Topic: Winning - follow up to my issues at work

Without making it a big debate, I am *winning* this struggle as well.
I'll have a hard time at understanding how and why people sounded like "naturally accepting" illegal or misplaced actions against them
in a professional context.

It even gives me the creeps: seriously, if people are likely to accept the inacceptable, and recommend ME to do the same,
we're in trouble.

Why posting this? Did not manage to make a point last time before the thread and crowd went nuts, it felt "unachieved",
and am facing the results of my wise actions during this troublesome period.
Reality proved me right, so there "must" have been a misunderstanding or too last time.

Day to day struggles in the Workplace are exactly that - day to day struggles.

If you are winning yours - good for you.

Why do you feel the need to post such, then pour fire and flame on those who offer you advice that you ask for?

As for the crowd going "nuts" - actually, you went nuts first.

*shrugs*

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

In your specific case, probably because while others that don't deserve naming were already turning it into flames, you jumped in with advice that made me sound like a whiney kid
whereas I had a real adult situation on my hands.

So, my personal grief against you is just this: if you don't know, don't talk, if you doubt,
ask, but while I think you *know* some people here are prone to bark at me at the tyniest occasion,
you came across as patronizing and "teaching the baby to swallow his tears" - on legally totally
absurd assumptions.

And there I was: the flock was following, you had helped lead them the wrong way,
and there was no way for me to get something I could *use* from that thread.

At least in Switzerland, comparing what you "assumed" was my boss's right on that one has proved you 100% wrong, sorry, but what I mentionned as illegal IS illegal here.

Making me look like an ass and pouring a ton of bad press on me with odd allegations was a true
pain, certainly not deserved, practically not right, helping none but the usual trolls
to ruin my stuff as you had given them a direction.

I have a couple of things to add, will keep them for later though...

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I understand your will was good.
But the act itself was very wrong.
I understand I hurt you and have been terribly harsh to you.

But I am a practicle being, and you were getting between me and my "gathering usable LEGAL advice" goal.

Actually, I don't particularly attach any emotional worth to your responses, so no, I haven't been hurt or harmed by anything that you posted, to be truthful.

And I did ask for you to give more specifics.

I also stated in my replies, "from what you have posted so far, it seems..."

To be blunt - there is no reason for you to be acerbic to responses to your post(s). Ignore those that are not helpful, take insight from those that are.

I also do not see myself getting between yourself and your goal. I am not sure how many members on this board are familiar with legal matters or the law in your country - but surely it is not many.

Perhaps you should consult with a lawyer.

Are you legally insured?

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

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Actually, I don't particularly attach any emotional worth to your responses, so no, I haven't been hurt or harmed by anything that you posted, to be truthful.

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Be real. Statements like the above and "As for the crowd going "nuts" - actually, you went nuts first." would make my 6 years old nieces laugh for even her can see the strong feelings behing it.

And why are you answering this thread in the 1st place?

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I also do not see myself getting between yourself and your goal. I am not sure how many members on this board are familiar with legal matters or the law in your country - but surely it is not many.

Perhaps you should consult with a lawyer.

Are you legally insured?

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And now, to quote myself in the above post:
if you don't know, don't talk, if you doubt,
ask,

CONGRATS! That's the difference between BIASED judgement and REAL advice.
Having said this before would have spared me a lot of wasted posts and energy.

As you are aware that some people here are likely to take the opportunity
to pour judgement on me, as you may be aware that crowds tend to follow
the general direction of a single person, I hold you 100% responsible of having actively helped
the thread drift by not admitting you had no precise answer in first place.

But making mistakes or having no answer is no crime by me, as long as you have the balls
to admit them and draw consequences.

--> to shed some more light on other events in that thread:

When I mention differences between me and guys like you, I am talking about these
kinds of "show and prove" or patronizing behaviors.

Why can't you just assume that a mere statement on MY side is just a mere statement?

Things like "I am a deluxe consultant" is what I am, in the same vein as "I am a cook" if I was
a cook, NOT as "I am a better professional you could ever be".
It just means my job, mindset and set of competencies is to give priceless IT advice, paid a fortune on a daily basis.

How do I assess facts like that without coming across as arogant?

It's exactly the same blame I put on Hugh during our recent clash btw:
"I've asked the lambs to just give me some calm to let me get the plan started".

DL-44 showed why this was well, well deserved on my side: absence of "I'd prefer doing it
this or that way" and the likes in the early stages of planning.

How did DL backup my point? He proposed something that made perfect sense
to a human being, and I spent time considering it, but in the end, it didn't apply
and would not work, would maybe help though.

Large-scale applications should be planned perfectly at first using strict methodology: emotions and assumptions and "tremendous ideas" that do not belong in that methodology should
by ALL MEANS be discarded first.

Crowds tend to follow the initiator of a movement.
Hugh's first response in that case was arguing on the engineering approach, therefore initiating the controversy.

A mod-bot like mine would be a gem once fine tuned, I shouldn't even "have" to prove it to anyone, I am "offering" doing it, a clever reaction would be to put all the energy you can
in helping me doing it.

The time spent answering Hugh, and the ten posters who'd had followed, and getting emotional,
and philoso-debating the why's and how's of AI...

All that total waste of time risked to have me divert from the original goal,
to have me have to implement ideas that don't make sense just for the sake of proving
they don't make sense, and to l-o-s-e m-y f-o-c-u-s.

Applications development is like building cathedrals nowadays: I can't afford drifting or risking to drift, and I can afford it twice less given the fact the Asylum is not likely to really help me implement ideas like that (prove me wrong on this one: check my request in the Mad-Sci forums, please, I am already wasting time working on html copies instead of the real thing - it can be finished over the weekend if somebody gives me a real hand as requested there), and that *wild* comments and *original development methods*
are just likely to kill the effort altogether.

Then again, this whole stuff doesn't entitle me to treat you like a cunt, I took liberties myself
on this. And I don't regret it, as long as the movement leads to something
good for the whole of us.

^ That is an example of you going nuts.

Why do you do that?

I am not remotely interested in your pyscho-babble, Mauro. You have so many different ways of giving everybody and everything else the fault for your troubles, that it really doesn't make any sense at all to attempt to address them.

You posted here, in a public forum.

You get advice, opinions, observances back.

If you don't like what you read, tough. Don't read them, don't attach any value to them.

As I stated before, take what is useful to you from the posts that you find useful, and leave the others.

Can you do that?

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Your not better than anyone else, the sooner you realise that the better.

All right, boys. If this is gonna get any uglier, Take it outside.

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If you don't like what you read, tough. Don't read them, don't attach any value to them.

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They don't have personal value, they reflect the current average intelligence of the entity called Asylum, so they are good indicators of wether using words of more than
4 letters is worth something.

Definitely, db, some mod, put the shit where it belongs, I am tired of hearing the same idiocies over and over. And yeah, I always love getting hate mail from idiots,
so if you feel like giving me a good laughter, mauro@beyond wonder land dot com

...<some chit-chat later>

* Invites WS over for a peacepipe.

....go figure.

*hands over the peacepipe after taking a toke*

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

It looks like this discussion has run its course.

G'night folks.