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[quote] [b]WebShaman said:[/b] I disagree with you here, DL. If a god can bend the natural laws, and actually does so, then it should be measurable. If it is measurable, then it can be proven. If it can be proven, then it is no longer belief. Please provide me with proof that a god has bent the natural laws, please. [/quote] You are missing the point. You said that the circumstances in your story *proved* that there is no god capable of bending the laws of nature. They don't. THe other aspect of what I was saying is that a god capable of manipulating the outcome of something would not necessarily need to break any laws. After all, if there were a god, it could be said that those laws are his laws, and surely he would know how to use them ;) But that's all off the topic really. The only real point I have in regard to this is that the outcome of the situation you related above does not prove anything whatsoever in regard to a god or gods. [quote] [b]Suho1004 said:[/b] On the other hand, I also believe that one can believe in God and not be stupid. I hope you'll agree with me there. If not, well, I suppose that's your right. [/quote] Surely a belief in god does not require a person to be stupid, and clearly many very intelligent and well reasoned people have such a belief. This is a bewildering to me, however (and certainly, the stupid ones tend to get the better press ;) ). I have no quarrel with any person who simply professes a belief in god, and find no reason to dispute such beliefs in and of themselves. The application of such beliefs is where things get interesting... FWIW As for the start of the topic, ID itself...surely we've covered all that needs to be covered on that front in our previous discussions. I don't see anyone arguing that ID should be taught in science class, or that it is a valid scientific theory, so....I'd say we're done with that ;)
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