Topic awaiting preservation: For people who knows how to write words in Japanese.

I wanted to know how to write the word "destruction" in Japanese characters for my art project. Thanks in advance.

破壞

Pronounced hakai in Japanese, pagoe in Korean, and pohuai in Chinese.

(I'm assuming that you have the proper fonts installed on your system to see that... if you don't, let me know and I'll send it to you as a graphic.)




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could you please send it to me as a graphic? so I could print out a copy?
I couldn't even see it, I think this computer doesn't have the translation feature, the language barrier is on.

[This message has been edited by Yannah (edited 06-17-2003).]

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the language barrier is on

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That is classic.

I sent a .PSD file to your e-mail.

Suho, what is a .PSD and how do I open it?

[This message has been edited by counterfeitbacon (edited 06-17-2003).]

Um, what?

Are you relaying a message for Yannah or something? What exactly is going on?

Anyway... a .PSD file is a PhotoShop Document, and you open it with PhotoShop.

I'm still pretty confused as to what is going on here.

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-17-2003).]

Ahhh...Fuck.

I was being sarcastic. Except, it wasn't very good sarcasm, because I'm not very good at being sarcastic. I was poking fun at Yannah. Sorry.

Ah... um, OK. Well, I'm glad that has been cleared up, at any rate.

[Edit: Also, I'm not sure if that would qualify as sarcasm. I think that was more along the lines of mockery...]

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-17-2003).]

hey, counterfeitbacon, could you please stop mocking me?

well, I still couldn't open it from my email 'cos I'm using the computer at my school. I'll go find another wait...

meow

hey Suho!
could you please send it as .jpg file? These computers at school doesn't read .psd. Thanks.

back up off yannah foo

shut up whoever you are.
I'ma open the net at home after school. I'll try, I might be busy working on my site ^-^

Yannah: I'll send it as a .gif, which the school computers should be able to read. Hope it's not too late.

[Edit: File away...]

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-18-2003).]

thanks.

it doesn't look like Japanese to me. How come?
are you sure it is Japanese?

Dude, I think he'd probably know how to frickin' write something in Japanese.

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well, I didn't know because the pic. looks like written in chinese. LOL

Hi, Yannah. Suho's answer is right.
Japanese use three types of character which is Hiragana, Katakana, and Chinese.
Suho's answer is right. It is using chinese character though.
If you want to know how to write in Hiragana, I can send it too you.
Cya.

Hiroki Kozai

please do so, please I need to print it out now.

Hi Yannah! As always thanks for being ungrateful and ANNOYING as all hell!

Suho did you a nice favor, despite your obvious lack of respect and BRAINS and then you tell him it "doesn't look Japanese", based on your vast knowledge I'm sure.

Tell me, how would you be able to know what's what if you don't know the languages in the first place?

I grow tired of your insolence and because of people like you I visit here less and less everyday... Thanks for being part of ruining a good thing.

Ass.

I know that synax, In fact I already thanked him. K? So, why not just listen to me.
I'm just making sure that it is in major japanese language, because I'm doing it for my art project. And I know that I have explained what's the use of this thread. I wanted to pass my subject, is that so hard to understand? Why not stop being such an ass and maybe just maybe we'll learn how to get to know each other. J.K.
Hiroki told me that it is in chinese character so I'm getting his help too.
I'm greatful that SOMEBODY can actually help me with this.

OK, reading synax's response has been a nice vicarious experience, allowing me to remain calm. Thank you, synax.

Yannah: As Hiroki explained, Japanese uses three different writing systems (four, actually, if you count romaji). Most words in Japanese (especially nouns), though, are written in kanji (Chinese characters). If you asked a Japanese to write the word "destruction," he/she would most likely use the kanji, not the hiragana. When I was learning Japanese, we used hiragana all the time. Then I actually went to Japan and discovered that practically everything is written in kanji. I'm pretty sure Hiroki can back me up on this.

Anyway, what I sent you is authentic. If you want the hiragana characters, perhaps Hiroki will oblige you. Personally, I think kanji have a certain grace and beauty that work well in design. It's up to you, though.

Also, a telling comment:

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well, I didn't know because the pic. looks like written in chinese

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To you it's a picture. To Hiroki and I (and others here), it is a word, and carries with it all the power of language. If you are going to use language in design, you need to understand that it is language, and not a picture. It does make a difference.

Anyway, I hope everything works out for you. I've got things I need to take care of, so you'll excuse me if I drop out of the discussion.

[Edit: Yannah snuck in a reply there while I was typing...

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I'm just making sure that it is in major japanese language

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Yannah, I'm not sure if you are going to understand this, but what I sent you is Japanese. What Hiroki meant was not that it is written in Chinese, but that the Japanese use Chinese characters as well--as do the Koreans. It doesn't necessarily mean that it is Chinese. Ah, this probably isn't going to make any sense to you. It tried to explain it above, and if that doesn't help, I don't really know what else to say...

To sum up, I would advise you to use what I sent you, because that is what the Japanese would write...]

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-18-2003).]

it does make sense a lot. Thanks I'll go paint the words in my canvas tommorow.

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Japanese use three types of character which is Hiragana, Katakana, and Chinese.

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Actually, the third writing type is known as Kanji.

Yannah, good luck with your project.

Yannahismyhero, shut up and go away.

Hi, guys. How are ya?
I am very surprised a lot of people know Japanese well.
Hey, Suho! Have you studies Japanese? And have you been to Japan?
Which part????

BTW, Yannah! I have sent word document including screen shot of destruction.
Probably you can see it as print screen is on the document as grafic. And I think you have MS word on your machine, don't you.
I wrote three different ways of expressing destruction.
If you need any further help, let me know.

All right. Cya, guys.
Have a good day.



Hiroki Kozai

could you send it as .gif?

Cannot you see it???
All right.
I will do that for you after lunch.
Cya.

Hiroki Kozai

thanks a lot.
wait...after lunch? but that's 6 or 5 hours to go on NZ right?

[This message has been edited by Yannah (edited 06-19-2003).]

Hi, Yannah.
Please see destruction in Japanese..
I uploaded for everybody who might be interested in.
Cya.


Hiroki Kozai

Hi, Yannah.
I have done that. Please check your emial.

Cya.


Hiroki Kozai

[This message has been edited by Hiroki (edited 06-19-2003).]

the link isn't working

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HTTP1.1 STATUS 403 Remote Access to this object forbidden This file cannot be directly accessed from a remote site, but must be linked through the Brinkster Member's site.

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If you click and drag the link your your address bar it will work just fine.

thanks.

bah nothing here

[This message has been edited by asptamer (edited 06-19-2003).]

Hi, guys. As you know, I am having hard time to upload jsut gif file.
I uploaded but I can only see from inside of the brinkter account.
I mean if I posted here as link, I cannot see.
I don't why.
Anyway, I sent it to you, Yannah.
Have you seen that?


Hiroki Kozai

Hi, Dracusis. It worked on your way.
I could see it.
Thanks a lot.


Hiroki Kozai

yeah I seen it. thanks a lot.

Hiroki: Yup, I studied Japanese in university. My original plan was actually to go to Japan, but I got kind of side-tracked and ended up staying here. I did visit Japan for a week in '95--I stayed with friends in Tokyo and Yokohama. A typhoon came in for half of the time I was there, though, so we ended up spending those few days just sitting around and drinking sake. I could think of worse ways to spend my time, though.

I definitely want to go back someday, but I would want to brush up on my Japanese before doing so. It's gotten a bit rusty.

[Edit: Also, I looked at the image you posted, and would I be correct in saying that hakai would not normally be written in katakana?]

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-19-2003).]

Hi, Suho. I would say yes, you are right.
Generally speaking, only when I write some words inported from overseas, Katakana will be used. For example, English word table, we pronounce like English way. So peple use Katakana. Make sense?
Actually how many languages have you learned so far?
I'd love to study Spanish for my next one.
Cya.

Hiroki Kozai

Yup, that's the way I remembered katakana. I always found it interesting that Japanese had a separate writing system for foreign loan words. Why do you think that's so?

How many languages have I studied? Well, outside of English, five: Korean, Japanese, Chinese, French and German. I only speak one of those well (Korean), and three I can read fairly well with the help of a dictionary (Japanese, French and German). Chinese is my weak point, as I have only had minimal practice with the spoken language, but learning the written language is important for my field of study.

I need to brush up on my French and German as well, since I'll probably need to read texts in both of those languages when I write my dissertation. I'd like to start picking up Japanese again, but who knows when I'll have the time?

hi, Suho. Good morning. How are you today?
Well, my understanding is that when people see written Japanese it is easy to recognize and read.
If Japanese don't have Katakana for foreign languages, it will be written using Hiragana, right?
But if so, pretty tough on our eyes to read nicely. That is why, I guess.
I am really impressed about you study a lot of languages. Good on ya.
I will study Spanish sooner or later.
Cya.

Hiroki Kozai

I've found some facts between Japanese and Chinese. My encyclopedia says that Japanese is harder to learn than Chinese. And that what was it again...I couldn't remember.

I know some Spanish because I lived in Philippines and pronouncing spanish is easier than ever. I only know what they mean when I hear them, but I don't know how to use them in full sentences.

[This message has been edited by Yannah (edited 06-20-2003).]

The difficulty of any particular language is extremely subjective. I can't believe that you have an encyclopedia that told you Japanese was harder to learn than Chinese...

For example, Japanese is very easy for Koreans to learn because of the grammatical similarities, whereas Chinese may be easier for English speakers to learn for the same reason. Writing systems are another story (Korean is the easiest to learn in that department, but the spoken language can be very difficult).

Please do not make such broad generalizations. They make me want to stab something repeatedly with synax's knife.