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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/09/16/vatican_bid_to_find_gays_in_seminary_stirs_concern/

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/09/16/vatican_bid_to_find_gays_in_seminary_stirs_concern/

http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=Press_Room&CONTENTID=28880&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm

The princiaple reason for this, IMNSHO, is to divert attention from the fact the vatican is doing next to nothing to weed out the pedophiles in the clergy.

As the vast majoriity of pedophiles are NOT gay and are, in fact otherwise hetero-sexual, going on a gay pogrom MUST be seen as nothing more than religious bigotry and the aforementioned diversionary effort.

If the Vatican were to put this sort of effort into merely prosecuting the pedophile priests it already knows about and is hiding from prosecution (while they continue their depredations), it might go a little way to establishing a bit of respect for this ancient, dishonourable and hypocritical blight upon mankind, we call the Catholic Church.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

I wouldn't call a diversion so much as a gross and dangerous misunderstanding of pedophilia, and of homosexuality.

I feel very confident that many very ignorant people will applaud this move as the right way to rid the church of pedophile priests, and will go on completely unaware of (and uninterested in) the real issues behind pedophilia.

It is truly sad that the vast gap between sexual orientation and sexual predation is ignored.

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It is truly sad that the vast gap between sexual orientation and sexual predation is ignored.

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AMEN!

I will argue it is both a diversion and an INTENTIONAL 'mis-understanding' of the differences between the two.

You must bear in mind, it is impossibile to consider there are no pedophiles within the walls of the Vatican.

How likely is it those in power want to start a witch-hunt for themselves?

This also suggest an answer as to why pedophilia is treated so lightly by US and Canadian courts in particularl.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

I certainly wouldn't argue against the idea of this being an intentional derailment.

Sadly, the vast majority of the catholic public will see no difference whatsoever between homosexuals and pedophiles, and will swallow this whole, with no regard whatsoever for the very sound understanding we have of sexual predation, where it stems from, and how there is no connection whatsoever between homoexuality and sexual predation.

Ain't that the truth!

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Well when you've got a flock that buys into the virgin birth thing and look it's me I'm back.. you can pretty well sell them anything if you package it properly. Ron Popiel's probably up for sainthood.

(Edited by NoJive on 09-19-2005 02:48)

Hahaha! St. Ron!

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

However the churches have a serious problems with not gays (except pholisophically) but pedophiles and the Vatican actually has a policy of covering up all sex abuse complaints;

These are some of the 370,000 hits on Google for "Pedophia in the church", note; the search does not specifiy 'catholic' yet, there seem to be more involving the catholic church than any other.

http://www.ffrf.org/timely/pedophilechurch.php This one proves the CC has cover-up as it's primary policy when dealing with sexual abuse.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1623/is_200205/ai_n6952060

http://www.karisable.com/catholic.htm

http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-19563.html

If one reads these thoroughly and still comes away with the opinion the victims are not coming forward or that there is not a substantial effort to cover-up these predations, well...

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

While the catholic church is one small aspect of the problem, it is not the whole of the problem. Pedophiles reside in many positions in which they have he trust or power over populations. Do not forget politicians and other powerful people in this equation. You may not hear about them as much because they are better able to cover their tracks, but the problem does exist.

I know you like to focus on religion, and in the case of the catholic church I tend to aggree to some extent, but how many corrupt governments turn a blind eye to or even condone the trafficking of children to be used for sex slavery? There is a bigger picture to this that goes far beyond a group of perverted priests sodomizing young boys.

http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26296
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/163052.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4038249/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/061603sexrings.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3019838.stm

Ramasax
www.AmericanSerf.us

Forgot to mention, take an hour and watch this docu: 'Conspiracy of Silence'.

Ramasax
www.AmericanSerf.us

No argument Ram, here in BC the local teachers federation has twice admitted in court it transferred known pedophiles from school board to school board for decades.

Strangely, the federation has never been charged by local authorities, though a few pedophile teachers have been caught and convicted. There is no reason to believe the practice is not still prevalent.

Personally, I have always held the reason pedophilia is not prosecuted more vigourously, is due to the large number of them in politics, law and the courts among other institutions.

My comment referred to the fact the majority of hits I looked at, involved the catholic church. Certainly all churches have their problems.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

The type of person who is likely to be a pedophile is same type of person likely to be drawn into politics, teaching, the police force, and the priesthood (although the opposite is not necessarily true, of course).

D-man, the reason for the majority of Catholic hits could also have spawned from the recent attention given to the problem of pedophilia in the Catholic Church specifically. If there is more news, it would reasonably follow that there would be more web info on it. I would not dicount the possibility that there are many, many more organizations that perform the same shuffle, yet the Catholic Church is the most recent, and most controversial, to be brought to light.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD