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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	[quote]But when you go from that to concluding that god does not exist, you have still made the jump from fact to belief. You get what I'm saying, right? There are facts, and then there are interpretations of those facts.[/quote] If you have ANY evidence of the existence of a god, please present them. I mean factual evidence according to the natural laws and the scientific method. It is not a belief to hold that something does not exist, if there is absolutely no evidence for it, and in fact all evidence points to the contrary. That goes a bit further than just belief here, Master Suho. What I witnessed does disprove the existence of a god that can bend natural laws. Remember, the Bible and other Holy Books are making the claim - not me. When one makes a claim, one has to provide the evidence and facts to back it up, or the claim is discredited. This is why it falls under the catagory of Belief in the first place! Now, as I said, on the metaphysical level (where we can argue Do we truly exist? - and not come to a definitive conclusion, etc) - yes, you are correct. This is why I concur with DL about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. If one chooses to move god to this level, then yes, your postulation is correct - one cannot prove or disprove that it truly exists. However, this goes for all things reduced to this level, to be honest. But you know this. [quote]Let me give an example. Let's say a man is threatened by someone with a gun. To be more specific, let us say that this is happening in a country with no religious tolerance, and the man being threatened is a religious individual. He is told that he must give up his faith or die. He chooses death. But when his assailant pulls the trigger, nothing happens. Now this man believes that God spares his life by causing the gun to jam. His belief is based on a fact--that the gun jammed and he was not killed. He chooses to interpret this fact in such a way that it strengthens his faith. But this is just a belief. The only fact is that the gun jammed.[/quote] As for the gentleman who thinks that his belief saved him from being killed by the gun - it is quite the opposite. The natural laws saved him. We can repeat the experiment, and it is not reliably repeatable in his case (with different guns, different ammunition from a different manufacturer, etc) and I guarantee you he will be killed. If, however, we reproduce the exact conditions that happened before (same gun, exact same ammunition, conditions, etc) then I guarantee you that he will not be killed, belief or no belief. But you know this, as well. What my realization was, is that reality (the natural laws around us) preclude the existance of a god (or gods) that can change and bend the natural laws as they will in favor of those who believe in them. [url=http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/397/]WebShaman[/url] \| [i]The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles[/i] Loading...
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