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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	[quote]On the other hand, I also believe that one can believe in God and not be stupid. I hope you'll agree with me there. If not, well, I suppose that's your right.[/quote] I have never asserted, nor will I, that someone who believes in god is somehow not intelligent, or is stupid. That would be indefensible, and it would do grave injustice to those like yourself and Bugs, to name a few. Back to this : [quote]You know that I agree with you on most counts, but this statement is incorrect. While it shows that people die regardless of faith or the lack of it, it does not prove or disprove anything about the existence of any gods. It could too easily be argued that 1) god simply did not intervene or that 2) god intervened and the outcome was one that he desired.[/quote] I disagree with you here, DL. If a god can bend the natural laws, and actually does so, then it should be measurable. If it is measurable, then it can be proven. If it can be proven, then it is no longer belief. Please provide me with proof that a god has bent the natural laws, please. And a god has never "interviened" in such a conflict - there are no measured examples of one doing so. One can suggest it, but one cannot provide evidence that one ever has, at least, not to my knowledge. I am, of course, open to any evidence to the contrary. Now, as I stated before, one can reduce (or raise, whatever) the whole god concept to the metaphysical level, to that of the Flying Spaghetti Monster - and of course then your statement would be correct - in fact, just about any statement could be correct. I suppose there could be some sort of Supreme Being that exists, and is totally impartial to the natural world, laws, etc, and could intervene but chooses not to. But then, what value should such a Being have to us? For all intents and purposes, it does nothing for or against us. It has the same value as the Flying Speghetti Monster, to be honest. It remains in the realm of the "what if..." and there is no evidence supporting the existence of it, nor will there ever be such forthcoming, for it exists outside of the natural world and the natural laws of that world. One could say that it has its existence outside of existence, itself. Thus it is unmeasurable, unprovable, and is in that sense equal to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Let me put it to you this way : Picture yourself on a battlefield. A real one. This is not a movie, this is not a game, this is not a drill. It is the real thing. You have your buddies, your equiptment, and the enemy. At some point in time, it starts. Sometimes it is sudden, and all hell breaks loose. Other times it is a slow, building sort of thing. But there you are, in the thick of it. In all of this, with life and death hanging in the balance (very real, not some sort of imagined thing), what is the value of believing in a Being that will not help or hinder you? Keep in mind throughout the battle, and every other one that you participate in, there will be absolutely a totaly LACK of any evidence, whatsoever, that the Being that you believe in is influencing things for your benefit (or not, as the case may be). So after the war is over, you have survived. You know that it is not because of the benevolent good graces of the Supreme Being that you believed in, because nowhere was there any shred of evidence that there was such at hand. And that is the point here. Reality really does stick it's blunt nose into things. I found it very difficult to keep of the veil of illusion of belief any longer. It became more and more hollow, when compared to the reality of the situations that I had experienced, firsthand. It is the total lack of evidence, not just during the war (although that is when my eyes were first pried open), but since then. I learned alot more about the natural world and the natural laws afterwards, about the scientific method, and about logic. I am 42 years of age, now. And I have yet to witness, experience, or behold one shred of evidence that a god exists. Perhaps you have something different that you can present? [url=http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/397/]WebShaman[/url] \| [i]The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles[/i] Loading...
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