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Maybe i am not being clear, or maybe i am just a dumba$$. I am NOT saying breast feeding should be illegal. I am NOT saying that breast feeding is a bad thing. I AM saying that while breast feeding is the best option for the baby, if there is an instance where you absolutely, postitively must breast feed in public because the baby will not take formula please use discretion.

Now to address another part in which I was not clear. That is may fault i went on a tangent. Whether or not it should be allowed in public is clearly a very heated debate and a stalemate sense i will be unwilling to back down any farther and i don't anybody else will either. But why make it a constitutional right when nature already gave women that right? It seems redundant. This is what i was actually going for before i went on the tangent. oh well sorry if i have made enemies of anyone no offense was meant.
By the way,
Gross: anything lacking tact, taste, or discretion.
Webster's:

History is nothing but a fable that has been agreed upon.
-Napolean Bonaparte

Kudos on making your posts easier to read. Thanks.

Unfortunately, you seem to be contradicting yourself in your paragraphs. On the one hand you admit that if breastfeeding must be done in public then discretion must be used, and I can somewhat agree with that.

However, in the following paragraph you say that "whether or not it should be allowed in public is clearly a very heated debate" and that "I will be unwilling to back down any farther[sic]".

So, on the one hand you admit that it's okay as long as discretion is used and then you state your position that it should not be allowed in public.

This is why it needs to be explicitly stated as a right under law (not necessarily the constitution): so that this freedom is not infringed upon. Nature didn't give women the right to breastfeed, only the ability.

If you pass laws against breastfeeding who gets charged, the Mom or the baby? Both maybe?

"When breastfeeding is outlawed, only outlaws will get milk!"

.......I new that baby was trouble from the moment I laid eyes on her, officer.



And we need to enforce manditory sentencing to reduce the number of repeat offenders- Use a tit, Go to jail...

(Edited by norm on 01-22-2005 18:40)

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silence said:

You don't want anyone else to see your wife's breasts?

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No I do not. Those breasts are for my wife, me, and my children, not anyone else.

As for the whole delievery room thing, that is medical. I am going to be a doctor, so I will probably deliever my children anyway. The thing is that there is a doctor-patient relationship that is different in the clinical rooms. Breasts to a doctor in a hospital are a part of anatomy, just like the reproductive organs, just like the lungs, etc. The thing is that those tests are done in private, not in public. I think my point is a little spread out here, so if you can't group it please tell me and I will revise it.

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silence said:

since they, technically, serve only one function: to feed babies.

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Technically. But tell me silence, when you see a pair of breasts what do you think about?

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silence said:

It is your value judgment that introduces the problem of indecency.

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Well, yes. I happen to think that breast feeding is one of many things that are indecent to do in public. Some others are: physical affection from kissing to sex, urinating, flagelance, burping. It goes on for a while. You see, those things I listed have a time and place for them. They aren't bad, just need to be controlled. Just like breast feeding. I understand that it is natural and that it needs to be done, I just hope that more people can plan better like your wife does. The only thing is that some people don't, and for the sake of those who do think it is indecent for public, should plan better.

Interesting point norm.

Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you, rebuke a wise man and he will love you.

So, now kissing my wife in public is indecent? Man, you've got a real problem!

Gideon: Just so we are on the same page - when you say "flagelance" do you mean flagellation or flatulence or weird combination of them both?

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tell me silence, when you see a pair of breasts what do you think about?

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Hmm, well, I'm pretty sure I have a normal human reaction to bare breasts, but when breasts are exposed for the purpose of breastfeeding than that is an entirely different matter.

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Breasts to a doctor in a hospital are a part of anatomy

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And I suppose doctors aren't human. Either that or knowledge of the human anatomy makes a big difference.

But, these are minor points.

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You see, those things I listed have a time and place for them. They aren't bad, just need to be controlled. Just like breast feeding.

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We have totally different ideas about what is indecent, and I'll leave it that. Agree to disagree, if you like.

However, I do agree that in the interests of politeness, discretion is called for.

My point is that such control should stay with the party in question and not with any outside person or authority.

Whew! Thank God this is in phil and silly!

This is a joke, right?

I love humor. And, I cannot believe someone would expend energy writing crap about breastfeeding being offensive with a straight face... err, keyboard. Whatever.

Thankfully, others have eloquently put forth the idea that there is nothing abhorrent in the act of breastfeeding.

If, however you really have a problem with it? Please allow me to respond in troglodyte terms appropriate to the original post:

.... GET OVER IT! ....

The equating of urinating, and cock stroking, to breastfeeding? Holy Shit! Are there really people that fucking ignorant? Go back to the primordial ooze! You just aint ready yet!

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Would you please open your ears? Please? I am not saying that breast feeding is bad. It's a wonderful thing and one of the best OPTIONS for the baby. I am merely saying:

1.It is already a woman's natural right to breast feed. Why bother wasting everyone's time putting it in the constitution?
2.Breast feeding is a good thing but there are things you do in public and things you don't. Breast feeding is one of the things you should try not to.

History is nothing but a fable that has been agreed upon.
-Napolean Bonaparte

By the way, as far as being ignorant. I have at least listened to the arguments and valid points of the other side with an open mind which is a lot more than i can say for some people in this forum. I already admitted that that was a poor example so just drop that please. I don't find breast feeding indecent or abhorent (to hate something extremely) i merely don't think it is appropriate to be done in public. The breast feeding part was NOT my problem it was the PUBLIC part that WAS. It was other people in this forum who have made breast feeding out to be my problem, not I.

History is nothing but a fable that has been agreed upon.
-Napolean Bonaparte

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2.Breast feeding is a good thing but there are things you do in public and things you don't. Breast feeding is one of the things you should try not to.

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Says who?

It is that type of "blanket statement" that requires a law protecting a womens right to breastfeed her infant, irregardless of where they are at the moment.

I personally have never seen a mother blatently breastfeeding in public. I have noticed a few that have done so discreetly.

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WebShaman said:

I personally have never seen a mother blatently breastfeeding in public. I have noticed a few that have done so discreetly.

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Ditto. One day I've seen a mother breast feeding her child in the suburb. Nobody, even the few children nearby, seemed shocked. When people realized she was actually breastfeeding her baby, some were astonished, others were amused but I've seen or heard no one who was shocked.



(Edited by poi on 01-25-2005 15:47)

That is all i am meaning to say web shaman. Women should and alread do have the right to breast feed. But if some women can manage to do it discreetly why can't others?

History is nothing but a fable that has been agreed upon.
-Napolean Bonaparte

I guess i just wasn't clear and again i apologise. The mothers that i saw in the restauraunt were not discreet at all. They weren't just sitting at their own booth they were up and walking around and were not being careful whatsoever. I guess it is not that bad to breast feed in public as long as your careful about it. There are worse things you could do in public, like jacking off. Again sorry about the confusion/witheld information, guess i am no better than Bush and the american's screwed up government. Oh well there's always more than one moron in america, at least I am not alone...

History is nothing but a fable that has been agreed upon.
-Napolean Bonaparte

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I have never seen, nor heard of, a woman that has not done it "discreetly". What meaning do you consider discreet to have?

oops I meant "subway" not "suburb".
And nobody told me my post was completely nut. Thank you.

Sangie, Again with the jacking off?

Get real!

Don't apologize for not being clear. Your point is crystal clear. You may want to apologize for the baseness of it but don't worry, we know where you're coming from. YOU are a childish pervert who can't seperate his loins from his eyes. That's ok. But, it's people like you who make it necessary for there to be legal protections of basic human rights.

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Gideon said:

Those breasts are for my wife, me, and my children, not anyone else.

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He he, I missed this one. That's good! They're for you? Gid? Really? So now there is chattel on the chattel you wish to posess?

Can we go back to burning people at the stake?

There is some property next door that I would like to own. And, the law stated back then if you were complicit in witchery you forfeit the right to own land... Naturally the one "protecting" us from these heathens should be the one to 'manage' that said property.

Ahh, the good ole days!

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So what you're really saying, Sangreal, (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that you don't necessarily have a problem with people nursing in public, but with people (women) being rude about it.
Yes?

I don't disagree with you.
BUT, people are rude about a lot of things.

Just today:
*I've seen more than a score of people run red lights
*a woman driving 45mph in the right most lane on the interstate
*the guy at the sandwich shop gave me incorrect change (by $10), then told me to f***off, take [my] sandwich and get out
*my new boss (she has less than1 week on the job) told me one of my goals is to "learn HTML, so [I] can work on the website"

Tons of rude things happen every day. Is breastfeeding REALLY where we want to focus our legal energies?
Maybe we should just leave the 99.9% of polite mothers to feed their babies in peace.

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Is breastfeeding REALLY where we want to focus our legal energies?

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Certainly not.

But I beleive that was part of the original point - why make this a constitutional issue? There are far more important things to address, and it simply does not warrant the attention of a constitutional ammendment, no matter which direction.

Thank you DL. That is what i was getting at.

Mobrul-
First off 99.9% of the general public aren't polite in general. Which is why i didn't say polite. (not meaning to attack had rough couple of days, very tired out). I just meant that if you have to feed in public be CAREFUL. If your rude about it that is a differant issue.

History is nothing but a fable that has been agreed upon.
-Napolean Bonaparte