Topic awaiting preservation: New mods?

Isn't it about time for some new mods?

We've got forums with mods listed who haven't showed their face around these halls for an eternity.

:::krets.net:::

I think the actual ones do their job very effieciently, even if it is not in their section... But I'm not qualified to tell you what to do

_________________
Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken. -- Frank Herbert

Some of us are around, but just kinda quiet.

LOL - I believe krets is talking about the Site Reviews forum

It might be handy having other mods there as I've been pretty busy and haven't had the time to give it the proper attention it deserves but that said the other MSs do a fine job as roving mods so.........

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Need a psychotic?

Oh and this should really be up to the Doc anyway

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Site Reviews, Photoshop, Sigs, some of the coding forums...

They all have mods listed who don't come around much anymore.

:::krets.net:::

not to mention some that simply shouldn't be mods anymore...

krets: Righto so they are:

------------
DHTML:
mr.maX, Slime, Bugimus, InI

Server-side:
mr.maX, WarMage, bitdamaged, InI

Photoshop:
docilebob, Michael, Jeni, warjournal

Big sigs:
mahjqa, Human Shield, eyezaer, Weadah

Site reviews:
Emperor, mbridge, YoYoFREAK, Allewyn
---------------------

Although I'd like to hear what the other mods (of the relevant forums) think persoanlly I can't see any problems with the PS forum. There has to be the provision for one or 2 mods to be on extended leave (as long as the other mods are active and OK with that) and I would be loath to remove mr.maX or Weadah from their positions, esp. as their skills and input are of the highest quality. In sigs majhqa does a great job and eyezaer is around and Human Shield has returned. Apart from Site Reviews all the other moderators are around here and drop in and out.

I could see the case for pos. injecting some new blood in as I don't think 4 was a set upper limit on the number of mods. I do also think we need to resolve the future of the HTML and XML/CSS boards as they were created with the idea that their activity would be reviewed.

One thing where there has been problems is in archiving - InI has done a great job in both his forums but when researching FAQs I will run across relevant old threads that should have been archived (I have tried to arhive anything that I found). However, the New Asylum should make archiving a much more straightforward process so mods can concentrate more on the smooth running of the forums, etc.

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

DL: Perhaps we should name names (esp. as I'm not clear who is being talked about).

I'd also be interested to hear what the other forum mods think - I have given my views on the Site Review forum (we need new mods).

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

~~~'s to F1, hey stranger *cough*


Edit by F1; Hey man, whats new?

[This message has been edited by F1_error (edited 04-28-2003).]

F1!!! wassup?? ICQ, man.... really...

the forum I see without a madsci is "XML - XSL - XSLT - XHTML - CSS - DOM"... any name that get put there will be token anyway, but it'll look nice, I guess..

I told you guys, didn't I... put the name of the thread down.... then at least you can search for it... but when it's gone, it's gone..


Code - CGI - links - DHTML - Javascript - Perl - programming - Magic - http://www.twistedport.com
ICQ: 67751342

Edit by F1 (again); Sorry man no ICQ, try email...

[This message has been edited by F1_error (edited 04-28-2003).]

[This message has been edited by Petskull (edited 04-29-2003).]

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

All sentimentality aside, if they're not around to do their jobs why not appoint someone to replace them until they return?

:::krets.net:::

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

InI, I'm glad to see you're back and all. But I honestly think you should rethink your "mod" position after that incident we had months ago. I'd really hate to see that happen again.

edit: Wakkos, Weadah, Max, and GRUMBLE are the only Psychotics I see that aren't here anymore, thus not fulfilling their position. Although Max is said to return soon after school, right?

[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 04-27-2003).]

krets: I'm not sure it is sentimentality more selfish self-interest (at least on my behalf) by leaving them as mods it would act as an encouragement for them to return once they have more free time. That level of skill and knowledge is not something I'd be happy with discarding so easily - I'd be happier with getting a fifth mod in some of those forums so we have people who can help pick up some of the slack left by our missing members. In the end this (and the fate of the HTML and XML/CSS forums) are up to the Doc and his longer term strategy. If he didn't want more than 4 mods then perhaps we should consider bumping out missing members.......

InI: Exactly:

quote:

---

What you found relevant that I didn't archive was certainly "ambiguous" to me.

---

which is why we need more than one active archving mod/forum (that way we can cover a greater range of expertise, interest, etc.). Hopefully the system TP is putting in place will make this whole process smoother and easier (worthwhile active threads can be marked to be automatically archived when they have been inactive for a while, threads linked to from the FAQ will get archived, etc.).

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

I think after a member has been gone right at a year or so then they would have no problem being replaced as being a mod since they aren't around to do their share. I know I wouldn't. If they return it won't be due to being a mod or not.

As far as closing threads; if it's turned to nothing more than a kindergarden level of fussing and of no use to the Ozone it will be closed. That's how it's always been and I feel sure will be. That's been the way long before some of you were here. No limits to stupidity around here at times and no limit to closing a useless, pointless thread. After a while you would think some would get the picture and think...wow if I show my A** their gonna shut down my threads. See? Simple huh ?



[This message has been edited by Shiiizzzam (edited 04-27-2003).]

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

(preface - obviously this is stated as my opinion)

Well, there's the (I believe) obvious things like krets mentioned - wakkos, Mr Max, mbridge, grumble, and few other simply aren't around, and mods who *are* around need to be filtered into the apporopriate areas. It's not a bad thing - things change, people's availability change, and it's pretty common practice that mods change as circumstances do.


To me it is painfully clear that Ini is not capable of holding a position as a moderator. Being a moderator has little to do with your knowledge of the subject - personal responsibility is a very large issue, and someone who threatens to hack and reformat the computers of other members (among other things) demonstrates very clearly that they do not have the level of responsibility to be moderating *anything* at all. When that person explodes everytime anything remotely negativve is said about them, and proceeeds to take it all out on anyone and everyone around, the situation is even more clear.

{{edit - and as I posted, this incapability has been demonstrated further. a member being '6 years younger' has little to do with anything either}}

I think Suho would be a prime candidate for site reviews mod.

Michael has demonstrated repeatedly that he is Mad Sci material.

Dracusis could fit into a variety of slots as a mod.

And aside from that, I think we're at a point where there may simply be too many mad sci's, many of whom are seldom around...though that is a vague issue and perhaps of small relevance.



[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 04-27-2003).]

Shiiizzzam: I agree a year seems reasonable unless the situation is desperate. Both mr.maX and Weadah are Mad Scis so technically not having their name listed as forum mods wouldn't actually stop them from being to do their duty - in fact should Mad Sci's really be listed as forum mods as they have a more roving remit (I suppose it doesn't matter).

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Well, a year is a long time but I was meaning that some haven't posted or been around about that long and it's time to get that area covered

InI; you're a MS...learn to shrug things off and set a example. THAT'S where you dig yourself in a hole.



[This message has been edited by Shiiizzzam (edited 04-27-2003).]

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Shiiizzzam: Sorry I'm feeling a little vague today

It is probably best not to set a limit on that but do on need - are some forums in need of having missing mods swapped? I'd say yes for Site Reviews but the others......

Anyway I'd second the nominations of Veneficuz and Suho1004 but I think it might be a little early for nominating people. I also agree that making Micahel a Mad Sci would make a lot of sense but only if changed his name back to taxon.

[edit: forgot Dracusis but he'd work there too or, given his range of skills - just about anywhere you care to mention ]

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

I found some old threads in the archives might be an interesting read:
What Mad-Scientists do besides dangerous experiments with us.
The doc is speaching about the duties and the reactions....
Sometimes it's too crowded
Becoming an MS....Live

just my 2c

__________________________________________
"Art has to be forgotten. Beauty must be realized."
Piet Mondriaan

[This message has been edited by Rinswind 2th (edited 04-27-2003).]

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

InI:

quote:

---

Plus as Emperor cleverly underlined, me doing it alone would give dhtml archives a "bad InI taste",
in that it would reflect what I find useful.

---

I really can't do anything right can I? You read far too much into my comments.

[edit: And I had avoided replying to any of your posts for precisely these reasons but I thought I'd actually give you some support because you had been doing most of the work there by yourself - this is the last time I'll reply directly to any of your posts unless I really, really have to]

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Print Graphics really needs a new mod, and maybe a name change to get more traffic like "print graphics and desktop publishing", or maybe we should just axe it as it hardly ever gets used. People wanting to know about print issues will like ask in the PS forum anyhow. I also think the Multimedia and PS Pong forums could do with new mods.

Oh and I defiantly think Soho would make a great addition to the reviews forum. As for me, well, I'm willing to do my bit for the community if the need arises, if not then eh, I'll just keep doing my thing. I also think JK would make an excellent mod, especially for the multimedia forum given his experience in digital video and other related technologies.

Although I thought Doc was the only one who had access to make/remove moderators and mad scientists???

quote:

---

Although I thought Doc was the only one who had access to make/remove moderators and mad scientists???

---

Of course. We're simply making suggestions...

I'd also like to say that Suho has put in alot of quality attention around here and I think he'd be a great MS as well.

I also have to agree with the previous statements about those who aren't around or just shouldn't have MS privledges.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

About de-modding persons who haven't been around.. it makes sense to demod them after a year or so, but on the other hand, it doesn't hurt if they stay. There's this line about 'you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave'. For the big sig forum; I don't think there's anything that needs to change. Human Shield is back, Izzy's around here someplace, and Wead could show up again anytime.

I'm pretty agreeable to the folks that have been mentioned that would be good to swap out.
Here's my specific list however:
Max, Jeni, Wead, Wak, Grumble, twitch... and an overhaul in the site reviews.
I don't think that anyone would be particularly fiesty because they've been removed from the mod listing of a forum in their absence. The reasoning behind the appointment to those positions should speak of their character that we all know already.
Whereas Max, Wead, and Stephen are all MadSci's already... it doesn't affect their "status" all that much..... it's just moving their name from the forum listing... and they still retain their privvies.
Jeni, Grum, and Wakkos are the issue I see. Can they even stay Psychotics as non-listed moderators?... I'd imagine so. We don't have anything like that now..... but eh... times are changin' I suppose. As been said... it's up to the Doc for stuff like this.
There is of course the topic of perhaps having more "titles" that comes up every 6 months or so..... Perhaps we could just give the folks who have gone on a bit of a sabbatical, a different/new title ... I dunno, just a thought. It's not like you're going to see their name in threads, so it's not a very large issue.
JK would be a good psychotic in the Multimedia section...
Suho and Veneficuz have my tip of the hat for Site Reviews...
Again, Drac could be listed in a few places I think...
On a somewhat related note, bumping krets' MadSci status into effect under the new nick would be good housekeeping.

I don't really think Pong needs to have anything new assigned. It's not a high traffic area... and hopefully there won't be a use for that section in a few months anyway. (that's wishful thinking at this point... but eh.. we'll see)

Archiving can really be a pain. I've been slack about it, that's for sure. With the incorperation of the FAQ, I just see it pointless to archive unless you're scouring the FAQ to slip the link into various places. Although it'd be nice to do a little bit of archiving everyday.... that's a tough task. I'm far more likely to sit down and archive for 5 hours straight.

I know the Doc is busy, but unfortunately I do think some decisions have to be made.
*points to the new asylum*

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

woo, i love these posts.

here's what i suggest:

my first name is adam

my last name is reitsma

email me at firstname@lastname.com.au if you want some help moderating a forum.

email doc if you have some other suggestions.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Or you could just stop posting every 1/2 hour and let it run its course....

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Let's just stay focused on the topic shall we? This is getting old as it ends up in almost every topic lately. Sometimes NO reply is a better answer.

Come on man, just stop it. Please?

Ok, so most of us agree there is need for a change or two.

I think the best thing to do now is to just email Doc with a link to this thread and let him decide on the best course of action, or inaction. After all, he's the one that has to make the changes. We've given our input on the situation and I think that's really all we can do for now. I just don't think sendng Doc a list of names and saying "we want these people to mod these forums" would be the most polite thing to do. I know he hasn't been here much lately but this is still his house.

^ absolutely.

I don't think anyone intended this to sound like "this is what we're doing". The intent has been discussion of the issue.

....and to get the input of the various forum mods - it isn't really worth wasting the Doc's time if nothing actually needed doing

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

I`m with reitsma on this one.
Contact info is in the profile. Let me know if you need me somewhere.
On the *dissappearing Mad Sci* thing, maybe remove their name from the forum header( as Michael suggested) and there is no need I see to alter their status. We`ll still love them when they return.




<edit> And on this bickering bullshit, let it go. Save the cerebral banter for the mail. We`re supposed to be the ones setting the example, here.(yes, I`m guilty, too. But I`m trying to quit). Just to clarify, that would be a good example we`re supposed to be setting. </edit>

[This message has been edited by docilebob (edited 04-28-2003).]

Woaha!

Don't know about removing titles...that's always a touchy subject...and I wasn't around, the time that Doc removed them all...so I will refrain from commenting on this particular subject...whatever the Doc decides, is fine with me...it is his home.

New mods...I really would like to see Master Suho be 'bumped up' to Mod status...and V, Drac, and Michael as well.

Has anyone written the Doc yet, on this subject?

I wasn't talking about removing titles. Just changing mods.

I don't see the point of them being listed as a mod if they don't even come around anymore. If they come back, they can have their job back.

:::krets.net:::

Well we could always demod the mods that aren't frequently active and then send them an email telling them to get off their asses and come on home if they want their position back .

Insider is right but i think send the email first and wait for reply...no reply? no MS.
Personally i don't think we need more MS's. But maybe a couple off Psychotics would be nice.

quote:

---

and I wasn't around, the time that Doc removed them all..

---

i remember that day...the asylum shaked on it's grounds.

<edit:> And when help is needed i too am prepared to do so, this place is important for me and the whole web. I also noticed there is no one listed for the XML-XSL forum. </edit>

__________________________________________
"Art has to be forgotten. Beauty must be realized."
Piet Mondriaan

[This message has been edited by Rinswind 2th (edited 04-28-2003).]

We've alrady cover this...

No MS's are going to get their rank removed. This is about making sure we have people "moderating" the site's forums not removing peoples privilages just because they haven't been around for a while.

we don't need anymore, what we have right now is enough to keep this site going. right guys?

I'd be prepared to put some time into server-side and-or XML/etc. if anyone thinks they need it. I'm not a prolific poster, but I am a 100% reader, I have skills in those areas, and at 50+ I hope I'm "old and sensible" enough for the job. I also won't be in the least bit miffed if the answer is "thanks but no thanks" ...


Bug-free software only exisits in two places
A programmer's mind and a salesman's lips

[This message has been edited by trib (edited 04-28-2003).]

*peeks head into the room to make sure everything is ok... and then walks on whistling a tune, right on my nightly patrol.. Is used to being in the background and being largely ignored hehehehe *

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

quote:

---

This said, Veneficuz has been one of the most useful mods for the site reviews,
-- Ini

---

Just to clear up any missunderstanings: I'm not a mod in the site reviews forum. But that said I would gladely do my share for the community. As Trib I'm not a very profilic poster, but I do read most of the posts around here.

I think Suho would make an excellent mod in the site reviews forum, and Trib likewise in the XML++ forum... And Drac could fill the role of Psychotic in most the forums around here...

But it's up to the Doc to make the desicions... Any one heard anything from him?


_________________________
"There are 10 kinds of people; those who know binary, those who don't and those who start counting at zero"

Some of you are turning this into something I never meant it to be. I wanted to appoint some new mods on one simple premise:

Certain folks don't come around here anymore so it might behoove us to appoint some new folks in their place.

*I never suggested stripping anyone of their titles.
*I never suggested removing anyone as a mod who is still around and wished to stay a mod.
*I never said anything about removing anyone on "moral grounds" as Ini put it.

Some of the forums are really building up large numbers of old threads. I thought that assigning some new mods might help get some people in there who would clean up their forums.

That's all. Now, can we leave all the other BS behind and continue the discussion off the abovie premise? Please?

If you have problems with each other or a persecution complex that needs stroking, please take that somewhere else.

:::krets.net:::

I just went and checked on the back up in the Ozone forum.
~jeez~
I`ll start there, doing some clean up every night.

I'll help with that, if you don't mind...and I'll take a look at the Phil forum, too...

Ok, you guys take care of all that and I'll go eat a big giant bag o' Skittles.

^ that's the spirit! =)

I'm not archiving shit and you can't make me

Seriously, though some may not post often, I don't think that means that they aren't still participating.
I archive regularly. Not daily. But when I do it, I sit for about an hour and do it.

Wanna give it to someone else?
I don't have a problem with that.

But I think other forums are more in need of additional mods then the PS. Freaking Ozone was out of control last time I looked.

Either way or whatever.
Yeah.

*eats a fuckin' cookie*

InI - I don't know why you attacked Insider earlier...he wasn't insulting you...Calm down some...Or not.

Michael - that's pretty gross...not to mention rude.

Couldn't you wait until the cookie was *done* fucking before you ate it??

Turns out it wasn't a cookie fucking...just an Oreo.

man, I love oreos....

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

I prefer the mint oreos =)
Preferably non-sexual ones...

Animal Crackers are where it's at...

:::krets.net:::

2 words - Teddy Grahams
Yeah baby

Keebler Fudge Stripes!

^ oh yeah!

how 'bout pepperidge farm milanos... =)

honey cinnamon or chocolate, all Teddy Grahams rock

Jason

Back on the topic, it depends on all of the Moderators, Administrators, especially to the owner. If they think they needed some new mods then here's your chance, but wait 'til they have the decision first.

Amen ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think.

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

*looks around*

*throws cookie at emps*

*runs*

:::krets.net:::

Hello all!

Since i don't have the time for coming around as much as i would like to, i understand if i get removed the 'psychotic' status, this is just for people who colaborates with the things in here, and i'm not doing that lately, i just want you to know that mod or not, i'll take all of your pills...

*shuts eyes quickly*

Wakky, put some clothes on! And leave my pills alone...sneaky bastard!

^^