Topic awaiting preservation: Jesus Requires Genesis (Page 4 of 4)

You all just can't see the real world can you (the word "all" is meant to exclude some people here, and you should know who you are)
Something to entertain you while you're at it:

Humans are such easy creatures to deceive.

Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow.

If you must argue, remember that it is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
William Gibbs McAdoo

Blessed is he who expects nothing; for he shall not be disappointed.
Jonathan Swift

Man is the only creature that refuses to be what he is.
Albert Camus

A human being: an ingenious assembly of portable plumbing.
Christopher Morley

Only on paper has humanity yet achieved glory, beauty, truth, knowledge, virtue, and abiding love.
George Bernard Shaw

The chief obstacle to the progress of the human race is the human race.
Don Marquis

The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness.
Joseph Conrad

The human race is governed by its imagination.
Napoleon

Human beings cling to their delicious tyrannies and to their exquisite nonsense, till death stares them in the face.
Sydney Smith

Nature does not deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Killing for peace is like fucking for chastity

Several thousand years ago, a small tribe of ignorant near-savages wrote various collections of myths, wild tales, lies, and gibberish. Over the centuries, these stories were embroidered, garbled, mutilated, and torn into small pieces that were then repeatedly shuffled. Finally, this material was badly translated into several languages successively. The resultant text, creationists feel, is the best guide to this complex and technical subject.

The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next.

Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.

Organized religion is like organized crime; it preys on peoples' weaknesses, generates huge profits for its operators, and is almost impossible to eradicate.

I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do.

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

Christian Fundamentalism: The doctrine that there is an absolutely powerful, infinitely knowledgeable, universe spanning entity that is deeply and personally concerned about my sex life.

When a man ceases to believe in god, he does not believe in nothing. He believes in everything.
G.K. Chesterson

Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense.
Chapman Cohen

I do not believe in god because I do not believe in Mother Goose.
Clarence Darrow

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
Philip K. Dick

I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.
Thomas Edison

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
Albert Einstein

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France



ofcourse there's always more but now you should know where i stand and i don't stant alone
hope you all had a good laugh with me ... hold no grudge ... for i'll be laughing anyway

I for one am chortelling with you.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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Dislike of team sports (boys)
Lack of hand/eye coordination and resultant teasing by peers (boys)
Social phobia or extreme shyness

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Wow ... it's an absolute wonder I didn't turn out to be another Paul Lynde.

Wow! Four pages, and many many posts about a book!

"Will wonders never cease."

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WebShaman said:

If you are not aware of what a Troll is, I suggest you look it up.

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I thought trolls were those ugly beasts in Norse mythology that turned into stone if hit by sunlight. Hmm, that makes sense. I don't know if you meant for that symbology or not, it sounds like a good enough label to me, however I am not a troll and do change. That is part of being a Christian, I change.

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WebShaman said:

So the Jews, who do not follow Christ, are not true believers, according to your
definition, right?

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You are twisting what my definition of a true believer is. My defintion of a true believer is one who follows Christ with their heart. That context is within the Christian term of "believer" which is an abbreviated phrase for "believer in Christ Jesus." So it would follow naturally that those who do not believe in Christ Jesus are not true believers...
I do however believe the Jews who still refuse to claim Jesus as their King as believers of the One True God, however for some reason or another, they don't trust Him?

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

Gid - look up "Trolling" - I think you may get a better definition there.

Anyway, back to the Jews.

Now, the Xians equate Jesus with God. But the Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah (because he didn't meet the criteria given to the Jews by God himself). Thus, for the Jews, Jesus is not God.

The real question being, why did God give the Jews a set of Rules for defining what a Messiah is, and then purposely break them? Maybe God likes a good joke?

But Jews do believe in God, obviously (and the same God that the Xians do).

Now, are Jews true believers in God? Yes, I believe so (practicing Jews, anyway). Are they true believers in Christ? No, they are not. They do not follow Christ with their heart at all.

So, Jews cannot be true believers, according to your definition

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My defintion of a true believer is one who follows Christ with their heart.

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I see no twisting of words here by me.

Web, you must know god is a trickster, he hid all those dinosaur fossil didn't he.

Dan @ Code Town

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Web, you must know god is a trickster, he hid all those dinosaur fossil didn't he.

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I guess he didn't want us to think outside the box.

The last thing religious leaders want you to do, is think.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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The real question being, why did God give the Jews a set of Rules for defining what a Messiah is, and then purposely break them? Maybe God likes a good joke?

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Then again maybe it was not GOD who made the joke.

Perhaps it was simply that the JEWS chose NOT to believe?

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Then again maybe it was not GOD who made the joke.

Perhaps it was simply that the JEWS chose NOT to believe?

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Could you maybe explain that a bit further? I don't see how believing or not has anything to do with a set of Rules.

Meaning that they chose not to believe that they were wrong in interpreting the rules defining what a messiah was.

So In the end, they believed themselves to be correct. Which would be their fault, and not a joke.

No I am not religious.

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Meaning that they chose not to believe that they were wrong in interpreting the rules defining what a messiah was.

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By that same logic, the entire Old Testament is also suspect.

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By that same logic, the entire Old Testament is also suspect.

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I guess i too recently saw the Mel Gibson flick. It seemed that the Jews then, were more UNwilling to believe Jesus, than to believe.
As if the idea of a messiah is simply that an idea. But when presented with that exact person, they don't believe, and maybe they will never believe.

Yeah I know it's only a movie.

Zynx.

Would you please post something, for once, that makes a bit of sense?

Yes?

The Jews received their Rules on what a Messiah is (and how to determine one) from God himself (if one believes the old testament, and that those who wrote it).

Jesus did not fulfill this Rules!

Do you understand this?

Rules come from God to Jews, Jesus comes, but does not fulfill the requirements set out in the rules. Jesus is supposed to be God. Why would God lie to his Chosen people about his coming?

god chooses people o.o i thought all men were created as equals

I wonder what would happen if someone profiled or psycho analysed god.
Serial killer? Psychopath? Maybe even problems in childhood? ...

what if the jews lied about the whole messiah thing ... maybe there wasn't
even supposed to be a messiah ... one of the jews could have been drunk
one night (hey but NOOOO ... that's not humanly possible!) ... but then what
if the people who first started writing the bible lied too ... or were delusional ...
(hey NOOO! ... people can't lie! ... this is impossible!)

i don't have any proof that anyone has lied ... good fiction writers don't
necessarily lie ... they just tell stories ... and some are better than others

i know a story about jesus when he was young (12 years old) .. he got lost in
Jerusalem (after he had been playing with other children) ... (his parents couldn't
find him) ... and they returned to Nazareth without him (wtf!?) ... later found him
in the temple there ...

...what's important here is that men there were teaching him ... and not the
other way around ... ofcourse ... 12 years old and all ... what i mean is that
he was raised as the son of god and all his life he was taught by some of the
wisest men around in the area ... unlike many other children ... and men ...
and ofcourse he was eager to learn too ... he could probably sense the value
of these teachings ...

i won't finish with a conclusion ... i leave it up to you ... those who think alike with
me probably understand where i was heading ... those who don't will probably
never doubt in what they believe ... and good for you ... maybe you need that for
your personal well being and inner peace or smth...

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WebShaman said:
Zynx.

Would you please post something, for once, that makes a bit of sense?

Yes?

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Wouldn't that be refreshing?? This is starting to make discussions with Gideon seem not so bad...

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This is starting to make discussions with Gideon seem not so bad...

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ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Man, my sides ache...

Shaman, you clearly missed my acknowledgment that I know little about this subject, yet you chose to belittle me anyways.

And that's the last time I will ever admit such things, with people like you lurking about.

But that's ok, because you've been here longer than me, so every give you more leeway than I am given.

Even though I admit that I didn't know much about the issue.

But who cares if your right or wrong about my knowledge on this issue.

You say whatever you want.

(Edited by Zynx on 08-31-2005 19:16)

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But when presented with that exact person, they don't believe, and maybe they will never believe.

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But they weren't presented with that exact person.

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i thought all men were created as equals

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That is not from the Bible, it is from the Declaration of Independence (USA, 1776)

Arthurio,
I think you are thinking along the same lines as I am.
When humans first began to think and wonder about the things around them, they tried to come up with ideas about where everything came from. The more creative people came up with some stories about how creation may have come about.
The more devious people among them began to think about how they could capitalize on this and gain power over the people around them. They are the ones that became the religious leaders and preyed on the fears of the rest.

(I'm not even going to comment on that last post by Zynx!)




(Edited by briggl on 08-31-2005 16:16)

I can't even count the number of lines that post has crossed, Zynx.

The sheer ignorance and self absorption is simply astounding.

In seriousness or in jest, there is simply NO room for that kind of statement on this Forum!

None.

(Edited by DL-44 on 08-31-2005 19:01)

Is that better? Did I conform well?

I changed my earlier responses, when I came in, and you explained that.

So, I tried the honest approach, but Shaman didn't care, and it seems neither did you DL.

I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

What a joyus time to be a newbie.

It is becoming quite obvious that Zynx is about the biggest IDIOT around.

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It is becoming quite obvious that Zynx is about the biggest IDIOT around.

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That is a good one. Ha ha ha. It's comments like that that make me want to stay!
What jokularity!

(Edited by Zynx on 08-31-2005 20:10)

You can make light of it all you want - if it were up to me, that statement would get you banned.

What you posted there is *seriously* fucked up.

And why? It seems you are implying that your feelings were hurt over our reception of your comments?

There's no excuse for statements like you made above, whether serious, joking, sarcastic, or in any other way.

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and I can assure you there was nothing in briggl's comment that was jocular or antagonistic. that statement is a very simple observation of your behavior here.



(Edited by DL-44 on 08-31-2005 21:21)

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You can make light of it all you want

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So I should have "made light" of shaman's post? Why? Maybe I should have used your words, when I first arrived. I believe it was "pompous, ass, idiot, brainless". "Do as I say, not as I do.", Eh DL.

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if it were up to me, that statement would get you banned

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Perhaps you would also like to dictate to others what NOT to say.

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What you posted there is *seriously* fucked up.

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If someone plays with fire, he's gonna get burned.

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And why? It seems you are implying that your feelings were hurt over our reception of your comments?

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So you think I wasn't? And then you say, "imply", as if I'm a liar?

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There's no excuse for statements like you made above, whether serious, joking, sarcastic, or in any other way.

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If someone can belittle me, then I can belittle them. Fair is fair.

He has explained his heritage in another thread, and I didn't slam him. Why? Because I felt he was being honest.
Now I come to this thread, and I am being honest, and he choses to slam me. You, him, and others might not like it, but what goes around comes around.

(Edited by Zynx on 08-31-2005 21:33)

May I please know what was posted before the edit?

Send it privately in a mail.

Offline the hate will go, and...

I, as the bringer of topic life, will now pronounce this thread dead.

Dan @ Code Town