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It may be unfortunate, but it is a simple fact of life that when large numbers of a group of people have conitnually made headlines over issues that people like myself take as very negative, that negativity is going to attach itself to the name.

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So do you see all Muslims the same way because of the extremism in that camp? Or perhaps all homosexuals should be judged on the stories of massive meth induced orgies where HIV is spread because of carelessness? Or maybe since at least 70% of the US prison population is black, yet they only make up 18% of the total population, all black people are bad; and all Jews are greedy and self-righteous Zionists who wish to take over the world. Generalizations are bad no matter in what context they are used. It creates divisiveness, hate, and unjust misconceptions, and cultivates a fearful and ignorant society.

The point is, there are always exceptions, and a lot more of them than our perception, which is largely cultivated through historical figures and those who make headlines, allows us to realize. Perception is everything, and you know full well that the majority of Christians are good people who just want to live and let live, just like you. Some may be misled, undereducated, and ignorant, and ultimately manipulated, but that is not just constrained to Christians; it is universal.

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The name belongs to those who use it...not those who fulfill what can be considered its true meaning...

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I disagree. It may have been hijacked by people with power and influence, much like the whole federalist/anti-federalist thing, but it still belongs to those who truly follow the message. Just because a group of people say an orange is purple does not make the orange purple.

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And, keep in mind - what was referred to in the post you quoted was the majority; not the whole.
While you may take exception, I find the statement fairly accurate, from personal experience.

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So you believe that the majority of Christians are murderers and force their views on people? Again, I disagree. If your experience with Christians can be described in such a way, then I suggest you move to a safer location, for your children's sake at least.

All I am saying is that generalizations are dangerous, and considering the education level of many of the people here and their love of fact, I am constantly surprised with the use of generizations when referring to Christianity and Christians. It is not accurate, and is not fact.

Ramasax
www.AmericanSerf.us

(Edited by Ramasax on 08-19-2005 00:53)

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So do you see all Muslims the same way because of the extremism in that camp?

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Before reading any further, I need to address this.

1) I never said I judged all christians based on the actions of some. I have shown repeatedly that I do not, in fact.

2) The actions in question in regard to christians here (the quote you posted), has *nothing* whatsoever to do with extremists. It has to do with the majority of the 'common' people who are christian.

So, no, I do not judge all muslims based on extremist muslim terrorist activities, any more than I judge all christians based on xtremist christian terrorist activities.

Your perspective is horribly skewed if you liken the general american christian view of Evolution (this is, again, the topic that was being addressed in the quote you posted) to islamic extremist terrorists. Although, the damage potential is not as far apart between the two sets as it should be...

If were going to draw comparisons....let's at least pick comparable activities to talk about.

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xtremist christian terrorist activities.

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I think we all worry less about this group than Muslim extremists. I think the majority of christina extremists have realized that it is better to be organized to be respected, instead of their Muslim brothers extremist ways. But I wonder what froms of danger should we be looking for, If any.

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If were going to draw comparisons....let's at least pick comparable activities to talk about.

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What about recent attempts in NY, to stop non-middle eastern people, as a random check for muslim extremists. Sorry, wrong thread.

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I think we all worry less about this group than Muslim extremists.

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Of course we do, because it is an issue that has been propagandized to an extreme, and because an islamic extremist attack is very fresh in all of our minds still.

but that has nothing to do with anything.....

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Of course we do, because it is an issue that has been propagandized to an extreme, and because an islamic extremist attack is very fresh in all of our minds still.but that has nothing to do with anything.....

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DL I don't think the CX are hiding in cells across this country, just waiting for a chance to pounce on us unsuspecting citizens. And IX being in the news everyday, does not overshadow known CX. Or perhaps you can show us where their all hiding. As if there exists an underground CX movement going on that only you are aware of. The bible in the past has produce many of the most heinous acts against humanity that the world has everseen, but in today's age,.....................where,....................when,........................who.

Unless you think CX are some sort of big brother operation, and it's alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll a secret society.

Where's the fire?

(Edited by Zynx on 08-19-2005 16:49)

Northern Ireland ring a bell?

How about the great spurt of abortion clinic bombings and shootings?

You really should cut down on this pompous ass attitude, when you seem to be showing yourself consistantly uninformed on the issues you try to be such a smart ass about.

However, you completely miss the point in the first place, and this is nothing but a big tangent.

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, and this is nothing but a big tangent.

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I do apologize for asking questions, on a website, that may have detracted from the original posters intent, but allow me to respond to DL.

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Northern Ireland ring a bell?

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Yup. Everytime I board a plane, I'm looking for those pesky NI terrorists.

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How about the great spurt of abortion clinic bombings and shootings?

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" Over the last 20 years, anti-abortion terrorists have been responsible for SIX murders and 15 attempted murders. "
Yup that's comparable to muslim extremists.

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You really should cut down on this pompous ass attitude, when you seem to be showing yourself consistantly uninformed on the issues you try to be such a smart ass about.

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While I do appreciate constructive criticism, you seem to be shaping up to be a rather pushy P.O.S. youself.


Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

(Edited by Zynx on 08-19-2005 18:04)

Again you miss the point completely, but we've wasted enough time on this already...

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BelladonnaWell, I'm telling you, that it's a scientific fact that Sapien and Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA has proven that we are of NO relation to each other.
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No it is not a fact, but it is possible. MDNA is maternal, so who is to say that the ancestor of NMan was not the same as Hman, if Hman's mother had a son. Even though it can happen in males, it is extremely rare. And you forget about random mutations which have altered the genetic code over the millennia.

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I'm not EVEN getting back into this....I've said all I have to say on the subject. But I watched "Ape to Man" too. Twice even. Didn't change my opinion at all, as it really didn't say or show anything that I haven't heard or read elsewhere before. I prefer to wait until the microbiological evidence comes in.

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In the web that is my own, I begin again...

I find it intriguing of the possibility of 2 separate yet like species existed, and evolved from 2 separate ancestors.

Of course if you follow the familiy tree of DNA, they must have a common link. Even the oldest DNA link we have found, does not mean she was the first, only the first whose DNA made it through the millenia without dieing out. Every answer we find, we find hundreds of more questions to ask.

And taking religion out of the equation should be first and foremost, if ever we are going to find any scientific fact.

Zynx, you seem to be off to such a great start here - I can only offer you one tiny bit of advice - listen, before shooting your mouth off. Or do you like the taste of shoe leather?

That might explain it

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I prefer to wait until the microbiological evidence comes in.

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Bd, that is a refreshing thing to hear!

Yes, I belive that is quite a sound position to take.

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WebShaman said:Zynx, you seem to be off to such a great start here - I can only offer you one tiny bit of advice - listen, before shooting your mouth off. Or do you like the taste of shoe leather? That might explain it
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C. Criticism. Thanks.

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I prefer to wait until the microbiological evidence comes in.

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Bd, that is a refreshing thing to hear! Yes, I believe that is quite a sound position to take.

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Webshaman, did you see the show? Who knows how long we have to wait for that information to become available.
I guess we should let threads die, and only wait for new information, before we offer other ideas?

Microbiological evidence is going to do what? Answer this idea once and for all? Webshaman, we can't just idly sit by and debate nothing until then. There is still other evidence out there that suggests other ideas about evolution.

"Eve" being one of them. I believe she is the earliest know ancestor to man, older than "Lucy".

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Webshaman, we can't just idly sit by and debate nothing until then. There is still other evidence out there that suggests other ideas about evolution.

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There are many other things that are worth debating, IMHO. I don't know about you though.

I don't see any real reason to continue to debate something, when many sides have expoused interest in waiting for more information to become available. And quite frankly, Whatever will be revealed (or not) about Neaderthals and Humans is not "all" of evolution, not by a far shot.

Only a fool would wish to persue such an avenue further, IMHO.

As for "Eve" what about it?

"Eve"? If he refers to the putative spouse of one "Adam" of biblical myth, of course she too is mythological.

Furthermore, the myth was stolen from earlier civilization's myth's locker.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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I don't see any real reason to continue to debate something, when many sides have expoused interest in waiting for more information to become available.

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So you want to wait, becasue others say so, or did you yourself see the show?

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As for "Eve" what about it?

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You know I just understand such defeatist attitudes about debating. Any debate. I have never see so many, " Let's wait for more information to surface, before we continue this debate ", attitudes on one site. It's quite extraordinarily odd.

So in an effort to conform, let's just sit and wait for that microbiological evidence.

(Edited by Zynx on 08-23-2005 17:19)

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" Let's wait for more information to surface, before we continue this debate ", attitudes on one site. It's quite extraordinarily odd.

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Well...that is a rather rational approach, wouldn't you agree?

If you so choose, explore it further - just don't expect others to join you.

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Well...that is a rather rational approach, wouldn't you agree?

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I think you always agree with the majority, and voice your opinion defending that majority without actually having your own opinion be heard.
It's Funny, and it works I guess.

So then we are all in agreement that, both Neanderthals and Homo sapiens evolved from an earlier "archaic" Homo sapien?

(Edited by Zynx on 08-23-2005 20:31)

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I think you always agree with the majority, and voice your opinion defending that majority without actually having your own opinion be heard.

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*shrugs*

Well, I guess that is your opinion then.

I doubt many others here share your...rather distorted view of things, however. It would appear, that when you become unhappy with the progress of events, that you tend to become very verbose and agressive in quite the negative manner.

Maybe cut back on the caffeine, hmmm?

"Sorry, but being a Christian I find it incredibly troubling how easily we are all condemned in these generalized ways because of the actions of the hypocritical and lying manipulators. Not being able to make the distinction here in your arguments is nothing but intellectual sloth."

Not thinking yourself - and just "accept the gospel" as truth - is the actual definition of "intellectual sloth" you twit.

And besides, it would be true if there where any actual proof that not all christians infact are "hypocritical and lying manipulators" who's priests nail young boys in church and then turn around and claim "homosexuality to be a sin" - not to mention the outrageous act of liking homosexuals with pedophiles, which is a crime in itself.
Then the "flock" simply ignore these horrendous events like nothing happened and start celebrating the church for these acts.. now, what does this tell you??
- That they are all upstanding and righteous?

Christians say that God is on their side, but sofar, nobody asked him personally, and since he supposedly 'actually exists', why not do that, and then end this ongoing second-guessing of God's will and intentions that christians keep on doing?

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It would appear, that when you become unhappy with the progress of events, that you tend to become very verbose and agressive in quite the negative manner.Maybe cut back on the caffeine, hmmm?

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Yeah that's me. Won't deny it. Although I don't use caffeine, I am trying to get a handle on my demons, and I appreciate you telling me how you see me. It helps for me to learn, which is at least a minimal goal of mine on any site. Sometimes I need someone to pull on my reins when I get outta control.

Sorry for the sideshow.





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It may be unfortunate, but it is a simple fact of life that when large numbers of a group of people have conitnually made headlines over issues that people like myself take as very negative, that negativity is going to attach itself to the name.
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So do you see all Muslims the same way because of the extremism in that camp? Or perhaps all homosexuals should be judged on the stories of massive meth induced orgies where HIV is spread because of carelessness? Or maybe since at least 70% of the US prison population is black, yet they only make up 18% of the total population, all black people are bad; and all Jews are greedy and self-righteous Zionists who wish to take over the world. Generalizations are bad no matter in what context they are used. It creates divisiveness, hate, and unjust misconceptions, and cultivates a fearful and ignorant society.

The point is, there are always exceptions, and a lot more of them than our perception, which is largely cultivated through historical figures and those who make headlines, allows us to realize. Perception is everything, and you know full well that the majority of Christians are good people who just want to live and let live, just like you. Some may be misled, undereducated, and ignorant, and ultimately manipulated, but that is not just constrained to Christians; it is universal.


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The name belongs to those who use it...not those who fulfill what can be considered its true meaning...
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I disagree. It may have been hijacked by people with power and influence, much like the whole federalist/anti-federalist thing, but it still belongs to those who truly follow the message. Just because a group of people say an orange is purple does not make the orange purple.


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And, keep in mind - what was referred to in the post you quoted was the majority; not the whole.
While you may take exception, I find the statement fairly accurate, from personal experience.
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So you believe that the majority of Christians are murderers and force their views on people? Again, I disagree. If your experience with Christians can be described in such a way, then I suggest you move to a safer location, for your children's sake at least.

All I am saying is that generalizations are dangerous, and considering the education level of many of the people here and their love of fact, I am constantly surprised with the use of generizations when referring to Christianity and Christians. It is not accurate, and is not fact.

"generizations when referring to Christianity and Christians. It is not accurate, and is not fact"

It's just the irony of life...
But you do have a valid point.. and please make fellow christians remember that point for future reference, when it involves others, who are not christians..

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Just because a group of people say an orange is purple does not make the orange purple.

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So explain GW's nomination?