' you were too retarded to check what you were posting Lazycuna there's no need to be a bitch. Tu m'emmerdes!!!

Or as hey say in Hebrew "Lakeki li a hadagdegan, zonah!"

QUOTATION: "The trouble with a rat race is that even when you win, you're still a rat.''



(Edited by Xpirex on 06-25-2004 10:47)

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Xpirex said:

Hey where's your sense of humour!!? Just cos' you were too retarded to check what you were posting Lazycuna there's no need to be a bitch. Tu m'emmerdes!!! Or as hey say in Hebrew "Lakeki li a hadagdegan, zonah!" (Edited by Xpirexon 06-25-2004 10:47)

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Thats way over the line!! I don't care that the abuse is in another language - its still abuse.

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I've consulted on this and banned Xpirex.

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And for the record it was me with whom Emperor consulted.

I would like it offically noted for the record that we consider any behaviour like this totally unacceptable, whether it takes place in English or not. My email is in my cell records if Xpirex would like to drop me an email explaining his actions, then I will recieve it and consider it. Until then the account will remain banned until an apology is made to Lacuna through me or Emperor. And even the the apology had better be damn good, and regardless of when it arrives the account will remain blocked for at least one week. And even then, Lacuna, you may choose not to accept the apology, and the account will remain blocked.

And if Xpirex chooses not to apologise, then I don't think we're going to suffer too terribly much without his presence, if this is an example of his regard for our policies and for common human courtesy.

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And even then, Lacuna, you may choose not to accept the apology, and the account will remain blocked.

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I'd support that idea.

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Wow, no warning just a ban?

This place has really gone to the shitter. We survived through morons like Doc Cyber and the like only to end up doing this?

Seems we've taken a step back.

Oh, and WM: Great link on the bugmenot thing. That's very spiffy.

:::11oh1:::

(Edited by krets on 06-25-2004 23:32)

No krets...Xpirex has had warning about his behaviour in the past. This went a couple of steps too far.

Er, dare I ask for a hint about what he said to get banned? I can't read Hebrew.


 

You probably don't want ot know, and I most certainly don't want ot post the translations here, so I'll email them to you

If any of you want to know what it means, here's the link.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Lakeki+li+a+hadagdegan%2C+zonah&ie=UTF-8&hl=pt&btnG=Pesquisa+Google&lr=

Banning Xpirex? How petty. Lacuna was plain nasty to him with that response.

Skaarj there is no email address in your cell records.. i guess that's by design as you don't want him to have a chance to reply.

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My email is in my cell records if Xpirex would like to drop me an email explaining his actions, then I will receive it and consider it. Until then the account will remain banned until an apology is made to Lacuna through me or Emperor. And even the apology had better be damn good, and regardless of when it arrives the account will remain blocked for at least one week. And even then, Lacuna, you may choose not to accept the apology, and the account will remain blocked.

And if Xpirex chooses not to apologise, then I don't think we're going to suffer too terribly much without his presence, if this is an example of his regard for our policies and for common human courtesy.

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I hardly think he's going to or even should apologise or even mail you anyway as even your whole tone is rather malicious. You are supposed to be neutral.

What a bunch of sissy's. This place is kind of anal. Go ahead ban me too now.. I dislike your attitudes in ENGLISH!

(and yes I do know him.. and as you won't let him speak with your gagging order and pretend emails, I registered so that something can be said about this)

(Edited by Junk on 06-26-2004 12:56)

Junk: You seem to have gracefully avoided the key issue - do you think it was acceptable for him to say what he said?

As you are new here you will have missed all the other posts where they acted belligerently (even to those people who largely upported his point) and seemed intent on eventually getting banned (specifically being banned by me for some reason) and he pushed until he got that wish.

[edit: On the email front there has been some confusion as we have moved over to a new forum and the email addresses are hidden by default and I don't think most people have changed it back.]

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(Edited by Emperor on 06-26-2004 14:33)

Stop lying. ? he told me he emailed you and Lacuna instantly on seeing the ban and you Emp have not bothered to even respond... Probably because he did not apologise and kiss ass.

I have looked at various posts and seen people having blasts at each other with no such consequences, There have been raging battles and insults.. but no bans. You too have just had it in for him for a while now and have stalked you opportunity.

Why is that Lacuna creature not admonished for it's 'unpleasantness'? Why? Because he is part of your inner circle.

Maybe Xpirex should not have complimented Lacuna in such a way. ? but an instant ban by you predators in waiting.?? That just plain sucks and stinks. ? he's been here since March 2004 according to the profile info. ? and you chop him in an instant. Great.... lovely people.. I'd hate to be your friends in the real world. You thnk way too much of yourselves and the virtual power you wield.

Well.. not much good has ever come out of Liverpool?

(Edited by Junk on 06-26-2004 17:34)

Can you honestly see no difference, Junk, between telling someone to stop whining and what Xpirex said?

I just love when people are admonished for their unacceptable behavior and blame the "establishment" for what happened.

Incidentally, who ever said we were supposed to be neutral?

But, Emps, I do have to agree that you have "stalked you opportunity."

Wait ... maybe that doesn't mean what I think it means. What does that mean? And what's a "gagging order"?

junk, you're way over the line - calm down man. Read up on who said what, and then come back and accuse someone of lying.

As you discovered, emails not being shown at the moment has not been a problem - since xpirex apperantly had emps email, or how could he've emailed him otherwhise?
No response means 'message not (yet) received' - get that into your head, and you'll see the world isn't quite that much after you after all - and no one lives on the net 24h a day.

Bad language (your 'unpleasantness') has always been one thing, but harrassing some one is not appropriate - see the forum rules under ->addAccount, which Xpirex saw when he signed up (the relevant parts have not been changed with the recent software upgrade). Telling you your actions are bloody stupid is different from claiming that you're bloody stupid.

Neithre does this seem to me to be an instant-ban - xpirex has indeed been here a few months, and quite frankly, he wasn't always the inmate I would've showed to my mother, and had been warned.

Nevertheless, Xpirex can get his account back - if lacuna, the one he personally insulted and harrased, accepts his apologies.
The Asylum has never banned any one person permamently - we have banned people temporarly to clear up situations or calm them down - and we won't give up that policy.
But Xpirex has to do his part to clean up the mess he created.

so long,

->Tyberius Prime

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PS: Any Mad Scientist has the power to ban or unban an account here - if you feel emps is biased, talk to some one else. Only Few of us have no way to contact them listed in their profile.

(Edited by Tyberius Prime on 06-26-2004 18:20)

Junk: Sidestepping the jibes and insults:

1. I haven't replied because, given the issues, I am consulting wtth our Mad Scis about my reply.

2. We don't discourage strong/robust debate (or swearing) but we'd rather we kept things civil and if people have a problem with someone they can speak to a mod or take it to email - they do not let loose with vile abuse. We do have guidelines here:

Asylum Etiquette

What are the Don'ts?

and in the Doc's absence we try to interpret them as best we can. As far as I'm concerned the abuse in that post was well over the line of what was acceptable here.

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I clicked that Google link for the translation and that's all it means? I thought it was something violent or far more crude than that. I've seen more abrasive exchanges than that here in the Asylum and no one ever got banned as a result of them. Considering that it was Lacuna (in my eyes at least) that initiated the flaming with "quit fuckin whinin" it seems a little hasty to me that Xpirex was banned.

:::11oh1:::

krets: As far as I'm concerned calling a woman a whore is:

1. Personally unacceptable.

2. It goes against the guidelines designed to make the forum more woman friendly:

What are the Don'ts?

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Again, in the past I've seen far worse things than this go by. Imagine the verbal brimstone that would have been rained down if "quit fuckin whinin" would have been directed at someone like milker, dg, or even dl. It was pretty clear to me that the insult was not meant to infer that lacuna is literally a whore.

To me the more appropriate course of action would have been to delete or edit the comment and then shoot off an email. Just my opinion and since I'm not as active here as I used to be (mostly because of situations similar to this) you can take it or leave it.

:::11oh1:::

Ahhhhhhhhh but I wasn't around in those glory days so its a "not on my watch" kind of thing.

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You guys are such a bunch of fucking morons...

You just ban him because he cursed in hebrew? wtf? How many people have cursed on this forum befre? even in the relatively short period of time that I've been a member I've seen worse replies, even if they werent full of curse terms, many posts from your favorite sharks have been much more degrading and insulting to persons.

At least Lacuna should be chasticed for provoking (not expect a fucking apology letter from) xpi. If you ask me - posting a link to NYT registration is as bad a tone as cursing in hebrew. Wanna make a nice post? put in a freaking quotation. Nobody wants to register somewhere to see some stupid article about email theft...

Im pretty sure if the post was done by Zigot or some other similar character, he'd be the one cursed, and everyone who'd curse him would be backed up by other morons.

The more posts I read on this god-forsaken forum the less I wanna post... I think you guys should just stop accepting new member registrations and just fuck each other up the ass in your little circle.

Firstly, I'd just like to say that it was not my intention to get a whole mess stirred up.

As for my comment, it is what it is. Yes, it was a bit snotty. Yes, I could have worded it differently, but I didn't. I felt at the time (and still do) that he was whining, and flopped my opinion out there. Also in my opinion it ranks in there with RTFM or STFU... not necessarily nice but not that big of a deal (unless of course, ya wanna make one). It hardly justifies the verbal vomit spewed forth by Xpirex. It?s one thing to take issue with me telling him to quit fuckin whinin, it's a whole other to act like a child and start name calling and saying the shit he said. Honestly, I wasn't too miffed or all that surprised by lazy, retard or bitch, as that is par for the course when it comes to Xpirex and his skills in dealing with people. It was the other comments that chapped my ass. Ya wanna call me a bitch, fine, it's a matter of opinion, but the non-english comments went WAY beyond that and were totally uncalled for. Did it hurt my sensitive lil feelers? No. Is it the end of the world? No. But it's just the point that there's no reason to behave that way.

I have gotten an email from Xpirex, which I have passed on to the mods involved. It was not an apology. Nor was any responsibility taken on his part for the comments that were made. Ultimately what happens with Xpirex should not in any way be a decision that I have any say in, as I?m entirely too biased. However, I don't see that a permanent ban would serve the greater good (at this point anyway)

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Imagine the verbal brimstone that would have been rained down if "quit fuckin whinin" would have been directed at someone like milker, dg, or even dl.

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Kind of a moot point don't ya think? They wouldn't have been whining to begin with, but I can assure you, that even if it would have been one of them, yes, I?d have still said it. The difference is they wouldn't have come unraveled over it. Nor would Peter or Jamie have went off on a name calling tirade and I think I?m safe in saying that they wouldn't have seriously called me a whore (slut possibly, but definitely not whore ). Though, I don?t see how useful it is to speculate on how someone else may or may not have reacted.

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asptamer said:
The more posts I read on this god-forsaken forum the less I wanna
post... I think you guys should just stop accepting new member
registrations and just fuck each other up the ass in your little circle.

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asptamer: you are not impelled to post here....just leave if you like. you dont have to tell us why...

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If y'all would kindly take the real issue of this discussion to: The fucking difference between cursing and and calling someone a whore. [Xpirex] over in the Mad Scientists forum - thank you.