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Outcydr, most xians even admit that they don't purport to "understand the ways of God" - so this

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consider: if it is the word of God, don't you think that he anticipated beforehand all the controversy, misinterpretations, etc. and designed it the way it is for a reason?

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is meaningless, is it not?

Why must there be a reason? Maybe God doesn't have one. Maybe God also didn't inspire the various individuals that wrote the Bible.

Did God tell you that He did, personally? Did God also tell you, personally, that He has a reason?

(Edited by WebShaman on 09-09-2005 10:41)

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consider: if it is the word of God, don't you think that he anticipated beforehand all the controversy, misinterpretations, etc. and designed it the way it is for a reason?

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No.

^^^ I was trying to give my answer to this as well, but I think you fairly summarised it, DL-44...
I would just add the following, as a matter of provocation (perhaps): is there anything else you think He anticipated beforehand? Just let me know, so I do not bother 1) trying to get my own opinion: I will not need it since obviously This Is The Truth 2) trying to get a life: He will lead me to my destiny anyway, whether I want it or not.

If I was a god, I would prefer observing the evolution of my world rather than plan anything beforehand, but this is my humble opinion, and I am not a god. Thank God. Hmmm... whatever

Your statement, outcydr, is very fatalistic. I am not taken nor convinced by it whatsoever.

(Edited by kimson on 09-09-2005 14:11)

No-Jive...nope, still following...can trail you by the partly consumed bottles of Malt Likker...my only source of sustenance.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Dio:

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partly consumed

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Those aren't mine pal. =)

To quickly catch up:
DL, I never said it was hate-based. I actually explained to the contrary. I said it was derogatory, offensive, but not necessarily hateful.
WS, racism can be based on dislike, and not just hate. My father dislikes those of different colored skin, yet he doesn't hate them. I believe that this site leans more towards the dislike than the hate, but that is arguable.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

Gideon - you are still hopelessly missing th epoint, and I fear you always will.

A black man does not choose to be black. Being black does not choose who or what a man is.

Deciding to use a book of ancient myth as a basis to lvie your life on, and making judgements on the world based on that is a very definite choice you have.

The texts do not belong to you simply because you use them as religion. They belong to anyone who wishes to read them. You have your views about them, which you have no qualms sharing - so why should people with opposing views be silenced in their interpretation of these texts?

With such a dominant role as christianity plays and has played in the world, to liken people speaking out against the basis of christian views to racist groups is the single most absrud thing you've done so far.

Damn Gideon you sure make it tuff on a guy sometimes.
Hate or no... your dad's a racist. It's a bit tuff to say that being it's your dad and all you're talking about but, the way you state it one can come to no other conclusion.

Based on what you've said in other threads such as homosexuals and homosexuality ...love the sinner (as you see them) but not the sin you are, in this case, somehow trying to rationalize and justify that racism is ok so long as you don't *hate.* That's like saying 'I don't hate niggers.' Do you get *any* of that?

I've not come to conclusions on *many* things but racism I have. It is, imo, the biggest waste of time and energy imaginable. You can dislike...hate...despise anyone you want but if it's 'colour' that's pissin' ya off...poke your eyes out.

well said NJ, DL. Like to talking to a brick wall, except the wall ain't as thick.

Re: Likker....oh yah?

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Gid, what do you NOT understand in this sentence

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# Racism is hating or disliking a group of people based on the color of their skin.”

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Blocks are mine.

As for EvilBible, I wasn't aware that Xians could be reduced to one skin color, first of all. Second, EvilBible is critically examining words in a book. It is not saying that it "hates or dislikes" xians.

And I can only agree with what both DL and NJ have posted. Well said!

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"I have friends" should be sufficient actually.

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Yes. There is however nothing wrong with including black/asian/ etc. EXCEPT when you put the modifier/descriptor first.

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Both of you, honestly,..............I never thought of it that way. That makes me think different now. That really hit home.

I always felt that I was being hateful to say such things. I posted that, because of how I felt, and I always thought it was horribly wrong to say.

" You are no match for Lord Gorlok! "

Zynx, Gideon too if you're about.

Not always... but most usually you will find that racisim is rooted in economics. '...*they* are taking all the jobs.' '...*they* do nuthin' but collect welfare buncha lay-abouts.' You've heard similar, many times, I'm sure and when you take a good look at what's being said it's all about money...economics.

And you must be aware also that racism is not the sole domain of *white* people. I once found myself being the lone *white* person in a crowd of fifteen hundred people. Before attending this function I was taken aside by a friend who said, paraphrase; '... you must understand that there will be some people here who are very prejudice...' I acknowledged the warning and went about having an absolutely fantastic night.

But during the evening there was something of a major brawl at the front door. I had to see what was going on so out I go. "You niggers get the fuck outta here.' - 'You fuckin' ragheads go back to where you fuckin' came from.' Huh???

I'd always been aware of racism and prejudice from the *white* side because it was all around me... not in my house ever... but most everywhere else and it was pretty easy for me to understand how and why there could be racism and prejudice directed to *whites.* But never, until that very moment, did it ever enter my mind that this type/sort of racism existed.

This happened a very very *very* long time ago but I remember it like it was yesterday and could probably pull the culprits out of a line up today. I have heard 'similar' in recent years but from different groups and when I pay close attention to what's being said it always comes down to economics. '... you gotta watch them..they'll rob you blind. '....ah don't trust those bastards they'll undercut ya every time.'

My point... listen closely to what's being said. If you hear something that's not about money... hurry back and tell me...because that will be news. =)

Actually NoJive, it has more to do with being different and recognizable as being so - but what you say does have a lot of truth in it. Wealth, economic postion, and power always play a role in it as well.

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'My point... listen closely to what's being said.

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And along that line, I'd like to publicly apologize to WebShaman.

In that e-mail to you, I honestly thought I was just being rude with what I said.

But I was wrong, and I apologize for that.

You have every right to be disgusted by me, but maybe in time you will see that I am not that type of person.

" You are no match for Lord Gorlok! "

DL, you are right. I missed the point that skin color cannot be changed, yet beliefs can; so any persecution I face is voluntary persecution, wheras what someone who doesn't have that choice, it is involuntary, thanks.
On the second note, though, I think you are missing something. Yes, they can have their own interpretations of the Bible, but insults need not be present. That is where I was going with offensiveness. I will admit that there are quite a few good articles in there that should be read, but unfortuantely when I get on that site I am drawn to the "top ten" list, or the discussion board, or the "Church of the Theists Suck." These few articles and suggestions are what offend me personally. If they want to say that theism is wrong because..., that is okay, but if they say theists suck!, that is a different story...
Also, I have been learing about arguments, assumptions, and such in W131, and it seems to me that interpretations are okay, but they don't mean squat unless you can reasonably back them up with evidence. I can argue that EvilBible is ran by gnomes, but how many people would believe me? In the same light, evidence is needed to make a claim. The evidence for most of their claims are shaky at best. Some, I will agree, are an excellent interpretation of how violent God can be, or good interpretations of usually misinterpreted passages. But most fall short of having enough concrete evidence.

Nojive, I never, EVER said racism is okay, and if you (or anyone else) got that impression from what I have written, then I apologize. Racism is a nasty deed that gets in the way of love and unity. I can't stress enough how much people are hurting love and peace when they segregate themselves.

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It [EvilBible] is not saying that it "hates or dislikes" xians.

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Of course not. They just imply it. An interesting theory we have been using in W131 is the theory of "says X, but really means Y." Evil Bible might say, God does this, God does that, with killing and rape. They may have infered this all from the text, which is great interpretation skills. But why then, if it is only to educate others on the little known passages of the Bible, would they have demeaning things like the "top ten," or thiests suck?

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

You still don't understand - they are not attacking xians (or others of other faiths, for that matter) - they are making comparisons of the passages in the Bible, and interpreting them.

I don't get where you think they "hate or dislike" xians. The site may be anti-xian belief, but it doesn't look like it is preaching hatred or dislike of xians, themselves.

Yes WS, but they do it in an offensive manner. I have no problems with them interpreting the Bible however they like, the problem I do have is their offensiveness towards Christians. I am going to do an analysis of the top ten list, and the "Christians are hypocrits" articles in order to find what they are really about. I have found them offensive, but after I analyze them I will tell you if what I found has conclusive evidence either way. If I am either just being jumpy because my personal interpretaion is clashing with theirs, or if there is some truth to what I have found.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

It is not offensive unless one wishes to perceive it so.

Otherwise it is merely good, fact-based analysis.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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WebShaman said:

I don't see any Hate or dislike here. Or are you suggesting that there is, under
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I'm sorry, I didn't see this post before. Yes, I am suggesting that there is implicit dislike in the pages of Evil Bible, and I would go as far as saying that it is stigmatizing Christians.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

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Such accusations are usual from the religious, political party stalwarts etc., whenever the truth about their organization starts getting bruited about.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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Gideon said:

Yes WS, but they do it in an offensive manner.

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That's another one of those opinion things....which you, of course, are as free to have as anyone else is.

You are also free, as anyone else is, to make the choice as to whether YOU want to visit that site. You are not free, however, to try deciding that for other people, and it is absurd for you to suggest that links to that site not be posted.

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Gideon said:

but if they say theists suck!, that is a different story...

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If we are talking about effective methods of civilized communication, then I will agree with your statement. Beyond that, it means nothing.

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Gideon said:

it seems to me that interpretations are okay, but they don't mean squat unless you can reasonably back them up with evidence. I can argue that EvilBible is ran by gnomes, but how many people would believe me? In the same light, evidence is needed to make a claim.

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An excellent explanation of the problem with religion and the concept of god =)

Also an excellent illustration of the problem inherent in a religion based on the bible.[quote]

I still see nothing on that website that constitutes hate or dislike of xians themselves, but rather their beliefs - and that is something totally different, IMHO.

And further only some specific beliefs, which simply have these absurtities highlighted.

Dan @ Code Town

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I still see nothing on that website that constitutes hate or dislike of xians themselves, but rather their beliefs -

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The site is just poking fun at beliefs. Where's the fire?

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