Topic awaiting preservation: Out of body experiences? (or NDEs)?

...Okay, I showed you mines. Tool constantly show theirs in their videos.
What about yours? Have any asylumnites experienced NDEs, or astral projection so far?

I've experimented with Astral Projection in the past, spent a lot of time meditating, and using creative visualisation.

The mind is a powerful thing but I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't have the power to truly be outside of itself or its owner, but it can certainly convince its user of otherwise.

So what I'm getting at is that these experiences are comparable to dreams, more specifically lucid dreaming.

Blaise : interesting, thank you. However, in my case, these experiences have led to results like - me describing a remote and unknown area by scent. I was able to tell several persons what they were drinking, the components of their perfume, which flowers were in their garden, if they were smokers, etc.

I also am able to read auras remotely : to give a snapshot of the current state of a person.

And much more importantly : I mentioned healing according to the Buddhist methodology. Well, today, let me quote a fresh testimony I received from a person who was desperate... keeping in mind he lives on another continent, and I do this for free (I believe health is our birth right).

(while I dig it up : this is the method I myself practice - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLh7TzGHuHU
and I am able now, after daily training, to pull some of these - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkfMdIPE7QU )

More Buddhist healing here : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x57nzu_exploits-physique-des-moines-shaoli_news
The perspective of Harvard on the above : http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html

And biologists experiencing OOBE (assisted, shamanic/Ayahuasca experience, do not try this at home). http://deoxy.org/shamansci.htm

Now, a fragment of what I did on the daily for a year :

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Argo Navis So many things I have learned. How to stitch ligaments back together, how to cast etheric balms, when and how to use internal medication, how to deal with asthma or sinusitis, I treated a cancer. Never got a dime for it, never will accept a dime for it : the smiles of the people I love, their bewilderment at seeing health is a given when we have the know-how - and doesn't require hazardous medication.

The act of giving love. Some dare put a price on that and look at me in the eyes.
January 10 at 5:18pm ·

Derek - its working dude! ))
January 10 at 5:20pm ·

Derek - (((BLESSINGS)))
January 10 at 5:23pm ·

Argo Navis I know mate, thank you for confirming I promised you - like I promised them all : no matter the effort it takes, I will stay True to all.
January 10 at 5:24pm ·

Derek - Argo is the real deal folks (((YEAH)))
January 10 at 5:24pm ·

Derek - love ya man ))
January 10 at 5:25pm ·

Argo Navis Love ya Derek What was it? Two years and no one could get you through? The thing is... you ALL are the real deal and have this immense power within.
January 10 at 5:27pm ·

Derek - 3 years and lots of money. You have taken merely a week, im not quite there but the difference is so noticable, nice to actually have a diagnosis! The advice you have given is spot on, and the pranic healings-AMAZING! I thank you ))
January 10 at 5:33pm ·

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Kindly note that this patient is a specialized medical assistant (as many others I helped this way).
I finished with him yesterday. His ailment is completely gone. I am in Europe. He is on the other side of the Ocean.

Also : there is such a thing as quantum entanglement, between particles over any distance. I believe phenomena like OOBEs
and remote abilities is totally compatible with a macroscopic "echo" of such subatomic laws.

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(Edited by argo_navis on 01-22-2010 12:17)

quick question...are you claiming that you heal peoples ailments with meditation, visualization and such???

Later,

C:\

Would you submit to being tested according to the Scientific Method?

If so, please do.

You will need an independent tester, of course and a controlled environment.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

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WebShaman said:

Would you submit to being tested according to the Scientific Method?If so, please do.You will need an independent tester, of course and a controlled environment.WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.- Sophocles

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....r u serious...."scientific method"...have u been following the latest scientific discoveries, they r becoming more and more like scifi movies....society will need to define new parameters and as well new measurement tools

~Sig coming soon~

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binary said:

they r becoming more and more like scifi movies

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Got an example?

Later,

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There is no reason to "redefine" the Scientific Method - it works just fine.

Humans, on the other hand...well, they have always had a penchant for exaggeration, among other things

Never confuse misuse of a system by humans for a problem with said system. You need to examine the system itself and see if the problem is inherent in it or not.

The Scientific Method has survived peer review and the evidence is repeatable, so it is a reliable way of proving something.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Cprompt : yes. Got an ailment? Send it my way.

WebShaman : yes, of course, however, the conditions of such an experiment must be extremely well defined - by someone who is both a scientific expert and a practitioner of meditation on the daily.

For the reasons detailed in those - governmental - research projects.

http://www.lightworkers-federation.com/health/about.php


Kindly remember, also, that you have yourself testified of experiencing an NDE and "strange phenomena" while in the USAF, and written this in the Asylum records - I come in humility and peace with 268 cities and 50 countries following my teachings. You're not renowned for having ever fostered either.

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Also, Blaise.... I am a smoker, still, but that heavy scent of pipe or cigar, combined with those papers which capture dust quite well : as the guys above tell me all the time, "PRANA MUST FLOW!". o)

And Poi.. is very right about his after shave - Some Bulgari, lightweight scent I would say.

(Oh and.. before I go do something more productive : here's a challenge for you. Prove me wrong now, post a cam cap of Blaise's place, and one of Poi's toilet set within, say, the next working day).

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Kindly remember, also, that you have yourself testified of experiencing an NDE and "strange phenomena" while in the USAF, and written this in the Asylum records - I come in humility and peace with 268 cities and 50 countries following my teachings. You're not renowned for having ever fostered either.

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What does that have to do with my comments?

I have never denied what I have experienced, but then, I also said that I CANNOT OFFER PROOF of what I experienced.

As such, my experiences are personal and only pertinent to myself. I know that I cannot prove what I experienced.

It is also possible that the events that I experienced took place soley in my own mind. I have since then seen some fascinating research into that sort of phenomena.

I posted that you should get this documented and proved. If you truly can do as you claim, then it would truly change much.

As for the humility and peace comment - well, just posting that little tiddle is enough to reveal that you are not coming in humility and peace (otherwise, you would not feel the need to point something like that out). Also, either you are what you claim (live it, do not claim it) much like Neo learned from the Oracle : either you are it, or you are not.

Claiming you "come in humilty and peace" and then demonstrating in the same paragraph that you are not is hardly constructive.

Pretty strange and erratic behavior, I might add. Why would you want to post something like that? It does not help your position in the least. It makes you look bitter and hostile.

Sad.

I will remind you to behave in this forum.

'Nuff said.

I tell you what - you tell me what cologne I have in my bathroom. I can post pics of my bathroom without problem.

Oh, and if you do decide to come here out of body, beware of the Spirit Bear and the Bat totem. You have been warned in advance.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

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Just to clarify you want to see a picture of my home? can you be specific about what you'd like to see in the picture.

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CPrompt said:

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binary said:they r becoming more and more like scifi movies

Got an example?Later,C:\

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You need to do your research and be more open minded....here are just a few links I came up with with within seconds

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100107143909.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3811785.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/2157975.stm

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WebShaman said:

I will remind you to behave in this forum.

'Nuff said.I tell you what - you tell me what cologne I have in my bathroom.

I can post pics of my bathroom without problem.Oh, and if you do decide to come here out of body, beware of the Spirit Bear and the Bat totem. You have been warned in advance.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.- Sophocles(Edited by WebShaman on 01-26-2010 01:23)(Edited by WebShaman on 01-26-2010 01:24)

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WebShaman u sure did have me cracking up this morning ?..and I think u were having a rough day to interprete argo?s message so negatively?..remember people see and hear what they want to hear?.

~Sig coming soon~

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You need to do your research and be more open minded....here are just a few links I came up with with within seconds

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easy there. You are the one that brought it up without supplying any info. I do plenty of research and I am about as open minded as they come. But I'm not going to make any judgments on what someone says without them explaining what they are talking about. No rash judgments. That's why I asked argo :

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CPrompt said:

quick question...are you claiming that you heal peoples ailments with meditation, visualization and such???

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instead of just jumping in and bashing him. ;-)

Later,

C:\

Or let's face it, going into the girls changing rooms...

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argo_navis said:

I am a smoker, still

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Physician heal thyself.

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?Privatize the Profits - Socialize the Losses.? Randi Rhodes

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Well binary, I think this is the deciding point

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I come in humility and peace with 268 cities and 50 countries following my teachings. You're not renowned for having ever fostered either.

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Now, the first sentence, of and by itself, is harmless enough. Although I would argue that stating the number of cities and countries that "follow" his teachings after stating he comes in humility is contradiction enough.

But with that last sentence (which, by the way, is a personal attack - if he had posted "I am not aware of you having fostered such", that would have been different because it is neutral in tone. But the inclusion of the word ever here is what is deciding. Ini/AN does not know me in real life, so he cannot know what I have fostered or not. Thus, the inclusion of ever is a falsity, first of all. Second, since our interaction is mostly restricted to this forum, it is based then on things that have come before here. And I have fostered humility and peace occasionally here (not that I would think that Ini/AN would know that).

In any event, for one coming in humility and peace, resorting to a personal attack (call it a popshot if you will) at the end of such a paragraph is really self defeating.

It is like stating that one is an excellent marksman and is really good with weapons and then shoots oneself in the foot.

As for the Spirit Bear and the Bat Totem warning - that was actually me being nice. I do not assume that Ini/AN has any inkling about the spirit beings and protections that my People have slowly discovered and cultivated over tens of thousands of years of hard experience with the spirit world. With Ini/AN's meager 1+ year of experience, it is only just that he be fairly warned, once, of the dangers he would be facing if he chose to visit me in the spirit world.

Not that I think that he will look into it. But at least he was given fair warning on my behalf.

I find that pretty peaceful

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Which attack? This is a mere observation. For the record, you have been insulting and threatening countless people in these halls WS : we all have made mistakes. Some learn and evolve from it, but this is right :

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..and I think u were having a rough day to interprete argo?s message so negatively?..remember people see and hear what they want to hear?.

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Thank you binary. I recommend you re-read my post WS.

@Poi : I have not read your thoughts. I scramble my owns and never am allowed, by my spirit guides, into the spirit of someone who doesn't share an open love bond with me. What I did is "smell your area" as an extension of what is exposed here :
http://www.ted.com/talks/luca_turin_on_the_science_of_scent.html

@NoJive : Physician heal thyself.

Well, for the time being, it is this planet's health which is a "concern" to me. Kindly note, if you read what I posted about Shamen's position on tobacco, that properly used, it is a goodie. It's the addictive additions which make it a baddie. As far as I am concerned, wounds from past incarnations leave me with this in my shadow self : a tendency to denying myself what I like to give to others.

But I am well aware of it, and handling it.

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As for the Spirit Bear and the Bat Totem warning - that was actually me being nice. I do not assume that Ini/AN has any inkling about the spirit beings and protections that my People have slowly discovered and cultivated over tens of thousands of years of hard experience with the spirit world. With Ini/AN's meager 1+ year of experience, it is only just that he be fairly warned, once, of the dangers he would be facing if he chose to visit me in the spirit world.

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WS, you - are - contradicting yourself here, now admitting you believe/know about the spirit world.

However, you shouldn't fear me or attack me out of the blue, it is unnecessary. First, because I have no qualms or fear you can press here, "Oh Lord of my own ego, self, you are pure illusion, you do not exist". Then, because it defeats your point and damages your health. And also, because the express education I received encompasses a whole lot about Aborigenes history which, like the rest, I will gladly share.


For a brief example, the Cahokia "Serpent Mound" (more Kundalini allegory).
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/99/84499-050-46AD282B.jpg
And their own accounts of their history :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjrvDFHagsk

Then, the origin of Native American culture, one of the first sites : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

My frequent contacts with Lakota Indians, or their guides, typically, the white Buffalo calf woman, have led to these particular explorations, and more.

I say it again : we all have the power within. And warmongering is getting old.

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WS, you - are - contradicting yourself here, now admitting you believe/know about the spirit world.

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I have never contradicted myself - you ask me to read what is posted, and cannot do the same?

I have stated that such things are my personal experiences and that I cannot PROVE them to anyone else.

As for the spirit world, I "dabbled" as you are now doing, into it awhile ago. I got very, very lucky and didn't get into too much trouble during my very ignorant first tries, before I was taken under the wing of a much more experienced person.

After finding out about the sort of dedication such a journey takes, I found that I was not willing to invest that sort of time and energy into it.

So I stopped.

I have revealed this before in these halls, btw. I have no idea where you were at the time, Ini/AN.

Nowhere have I stated that I have not researched things about the spirit world, or learned what I could. I have posted numerous times about such experiences that I have had and I have never said that I have not had such experiences.

Again, falsities from you.

I can even distinctly remember when I mentioned that I believe in a Super Nature that DL-44 took that into question and we had an interesting discussion in that thread on that.

And an apology for your direct attack at me would be appreciated, or at least admit that you chose your words poorly. Admitting things was always your worst flaw, as I recall. Of course, I could be wrong here.

Perhaps you have worst flaws that I do not know about

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

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My God WS, you must suffer to try and distort truth to that extent. I will pray for you.
This said, again, no offense taken by me, but check your emotional and physical health. In your own best interest, you do feel fragile.

Now, if your emotions are going to push you to take this thread off topic past that point, then silence is in order, in advance thank you on behalf of everyone involved.

(Edited by argo_navis on 01-30-2010 17:28)

More insults.

I asked you to behave.

Can't you at least do that?

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

...Jesus. WebShaman : I believe your challenge is what is called a Munschausen syndrome.
It has treatments, unfortunately, a forum is not an appropriate context for you to obtain assistance.

In one of the links I posted earlier, (here, found it), you can find competent therapists and centers in Europe : http://www.bps.org.uk/

However, I have to insist, in order to avoid sporadically disrupting conversations, until you get well, try to refrain and instead write about your impulses in a journal. This will help you re-establish the internal dialog, and act as first steps towards a more balanced view.

You really have not changed, have you?

What a sad thing.

Whatever.

Just behave in this forum where I mod.

Over and out.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

I'm beginning to think this really is an asylum, you guys need to take your pills!

On OBEs or/and bi-locations...I definitly have had them...but the thing is I never knew what they were till it happened to me..I did not look for it. I did not study any kind of channeling, meditating or whatever you have to do to move out. Mine was spontaneous. I feel like I am a very spiritual person. I am open to the spirit world definitly. My religion is very mystical in its creeds. I know there are other planes of existence. I really dont think they are bad if you heart is in the right place with the creator. My experiences were good ones.

I must say that it is always interesting to revisit the Asylum from time to time ::waves::


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