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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	Suho...I am glad you bowed back in. [quote]Allow me to play a little devil's advocate with the following question: Do you believe that those who do not share your beliefs are spiritually doomed (i.e., destined to suffer for eternity)?[/quote] I am going to explain myself but feel free to direct me in a better mode to explain if I do a poor job. As I admire and welcome your thoughts on your way of zoning in and giving us your feedback. I speak for my personal beliefs and hope to give the impression I am not speaking in defense of my belief.. Just realting what believe in along with the magisetirum. I want to note, for me, salvation is more than avoiding doom and getting into a heaven. It is sharing the power of a divine love with God. I do not believe those who do not share my beliefs are spiritually doomed... I make no judgements on the souls of anyone. To evangelize with the good news that Christ comes to us is good and to say they are doomed if they reject my way of worshipping God is wrong. I believe for one to be without the spirit of good could doom them for eternity. So they could spritually doom themselves. Its in their court, not Gods.... in like you reap what you sow...Because its to ones will..not God's that man separates himself. For me there are different plateaus of the spirit, cold, warm, lukewarm and on hot fire with the love of God. If God in all his mercy allows this one person who denied good for evil, does not abandon and spares a soul, its divine will. [quote]If your answer is no, then you've abandoned the official stance of Catholicism, which is that salvation is only to be found through the Catholic Church and its teachings. [/quote] I think for you to better understand where I am coming from bear my explanation please. The realm of the salvation issue according our faith is not complicated. I will try to explain why I have this view. The Church with the unending succession of its preachers is a constant spirit living & breathing revelation for us. Not just printed words from a holybook. What we call the magisterium of the church carries on the task of the apostles in (you share, you anoint, you forgive, you heal, you drive out demons) with the same divine power they possessed. The holy see and his bishops are not a sentencing judges, umpires, or traffic cops. That is Gods business. Instead they are involed in the unending 24/7 task to proclaim the news of salvation. Faith & bible scripture means all men are called to be universal in faith & in unity. And in different ways, belong or are ordered to be a universal faithful. This is for other sects who believe in Christ. And all mankind are called by God's grace to salvation. We accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who with the bonds of the profession of faith come together in the visible/invisible structure. Though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity (love) could not be saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but in body not its heart. We believe we are joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of the apostle Peter. This is why those who are baptized ouside the Church in the name of father, son and holy spirit we have a common bond in Christian Unity. How can we not love and share in the name of Christ. This is contrary to the will of God. Those who have not yet received the gospel are related to the Christians in various ways. Jews, Muslims, Jehovas, and other organized sects that adhere to loving principles though no fault of their own do not profess fellowiship. Jews are the first people of God in the new covenant. We are linked to them in they are the first to hear the word of God. Unlike other non-Christian religions, its already a response to God's revelation in the OT . They belong to the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises too. And when one considers the future, God's people of the OT and the NT people of God tend towards similar goals: awaiting of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus. The Church's relationship with the Muslims is in the plan of salvation also. They profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful Allah,mankind's judge on the last day. They believe Jesus a great prophet and Mary his mother they venerate and revere as the mother of a great messenger more than some Christian protestants do. When Jews, Muslims look up to the skies to call upon their God. Does only their God answer them or does mine answer them too. Yes. because I believe its the one true God of us all. My God is their God. The son Christ who extends himself as God man is the God of Abraham too. The God of Muhammud and the God of the Chrisitans are all one in the same God I believe hears us all. We believe the church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race. We believe all nations of the world form but one community. Humanity is this community. This is so because we believe we all stem and migrate from the one stock which God created to peoples the entire earth, and also because we all share a common destiny, namely God. For us, his providence, beauty, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all to the day when the elect are gathered together in a heavely city of where we do not know till our fulfillment comes. We believe that there is goodness in many creeds. God wants all men to be saved. How could she consider to just forsake those who are not in a communion. The church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions of good as a preparation for the gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life eternal. [quote]Try telling a Muslim that Allah is the same god as Jehovah and see what he says. Or how about a religion originating in my country of residence--the Unification Church (commonly known in the States as "the Moonies"). Rev. Moon and his followers believe that he is the reincarnation of Christ (the returned Messiah). Rastafarians believe the same of Haile Selassie. What are we to make of this?[/quote] Your right.. Other sects may have the view that they worship a different God, but many do no. They believe in a brotherhood of all faiths In some religious behavior, however, some men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Like Moonies and rastaferans, etc... Very often, deceived by service to themselves instead of leading persons to service to the true God they have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served a creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed & expose others to the ultimate despair. To reunite all scattered and led astray, God wills to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." And this is according to our Catholic belief. [quote]If your personal beliefs reflect traditional Catholic beliefs, then what you are trying to say is probably that every religious individual is seeking Jehovah, but only Catholics know the true way to him. Everyone else is basically misguided. This is a more consistent position, and I suspect that this may be what you are trying to say.[/quote] I would say we all are trying to seek the ultimate truth and its a journey. Not all are given the same vision. Its according to the sincere heart. One who does find the hidden treasues will continually look for more of them. I would not say eveyone outside the my faith is misguided becasue that reflects that only I know the way. I believe I am in the right boat going on a journey. And if one prays for guidance he will find what he is seeking. And that would be truth in its fullness. Remember.. I am not trying to preach. Just explaining the way of my church's belief. [small](Edited by [url=http://www.ozoneasylum.com/user/3156]jade[/url] on 08-23-2007 02:30)[/small] Loading...
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