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Well did my duty and went out and voted today. I don't know about where you live but out here in San Francisco there seems to be much more of a buzz around this election than any previous. There's people all over the place pushing their city supes and their pet state propositions. (In this town the presidential election is pretty much a given for Kerry).

Anyone else seeing the same things?



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I also did my duty this morning.
Aside from the general stuff, they've also been pushing the legalization of pot and a bill making bear baiting illegal.
Though, there have been quite a few people trying to push for the odd thing here and there. No doubt they're tryin to take advantage of the large voter turn out for this election. Fortunately, nothing stranger than pot and bear baiting made it onto the ballot here.

I'll be voting later this afteroon. I've heard from friends that there is a huge turn out. I think that the propositions here in CA have a lot of people more interesting in voting.

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Has anybody else heard about Michael Moore setting up (I think was it) thousands of camera men at all the voting polls in Ohio just to make sure there was no voting discrepency? I think he's just doing this so if Bush wins, he'll have something to bitch about.

A little off topic, sorry. I'm not old enough to vote yet =\.

As I'm away in school I sent in my absentee ballot about two weeks ago.

I voted too, A big thing on our ballot in FL was raising minimum wage from 5.15 to 6.15. a lot of people are complaining about looong lines, but I live in a tiny precinct out in BFE so I didn't even have to wait in line =)

The "meadya" is full of it over hear in England too. It seems the concensus of opinion is that it will be either;
A) Too close to call, so decided by lawyers after weeks of wrangling
or
B) Bush scrapes in collecting the extra votes he needed from the relatively large turnout.
The world is watching....
On a lighter note *ding*. Reading Lacunas post

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Aside from the general stuff, they've also been pushing the legalization of pot and a bill making bear baiting illegal.

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put a picture in my head, so I fired up PS and dug it out.



Tao

(Edited by Tao on 11-02-2004 22:04)

I did my duty too. Our precinct is pretty big, but the best time to go is in the afternoon when every one else is working. The big vote here other than the president vote is kind of going to a ward system with our city council, so that every section has a voice in the council.

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Community here in So Oregon has been conservative in the past. Turned in ballot last Friday and wiating to see what happens. I love this country and haven't missed an election in decades...

Insider, He is sending out 1200 people to film voting booths for irregularities.

However this is in response to the republicans ability to challenge voters .

Both sides are playing stupid tricks at the booths.



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For a French, seeing an election with an indirect poll is always odd.
But it's great to see the poll offices open as long as there's some people queueing(?) to vote.

I am not citizen...fuck....no voting for me....=(

A lot of jabs at the booths here in Detroit. Pugzly, my sorrows for turnouts in Macomb County (I'm sure you know what I'm referring to).

I'm glad I got up early and spent a total of 15 minutes at the poll. A very calm voting location walking distance from my digs.

Wow, I've heard an estimation of the vote of the muslim-american community. It looked like :
~93% for Kerry
~5% for Nader
~1% for Bush

It seems they don't appreciate the 100,000+ civil casualties of the war in Iraq.

in one of the "international" online elections iraq was one of the few countries that strongly supported bush...interesting.

i tried to vote this afternoon but apparently my registration was screwed up, i was still registered at my parents' old address and somewhere along the line my registration was moved to a town like 40 minutes away if i wanted to "provisionally" vote, which basically meant my vote wouldn't have counted anyway. bleah.

ah well, at least i'm not in a critical presidential state, texas is pretty clear cut...

chris


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Where did you hear that, poi?

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I heard that on the French channel LCI and TF1 ( alas I don't have cable or satelitte TV in my flat ), covering the ballot during the whole night and having some reporters in the US and obviously keeping a close eye to the US networks ( ABC, CBS, FOX, CNN, ... ) and websites ( I managed to see the URL of is c-span.org, not hard seeing the big header ).

Sorry I don't remember the source they cited for this estimation. It probably came from the CAIR ( Council on American-Islamic Relations ), but alas I can't claim that for sure. And notice that generally I prefer the tone of the public French channel who are a bit less after doing a lot of audience than private channel like LCI/TF1. Alas the special shows about the US elections stopped at 2:15 AM on the public channels and will start again at 6 AM



(Edited by poi on 11-03-2004 05:03)

If the source was CAIR, then the statistics you cite are not a surprise in the least.

I'm watching the election results here at home and plan to throughout the evening. It is soooo close. It does not look like there will be a clear winner tonight the way it's going right now.

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Yep, I doesn't surprise me either, but even if the source really is the CAIR and they over estimated the vote of their community on Kerry, the trend is extremely clear nonetheless among them.

Like you I fear there won't be a clear winner in the next hours/days.

I've previously never been bothered longer than 5 or 10 minutes with voting and that's from not being prepared and having to read through all the questions; today it took 45 minutes at an "off time". The line I waited in was probably as long as a city block.

watching here too bugs, have foxnews.com and cnn.com up as well. its looking interesting, kerry has pennsylvania but it looks like bush may take florida by a pretty solid margin (about 250,000 votes) which should give him the state even with absentee votes factored in. if that happens i think things start leaning clearly bush's way.

chris


KAIROSinteractive | tangent oriented

Ohio seems to be the one to watch right now. Kerry needs Ohio to win this. If Bush takes it, I think he wins. If Kerry gets Ohio, there's still an outside chance Bush could win.

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hmmm...IMHO...bummer.

Ohio is looking like it is going to go to Bush... this could be it.

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Drudge Report has already called it for Bush.
http://www.drudgereport.com

Kind of premature, even for Drudge.

Final Betavote result:

Kerry 421,770 (88%)
Bush 55,242 (11%)

We still don't know the final result in the United States, but the rest of the world is pretty clear...

*Crosses fingers*

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If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets.

So far the temporary results until the 11 days delay to sort if uncertain votes ( due to uncertain voter registration, distant vote ( including for militaries ) ) can be counted are :

BUSH : 254
KERRY : 252

The results in Ohio ( 20 great electors ), Iowa ( 7 ) and New Mexico ( 5 ) are either too close to call or not completely sorted or already in contested by some lawyers.

Btw CNN, ABC and CBS gives the same 254 vs 252 result while FOX gives 269 vs 242 for BUSH



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(Actually, I'd rather that they'd get this annoying monkey out of the oval office, but there's nothing anybody can do about it now. Guess we'll have to wait for the lawsuits.)

What I don't get is, shouldn't someone like a president have at least a couple of percent difference from the other candidate (s) ? Is it true that even if the percentages are 51 against 49, the winner still gets to take the president's seat, even if almost half the country is against him?

(Rewritten by mahjqa on 11-03-2004 15:11)

Edit: I did not write the sentence above - Hugh

(Edited by Hugh on 11-03-2004 17:31)

The winning president, because of how the Electoral College works, needn't get even 50% of the vote - even in a two candidate race. In 2000, Al Gore won the popular vote -- that is, he got more actual votes than President Bush -- but lost the Electoral College, and thus the election.

It looks like the Bush team is picking up where they left off in 2000 and just claiming victory. The majority of conservative media sources have already claimed victory too.

I have a fair understanding of the Electoral College and I know the word "half" may not have been accurate.. But the post above under my name doesnt contain a single sentence from the one I posted. Please disregard it. They're not my words.
Mahjqa, this seriously surprises me.
Bush IS a terrorist.

Edit: link to dictionary.com.

(Edited by Hugh on 11-03-2004 17:50)

Kerry is conceding folks. Turns out Drudge, FoxNews and MSNBC were right afterall.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041103/D864GE6G0.html

4 more years. Guess most of you have to rest up so you can start Bush bashing all over again.

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Hugh, the quoted part

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What I don't get is, shouldn't someone like a president have at least a couple of percent difference from the other candidate (s) ? Is it true that even if the percentages are 51 against 49, the winner still gets to take the president's seat, even if almost half the country is against him?

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was indeed written by me. How it ended up bing posted under your name is a mystery to me.

I think I've mistakenly pressed the "edit" instead of the "quote" button.

I suppose it's there for all to see; make something idiotproof, and nature will come up with a better idiot

well, how else could it work? i mean, the definition of a majority is more than half, isn't that how any election works?

whatever the case, in places like ohio the not yet counted/provisional votes aren't really an issue as they're not signigicant enough numbers compared to the current margin between the candidates. kerry/edwards seem to realize this despite edwards comments last night that seemed to indicate they would pursue every possible vote.

chris


KAIROSinteractive | tangent oriented

Oh okay, you can understand how baffled I was so. I didn't think total cencorship was your bag at all.

random interesting trivia: we know about bush in the 200 election, but bill clinton received a plurality of the popular vote but NOT a majority of the popular vote in his wins in 1992 and 1996. ross perot received almost 19% of the popular vote in 1992 and about 8% in 1996, giving clinton the win with about 43% in 1992 and 49% in 1996.

the last president to be elected by the electoral college and with a majority of the popular vote (until this election) was george bush in 1988.


KAIROSinteractive | tangent oriented

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Hugh said:

Oh okay, you can understand how baffled I was so. I didn't think total cencorship was your bag at all.

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Indeed, it isn't. I'm very much opposed to any kind of censorship at all.

If I ever think something should be removed, I always consult the other MadSci's.

I am experiencing a profound sense of relief this morning. Not only did we win the presidency but we have gained more power in the Congress *and* this means we'll get to appoint some Supreme Court justices. And even the popular vote favored Bush by about 3 million. It is not a landslide by any stretch but it is a decisive victory.

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this country is going to hell along with all the rednecks it has inherited over time...way to go. hurrrahh for america !