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FatRod
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: #UK SURREY
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 04-26-2005 10:18

We are thinking of buying a website and rebranding but may have to change the domain name for legal reasons. The question is would this destroy the search engine ranking of a very well established and successful site

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FR

(Edited by FatRod on 04-26-2005 10:19)

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Mad Librarian

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-26-2005 11:13

If you change the domain name? I would have to say yeah, it probably would. Not that I know that for sure, but common sense would seem to point in that direction. After all, it could be the same exact site, but with a different URL the search engines are going to see it as a completely different site.

Actually, it's not so much a case of a successful site's ranking being "destroyed," it's a case of a successful site disappearing and a completely new one entering the scene. I'm no expert on search engine rankings, of course, but that would be my take on the issue.

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FatRod
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: #UK SURREY
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 04-26-2005 11:31

source: http://www.seologic.com/faq/url-redirect-script.php

quote:
Will changing our URL or domain name affect our search engine rankings?

How can we change urls without losing the traffic we're already getting?

No matter what, changing your domain name will affect your search engine rankings, largely because each search engine responds differently to such changes, but you can substantially limit the damage done. Google has taken the lead as usual in dealing with URLs that change and will quickly index the new file with virtually no interruption if you follow some fairly straightforward procedures. AllTheWeb quickly followed suit. Unfortunately, the procedures described below do not work in the same way on the other major search engines.

The critical element in successful url redirecting or domain forwarding is taking the time to make sure that ALL links to your old page from directories and other websites are updated. That step must be done. Unfortunately, it is the most difficult step, as many links may be on sites that are neglected or even abandoned.

Google has published guidelines on changing your URLs. See, Google Information for Webmasters - Question #2: "Once your new site is live, you may wish to place a permanent redirect (using a '301' code in HTTP headers) on your old site to inform visitors and search engines that your site has moved."

URL Redirection with the Apache URL Redirect Directive
If you are moving your website and are not a server administrator, you should contact your server administrator and ask that they use the Apache URL Redirect directive to permanently "301" redirect each of your old files to their corresponding new locations. If you are a server administrator, then you can get more in-depth information by visiting Apache.org.

There are basically two ways to accomplish the URL redirect. You can either create a .htaccess file and put all your individual redirects in that file, or you can modify the server configuration file (httpd.conf) and define the redirects there.

You can check to make sure the redirects were done correctly by using our URL Redirect Server Response tool. Just type in the old url and click "Check Redirect." Your URL redirect will be tested and the page will reload. In the top of the right-hand column, you will see the results of your redirect test. The second line should read, "HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently ." If it doesn't, then ask your server administrator to read the reference resource mentioned just above.

Redirecting URLs in Microsoft IIS
With Microsoft IIS, you can easily redirect one root url to another root url, but it is not so easy to redirect specific files. To do that, you need to know some code. However, if you keep your file structure intact as you change urls (i.e., the same url works for http://www.olddomain.com/filename.html and http://www.newdomain.com/filename.html), then a novice IIS server administrator can accomplish the task. Just open the control panel, select the "Home Directory" tab, and click on "a redirection to a url." Redirecting the root URL will automatically redirect all the files in the old URL to their corresponding file locations on the new URL. If you change your file names or site architecture, then you will need to do some workarounds.

Workaround for Redirecting Specific Files in Microsoft IIS
One solution is to create a custom 404 error handling page in ASP which captures the url of the referring file, redirects the browser to the new url, and sends the server response, "301 Moved Permanently." It works quite well.

Common URL Redirect Mistakes
One common mistake many Webmasters make when they launch a new site at a new domain is changing the file naming and hierarchical structure of their website. There are often good reasons to change the file naming, but at times it appears to be done for no reason whatsoever. It is best if you can use the file names that have already been indexed by the search engines. For example, if you had a help page located at http://www.yourolddomain.com/help.html, it is best if your new help page is located at http://www.yournewdomain.com/help.html.

Another common mistake is the use of the META Redirect tag to redirect visitors from an old page to a new one. Search engine spiders do not follow META Redirect tags, so they should not be used. In addition, using the META Redirect tag forces your visitors to first load the old page, then load the new page, which is a drain on a site with substantial traffic.

Checking to see how many files from your website are indexed on the major search engines
If you have thousands of files on your site and you don't have the time to redirect every single file from the old domain name to the new one, you should at least redirect all the files that have been indexed by the major search engines. To find out which files from your site have been indexed, use our Search Engine Visibility Checker. It will tell you which files from your site are indexed by all the major search engines, so you'll know which ones you need to redirect.

Checking Your URL Redirection
We provide several free webmaster tools and resources, including a URL Redirect Server Response Checker. Just follow the link and test your URL to make sure that the redirect was done correctly.

See also Will changing our URL affect our search engine rankings? How can we change urls without losing the traffic we're already getting?



(Edited by FatRod on 04-26-2005 11:32)

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Mad Librarian

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-26-2005 14:30

Well that answers that question.

Totally forgot about redirection.

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synax
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Cell 666
Insane since: Mar 2002

posted posted 04-26-2005 15:25

Yes, 301 redirection is what you want to do.

Tyberius Prime
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-26-2005 19:04

jup. Took google 2 days to learn the new urls of this place...

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