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WS: I see what you're saying, but that was not the issue in question, and it was not what you implied with your original post. You said that you came to the conclusion there was no god because of what you saw, that you came to grips with reality. Belief does not stop a bullet. OK, I can buy that. If this is the reality that you accepted, fine. But when you go from that to concluding that god does not exist, you have still made the jump from fact to belief. You get what I'm saying, right? There are facts, and then there are interpretations of those facts. Let me give an example. Let's say a man is threatened by someone with a gun. To be more specific, let us say that this is happening in a country with no religious tolerance, and the man being threatened is a religious individual. He is told that he must give up his faith or die. He chooses death. But when his assailant pulls the trigger, nothing happens. Now this man believes that God spares his life by causing the gun to jam. His belief is based on a fact--that the gun jammed and he was not killed. He chooses to interpret this fact in such a way that it strengthens his faith. But this is just a belief. The only fact is that the gun jammed. In your case, it is a fact that people died regardless of their beliefs. But once you begin interpreting those facts to come to a conclusion about the existence of god, you enter into the realm of belief. I do understand what you are saying about natural laws, though. I think we are on the same page now. DL: The logic I was referring to was the logic of the argument, although it would appear that I had misinterpreted what WS was saying.
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