Topic awaiting preservation: Let us talk about Prayer. II (Page 3 of 3)

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You cannot die and come back

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Excellent Jade, this is what we have been trying to tell you!

That is why your silly resurrection myth is just that, silly myth.

Another bit of silliness, when we die, we won't know. That will be the end of knowing.

I heard an interesting staement today, the fella said "we have to strive to reason, because myth, magic and religion are our natural state".

Time to start striving jade.

"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." -- Lucretius, Roman Poet (94 - 55 BCE)

Ok Jade,

Now you are "passing judgement" on what happened to me - and you have no idea. You don't know the circumstances, you don't know how long I was gone, etc.

Yet you go WAY out on a limb, and make judgements based on wild imaginings.

I sincerely hope that in real life, you are more pragmatic.

I did experience something, like I said - it wasn't a lack of conciousness, but a lack of anthing!. And I felt a deep, sense of peacefulness. No gods, no angels, no ghosts, no spirits...just a serene sense of peace, and an infinite lack of anything.

I mayself have no idea how long I was gone - no one does, really. No one was standing around with a stopwatch. What is known, is that my cousins dragged my body out of the river, where I drowned. I was incredibly lucky that the river was a clear one, and that the current in that part was a circular one, and my body was not too hard to find, I guess. The water was about 20 feet deep there.

That Terry and Monty retained enough wits to actually recessitate me is incredulous to this day.

That I survived, is more incredulous.

At that time, I was on the Hoopa Indian Reservation, in North California. No ambulance, etc for me. I also never went to the hospital. Pretty normal stuff, lots of Indian kids die every year on the reservation.

What I find particularly insulting from you, Jade, is your absolute willingness to "explain away" my experience. Tell me, have you had such an experience yourself?

Can you remember breathing water? Or the cold, heavy feeling of it in your lungs? How about the looming darkness that comes and sweeps you away?

You believe, based on...numbers? Silly girl.

I base my knowledge on experiences, my own.

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So you have tapped into the true reality as opposed to maybe what is it ????...3/4 plus of the worlds population that believe in worship of a God in many organized religious sects. That would mean there are delusionals in the billions compared to a small percentage of athiest who have got it right. According to you, we have to make up a diety, a heavenly and human God so life can have purpose and meaning as opposed to just inhabiting the planet for no other reason that to live a lifetime and die for nothing. Because life does amount to nothing if it lives for nothing.

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Blocks are mine. Ummm...hehe, do you actually think before you post?

Isn't that how Christianity got started? And the Catholic Church? Well, you said it, not me. You are using an argument to try to...I don't know exactly. Prove your point? But instead, you disprove yours by stating such.

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Because life does amount to nothing if it lives for nothing.

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Well, I do have thoughts on such. First of all, I live my life according to rules that I believe benefit mankind, and myself in the process. I believe that the betterment of mankind in the long run benefits us all. I also pelive that our species is still evolving.

And increasing our knowledge and technological stand. I'm sure that someday, man will conquer a number of barriers, like most sicknesses, aging, and maybe even death itself. That would be the ultimate goal - I think.

In any event, the purpose is to survive, and to evolve further. I find that to be a noble purpose.

*shrugs*

Maybe you don't.

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And increasing our knowledge and technological stand. I'm sure that someday, man will conquer a number of barriers, like most sicknesses, aging, and maybe even death itself. That would be the ultimate goal - I think.

In any event, the purpose is to survive, and to evolve further. I find that to be a noble purpose.

*shrugs*

Maybe you don't.

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I pass no judgement on you. I was merely speculating. Forgive me please.

But I find your assessment of the pursuit of lifes journey wanting. You will not be around to reap the fruits of the endeavors of mankinds finds or breakthru discoveries.
Mans continued evolvement will mean nothing to you. So how does it benefit you as an individual? You will long be gone six feet under and one with the earth's soil. How can that make you feel satisfied? Will you find joy in your grave when mankind finds the cure for cancer? Yes, its good to be noble and strive for the betterment of mankind but in the end who benefits from you trying to do this? Sure, we remember madam curie, albert einstein, carl sagan as noteworthy scientist, but in the end did they really benefit from their studies. They are all dead. I understand what you are saying. Its while I am here I am going to enjoy life because this is how I personally see it, and I have a one shot chance to accomplish things before I die. And then its over and then nothing. I just do not see life that way.

(Edited by jade on 05-14-2005 17:07)

The problem with so many faithful like yourself, is that your outlook on life ultimately comes down to "what's in it for me?"

Now I know that you will deny that.

But you reiterate it over and over even though you may not intend to.

You find WS's outlook "wanting" because he'll never reap the benefits you think should be reaped?

You base your faith more on the idea that you want reward for your life here than on anything else (and yes, you'll deny this...but you show it over and over and over in your statements...).

And *that* is sad.

Well, Jade, you are forgetting one small thing - our offspring.

To survive and to evolve further, we need offspring. If I don't "reap the benefits" (although I find the way that I live my life benefit enough, thank you!) maybe my offspring, or their offspring will. Certainly future generations of mankind will.

Why do you worry so much about what you personally will receive as reward? Isn't your life reward enough? Why do you find that "wanting"?

I find working to make things better, for future generations of mankind is a noble goal, as well.

And I didn't lose my faith; I found reality.

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And I didn't lose my faith; I found reality.

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Oh...... I thought you lost your faith. What is your faith now????....since you separate it from reality?

I believe in a Super-Nature.

I believe that I explained that in a few threads gone by.