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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	[quote]quote: WebShaman said: I disagree with you here, DL. If a god can bend the natural laws, and actually does so, then it should be measurable. If it is measurable, then it can be proven. If it can be proven, then it is no longer belief. Please provide me with proof that a god has bent the natural laws, please. You are missing the point. You said that the circumstances in your story proved that there is no god capable of bending the laws of nature. They don't. THe other aspect of what I was saying is that a god capable of manipulating the outcome of something would not necessarily need to break any laws. After all, if there were a god, it could be said that those laws are his laws, and surely he would know how to use them But that's all off the topic really. The only real point I have in regard to this is that the outcome of the situation you related above does not prove anything whatsoever in regard to a god or gods.[/quote] I think either you are misunderstanding me, or you really disagree. I will try to better explain my point here. What I experienced proves that there is no god or gods ACTIVELY altering natural laws in a manner that we can measure. Thus, that puts any god or group of gods into the mystical realm of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Remember, the Flying Spaghetti Monster could be manipulating the Laws of Nature as well - because they are ITS laws. Or perhaps the Flying Spaghetti Monster just was not interested in intervening and saving all those lives for that war. Just out of spite. Or whatever. Same argument, same validity. Same total lack of evidence. It does not disprove that a god or group of gods exist, in the same manner that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists or doesn't. What it does disprove, is that there is an active god or group of gods that will intervene and alter natural laws, especially when the situation is most dire (I only consider two other cases to be more important than the lives of individuals - that being the eradication of an entire folk, ethnic group, etc, and the top one, the extinction of the entire species). [quote]quote: quote:I disagree with you here, DL. If a god can bend the natural laws, and actually does so, then it should be measurable. If it is measurable, then it can be proven. If it can be proven, then it is no longer belief. Please provide me with proof that a god has bent the natural laws, please. I disagree. You're assuming several things, including: - Although having the power, God actively bends the laws of nature. What if He doesn't feel like it today? - We currently have the means to observe the laws of nature being bent. For most of history we didn't have the means to observe most of our galaxy, it doesn't mean it didn't exist.[/quote] No, I am not assuming anything, here. A god that does not do anything is as tangible and as useful as the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It is just as valid. See my comments above. True, we currently have means to observe the laws of naure being bent, and for the most part of history we did not have the means to observe most of our galaxy - and true, it did not mean that it didn't exist. But the lights in the skies from those galaxies could be seen, were cataloged, and named. We know that Mankind has always looked to the Heavens, probably since the first time he could stand and look up. We also know that the light from those galaxies has been shining for x amoung of time, and that it has been shining back then. Thus, we can prove that those lights that we saw before, were actually stars and galaxies. Back then, Mankind did not know this, but [b]COULD STILL SEE THE EVIDENCE OF SUCH[/b] with their own eyes, did so, and recorded this as they could. This is a case where our science has advanced to a point that it allows us to also prove things that have happened before and predict what will happen in the future. None of it has found one single [b]SHRED[/b] of evidence supporting that a god or group of gods exist. In fact, in the light of the lack of evidence, it is prudent to conclude that there isn't any that are measureable by our science, and that do not alter the natural laws in a manner that we can detect or observe. Keep in mind that a god or group of gods that can alter, bend, manipulate, etc the natural laws without leaving any evidence thereof is not measurable, observable, nor detectable. It thus becomes a thing that exists purely in the metaphysical realm that also houses things like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. This means, for all intents and purposes, that a god or group of gods are moved into that Metaphysical realm that is also occupied by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Note that for the record, I am NOT SAYING that my experiences have disproved that a god or group of gods can actually exist - on the contrary, they can easily co-exist alongside the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the metaphysical realm quite happily. [url=http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/397/]WebShaman[/url] \| [i]The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles[/i] Loading...
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