Topic awaiting preservation: Murder/Mutilation of Animals for Art? (Page 1 of 1)

This woman kills, mutilates, and then mounds the corpses in an arrangement so she can photograph them. Now, at first glance I thought these photos were executed very well (pun definitely NOT intended). But, the more you look closely the more you see, these animals are freaking dead.

Link to her gallery (slightly graphic, extremely offensive content):

http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/archive/nathalia/nathalia_main.htm#

Link to her justification of her art:

http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/newsletter/newsletter.htm




She kills cats and rabbits.... My buddha, cats and rabbits... Oh and of course it's for art. I don't know what's more depressing, the pictures or her attempt to justify herself.

I think she's a sick bitch.

I think there's a vast difference between people who kill animals to eat them and people who kill in the name of silly, pretentious bullshit. Manipulate a photo for god's sake. Why kill a creature and mutilate it? What a vile pig.

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There was an article about her in a several months previous issue of Razor Magazine.

There's another guy who uses rats to make "rat balls" which look like giant yarn balls with which cats play.

In Germany, there's a museum of flesh which uses human corpses for display.

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(Edited by metahuman on 10-26-2004 05:01)

I'd have only one thing to say to a person like that. Get a life.

Ramasax

Okay, maybe it's just me, but I find those pictures to be incredibly awesome.

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Sure the pictures are awesome. Really. But they can all be done entirely by photo manipulation or with living animals. No need to mutilate some animals. Even the slightly distorted expression and abnormal face she's looking for can be done. Of course it needs more work than just killing an cat/mouse/rabbit/...

That freak deserves to be bashed with a computer and the manual of PhotoShop until she learns how to use them to stop mutilating animals.

I think the important thing is, is she good looking?
Her art is something, I think that she has made a great point
artistically, in that this sort of thing can not be tolerated by anyone else
from an artist perspective, now it is a so to speak "dead issue".

BMF

There's a difference between killing something for food--yes something required by people and killing animals and playing with their severed heads. It's like if the terrorists played kick ball with the heads of the people they captured.

Sick bitch.

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As for the question on wether it is acceptable; legally, it is. Anyone can kill an animal, provided the animal doesn't suffer needlessly. (Otherwise, butchers would be out of a job.) The problem here is the definition of needlessly suffering. These pictures, while skillfully made, serve no purpose whatsoever. Of course, 'artists' live by controversy, but this is taking it one step too far.

Also, I'm waiting for an 'artist' to make 'art' of aborted baby fetuses. It WILL happen.

What can I say? I'm a pessimist.

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In Germany, there's a museum of flesh which uses human corpses for display.

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All these persons have given permission, and every one of them has died a natural death. That's more than wha can be said of these animals.



(Edited by mahjqa on 11-05-2004 01:22)

I personally find it interesting and aethetic =)

pretty unique.

Her justification basically boils down to: "Because they are beautiful, I am justified. Art that isn't beautiful would not be justified in doing what I'm doing."

Sick.

Don't get me wrong, the pictures are amazing, but I would *much* rather see just about any other kind of art than that which puts dead animals on display.

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Yet another interesting sig mahjqa.

Is that a quick throw together for this particular post or is that something you have been working on?

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I made the graphic to use on another forum at some point, in a discussion about genetic manipulation.



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It's just an illustration af a baby in a jar. The question was how moral such a thing would be.

Anyway, I sig-ified it a bit. Nothing that brilliant, but not bad either.



(Edited by mahjqa on 11-07-2004 02:27)

Not a single person who has posted in this thread *needs* to eat animals for food.

Yet there seems to be a lot of condemnation for this "art".

May I ask what difference is there really between killing animals because you really like the flavor versus killing them because you really like the way their corpses look?

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"Art" doesn't fill my tummy. It satisfies some less basic desire for intelligent thought (though very limited in my case) but that's on a lower priority scale than a nice, tasty slab of meat. Animals give healthy nutrition, which is why vegetarians and vegans often need to consume dietary supplements to stay in healthy shape. (Not that overdosing on burgers is good, moderation is a good thing)

And hey. Giving up some pictures, even though they're nice isn't such a big decision (at least for me) than deciding to give up meat forever.

Plus, most people (including myself) don't like to consider the painful and humiliating route our nice ex-cow had to go to become steak. We console ourselves with the fact that they propably didn't suffer much, compared to the kitties and dogs that maybe were slaughtered in the name of art.

Bugs, try as I might, even being a carnivore I cannot argue there.

If meat were taken off the shelves it would not bother me too much and in doing so I would have to guess that a lot of the grains fed to animals could be directly transferred to feeding the world's hungry. I wonder what the waste ratio is when you consider the amount of grain a cow eats before reaching slaughtering age. Probably enough to feed a family of four in a famine plagued nation for a month. Sad.

Let me fill you in on how cows are slaughtered for some comparison to her methods. When working for Outback Steakhouse many years ago in management I made a trip to Bruss Corporation, former provider of their beef. The cows were shipped in from primarily factory farms, wretched looking creatures. They were then placed on a large conveyor belt, and then a massive pillar came from the side crushing their skulls. They were then sawed apart for their prime cuts. Much went to waste. It should also be noted, that oft times when the cows are initially sawed apart, they are sometimes still alive. It was really a gruesome and eye-opening experience. I have since cut back drastically on my intake of meat but could not concede to giving it up entirely. I still need that bloodly steak now and again.

In the end though, it does not make what this woman is doing any better and I still think she needs to get a life, or at least a copy of Photoshop.

Ramasax

To me, one of most disturbing picture is the one for which she killed 5 white mices, cut off their rear, removed the guts, and put the bodies on her fingers ( or that of a model ) as if it was a sort of glove.

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They were then placed on a large conveyor belt, and then a massive pillar came from the side crushing their skulls

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AFAIK the cows are electrocuted with a stick placed on their neck or head.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I only know what I saw in one place.

Ramasax

Bugs: Before you hop on the vegetarian high horse here, please remember that everything we do every single day has an adverse effect on animals. Please don't start with the BS vegetarian propaganda.

Even though the thought of what this woman does for art disturbs me, I don't really see how she could be forced to stop. What about hunting? Clearly these people don't need to hunt to survive so the whole "hunting for food" excuse craps out. They go out, kill an animal, and then mount some part of it's body in their trophy room.

How is that so different from what this woman is doing?


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(Edited by krets on 11-14-2004 21:17)

I can't figure out what some of you are impressed over. She's a talentless hack who has to resort to controversy to make money. There's a simple reason why she kills and uses real animals instead of doing a photo manipulation - it creates controversy. Had those same photos have been posted in the Photoshop forum with the understanding that InSiDeR did the photo manip himself, the response would have been bland.

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Not a single person who has posted in this thread *needs* to eat animals for food.

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Many would find it un-natural to do what she did, just as it's un-natural to be a vegitarian. Animals have eaten eachother for millions of years; however, I've never seen one kill a companion of theirs just because they thought that they'd look pretty stuffed in a jar.

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I think it is disgusting and I agree with Jestah that there is nothing to be impressed with here. Certainly not artistic.
Yes, I am a vegetarian and have been for over thirty years, but I'll try not to jump on a horse of any height, to condemm the inhumane way animals are treated for any reason, nutrition or "art". Not everything I (or many others) do every day has an adverse affect on animals.
Mahjqa, meat, as it is produced today, is not as healthy as a veg diet, I only occasionally use dietary supplements, about once a year, if that. This idea of vegetarians needing all kinds of suppliments to stay healthy is the BS carnivore propaganda.
I also know in a world where my fellow humans seem to think nothing of torture and murdering other humans for little or no reason, that it is no wonder at all that animals are treated in this way.
*Steps off soapbox*

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mahjqa

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quote: In Germany, there's a museum of flesh which uses human corpses for display.



All these persons have given permission, and every one of them has died a natural death. That's more than wha can be said of these animals.

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Actually, that is not true Daughter's fury at father's corpse in art exhibition

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Police in Siberia arrested Vladimir Novosyolov, head of criminal pathology in Novosibirsk, in October 2002, alleging he had misled relatives by saying their loved ones' corpses had been cremated. Fifty-six bodies had allegedly been sold through a Russian medical institute to von Hagens's Institute of Plastination in Heidelberg.

The row intensified last week when von Hagens was accused by a German news magazine of accepting the bodies of executed Chinese prisoners as exhibits. He said the allegations were 'highly improbable', but offered to return seven bodies to China as he could not prove they had not been shot in the head, as executed prisoners are.

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That with the chinese corpses was pretty well documented by a camera team from germany (I saw it).

As for using animals for art - mankind has been doing it since time immortal - stuffed animal trophies are just an example. Though I would prefer that the animal be given the respect due to it before the slaughter.

(Edited by WebShaman on 11-15-2004 11:51)

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Bugs: Before you hop on the vegetarian high horse here, please remember that everything we do every single day has an adverse effect on animals. Please don't start with the BS vegetarian propaganda.

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LOL!!! But I like the view from way up here I merely stated a fact then asked a question to stimulate some discussion.

But I agree with you that many of the things we do daily adversely affect animals and our envrironment. It doesn't hurt to keep them and it in mind.

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however, I've never seen one kill a companion of theirs just because they thought that they'd look pretty stuffed in a jar.

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I would hate to live in a world where humans always, as compared to often, acted according to nature's rules. Because there are animals that kill for fun other than us. The case that comes to mind is killer whales when they hunt for baby seals on the coastline. They will attack them as they venture into the ocean for the first time and flip them out of the water and whack them around until dead. They don't always eat them and seem to just do this for sport. I saw that on a television documentary one day, it was fascinating.

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Tao said:

This idea of vegetarians needing all kinds of suppliments to stay healthy is the BS carnivore propaganda.

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I rarely take supplements either and I'm still kicking

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krets said:
They go out, kill an animal, and then mount some part of it's body in their trophy room.

How is that so different from what this woman is doing?

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Not a whole lot different at all.

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krets said:

Bugs: Before you hop on the vegetarian high horse here, please remember that everything we do every single day has an adverse effect on animals. Please don't start with the BS vegetarian propaganda.

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LOL!!! But I like the view from way up here I merely stated a fact then asked a question to stimulate some discussion.

But I agree with you that many of the things we do daily adversely affect animals and our envrironment. It doesn't hurt to keep them and it in mind.

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tntcheats said:

however, I've never seen one kill a companion of theirs just because they thought that they'd look pretty stuffed in a jar.

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I would hate to live in a world where humans always, as compared to often, acted according to nature's rules. Because there are animals that kill for fun other than us. The case that comes to mind is killer whales when they hunt for baby seals on the coastline. They will attack them as they venture into the ocean for the first time and flip them out of the water and whack them around until dead. They don't always eat them and seem to just do this for sport. I saw that on a television documentary one day, it was fascinating.

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Tao said:

This idea of vegetarians needing all kinds of suppliments to stay healthy is the BS carnivore propaganda.

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I rarely take supplements either and I'm still kicking

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