Topic awaiting preservation: LotR - 11/11 in the Oscars!!

How about that, and just when I had given up on the Academy for catering to favorites.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/29/sprj.aa04.oscar.night/index.html

I think New Zealand's government gave some millions dollars to the Academy to win all those awards.

JK, LOTR are the greatest movies since ages. They deserved.

well thanks for ruining it! it just started here an hour ago... now there's no point to watching

Lacuna:

When I was a wee lad growing up in Anchorage, the Football games were often show on tv after they had already been played. And people would still lose money betting on the wrong team.......

This was, of course, before the Pipeline went in.


OK, back on topic now-
Glad to hear that the greatest story ever told is getting it's due.

I was really disappointed that Ken Watanabe didn't win best supporting actor. He was amazing in The Last Samurai.

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thanks for ruining it! it just started here an hour ago

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Did you have any doubt that LOTR-ROTK was not going to win all the oscars to which it had been nominated?

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Only saw the first one, and as if my opinion mattered, it... lacked something.

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You know, I had exactly the same feeling.
I felt it was missing something.
Then I realized it was missing parts II and III.
Ha ha !!

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Homosexuality is boring and awkward.
It would have ruined the movie.

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Never saw the movie.

Damn you sir.

BTW, yay for Lord of the Rings! Now all we need is for something to win 12 Oscars next year and screw up the record.

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I was really disappointed that Ken Watanabe didn't win best supporting actor. He was amazing in The Last Samurai.

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I am very much with krets and InI...they do not deserve all those oscars...I even stoped watching the damn show because it was clear, whenever LOTR is present, it's going to win...just like InI, I found that movie boring..high budged fairy tale...big deal...ohh look at those FX...yeah yeah... I could agree they had good animation team...but I was damned whan I heard that it won "landscape design" or something like that...Last Samurai had most spectacular landscape shots..ohh well let me get to the point, LOTR sucks...period...

overall I hate oscars now... they nominate whats more popular rather that whats better....its like MTV...ahh

Uh, where did I say I didn't think LOTR deserved all those Oscars Ruski? Actually I think that it did personally. There wasn't a LOTR actor nominated in the best supporting category. Tim Robbins won for Mystic River.

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walks in and smacks viol, Ini and AtomicPC

ok.....i'm done here.

Later,

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krets I never implied you did say that...I just mentioned I am pretty much with you(dont forget you made only one post, and I directed towards it) and the rest of stuff I said, was pretty much with InI and some of my random oppinions...

on second though there were not that many movies to compare LOTR with...pretty much all of them sucked...exept last samurai with should have won more awards

2003 was shitty year for movies...IMO..

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As secure as I am in my sexuality, I don't really want a kiss from you Ini
I was going for No.3 on that list.



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hope some more audacious movies like the passion, or low budget masterpieces would get the same recognition as they deserve it

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As far as I'm concerned, it's been a long time in the waiting for fantasy films to get any kind of recognition at the Oscars. I'm more of a "based on a true story" type film-lover myself, but I thought these movies were well worth the ticket price. I haven't seen any other movies this year that even came close to the satisfaction I had leaving the theater with LOTR.

Peter Jackson deserves everything coming to him on this one. He's earned the sh@t out of it.

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i have heard about the 11 oscars early in the morning. well i think LOTR earned some of them, but not all. I think it shouldnt get the oscar for the best director, since LOTR is a book. a director who things about a story on his own is much better in my opinion

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Did you have any doubt that LOTR-ROTK was not going to win all the oscars to which it had been nominated?

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urm....no, not really. for peter jackson to take on the monumental task of putting to film, books with such a huge following and for the vast majority of those people being extreamly happy about what a good job he did.....I believe they were all well deserved.

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Was lotr such a milestone in the history of cinema? Not to me.

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Well, I would have to think not, seeing as you didn't see the movie.....

The awards are done yearly....so the only movie in question is the third one.
I beleive wholeheartedly that it deserved everything it won.

Of course you have to remember that the budget for the movie covered all THREE of them. . .

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a director who things about a story on his own is much better in my opinion

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That would be a writer. Whether or not the movie was a book first, a director still has an existing written story to work with. . .



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Yeah, sure, with 300 million dollars as a budget, even a film about my nuts would have been a masterpiece.

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But just try to get a studio to give you the money to make it. :P

"You see J.C., it's a story about my balls. It'll have some spectacular special effects and star Liv Tyler...."


You are getting sleepy...sleepy. You will go to the North Wing....

Liv Tyler is very beautiful, but she needs a diet.
That's why she wasn't nominated for best supporting actress.
She's fat !!

And The King? That Viggo Mortesen guy (right spelling?) was not a good actor. In some parts of the movie he sucks. I would have nominated for best male actor the chief Uruk-ai. That guy rocks. What a performance!

And, as said before, 300 million bucks was for ALL three movies, and that's not that much, considering that they have produced 9+ hours of very good entertainment. I've heard that the 5th installment of the Harry Potter series will alone use 300 million bucks! That's a real waste of money. Waste 300 million bucks in a teen, stupid, empty movie??

LOTR, imo, is silly, specially those battles where each one of the main characters are able to kill one hundred uruk-ais without even getting a stitch, but hey, that's a fantasy movie. The heroes are not meant to die. Despite being silly, all three movies are great, deserved all the oscars they won (I mean "they" because it seems obvious to me that ROTK won those many oscars because it's part of a series of three movies, where the other two where also great movies - IOW, ROTK won in behalf of the series).

BTW, Oscar for me is not about the best movies, but about the movies that gave back more money to the studios. It's all about money. Money, money, money, money and money. Money rules.

Oh, of course, sex is also important in this industry...

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Liv Tyler is very beautiful, but she needs a diet.
That's why she wasn't nominated for best supporting actress.
She's fat !!

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Stupidest thing I've heard today, and that was after reading the Zigot_Bahn post.

Fat?? What does that have to do with oscar nominations? Or Liv Tyler for that matter. Were you joking or are you really serious?


Amerasu

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...silly, specially those battles where each one of the main characters are able to kill one hundred uruk-ais without even getting a stitch, but hey, that's a fantasy movie. The heroes are not meant to die.

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Well, more important than this being a "fantasy movie", the stories were written essentially for the purpose of creating a mythology for Britain that Tolkien felt was far too lacking. Look at any major mythology - they all focus on the most extraordinary people available, and put them in such situations. It wouldn't work properly any other way.

And I've got go with Amerasu here - if Liv Tyler is what you call fat....I'd hate to hear what you call people who actually are.



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Were you joking or are you really serious?

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What do _you_ think?
Is she fat?

Well, Renée Zellweger was fat.
And I'm ugly.
And I can't diet.

Neither of them looked at all fat to me. I dunno... if you're calling these women fat, then there's little hope for the average woman. I think Liv Tyler looks great. I guess it's a personal opinion, Viol

The question of their fatness aside, what does being overweight have to do with getting nominated anyway? Kathy Bates was nominated and she won. I'd consider her fairly overweight. Judi Dench has been nominated and she looks a bit pudgy. Whoopi Goldberg certainly isn't skinny and she won an Oscar. So I guess I just can't see how weight had anything to do with Liv Tyler not getting a nomination. It probably had more to do with the fact that she said maybe 2 lines in the entire ROTK movie.



Amerasu

Fat has nothing to do with winning an Oscar, of course. I'm just being a little naughty.

About Liv Tyler, she's a gorgeous, beautiful and lovely (so she looks) woman. I first knew her in that movie, filmed in Italy, Stealing Beauty. She is just unforgettable there.

If you compare her in that movie with how she looks today, she is not fat at all, but she has a more mature body, and I would say that this means she is fatter now. Which doesn't mean she's fat, but fatter, or less thin.

This has to do with aging. It's a natural process, expected to happen to almost all women. She still looks like a Disney princess.

[edit] - Oh, and about Renée, I indeed think she's a little overweithed now, but there is an excuse: she had to gain weight for the role she took in the movie.

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HA HA HA !!

This Google thing totally rocks !!!!!!!!!!!!

I typed "Liv Tyler is fat" and look at this: http://imdb.com/PeopleNews/2003/20031114#7

"Buxom screen star Liv Tyler is risking her Hollywood career - by refusing to lose weight. The 26-year-old has been told by movie bosses she risks missing out on top film roles unless she reduces the size of her shapely figure. But Liv - who trimmed to a svelte 57 kilograms for her part as heroine Arwen in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy, before piling 13 kilograms back on after shooting wrapped - insists she is happy with her weight and doesn't want to diet. She says, "I've been told that if I lose weight I'd have more work, but I refuse to submit myself to Hollywood standards. To the rest of the world I am slim and I like the way I am"

HA!

Ain't it funny?
She is smarter than Hollywood wanted her to be.

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Not until you see Return of the King - which is the one that won the Oscars

It is also, by far, the best of the 3 movies.

I'm still partial to Fellowship.

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I'm partial to Gigli.

Yes Ini, small movies would be your specialty.

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I knew LOTR would be the "real" winner of OSCARS.

Well, I don't care what anyone says, it was a great movie and I personally think most of the Oscars were well deserved. I think it also deserved the Oscar for Cinematography, although I have yet to see Master and Commander so don't hold me to that.

Peter Jackson deserved best director simply for devoting 7 years of his life to one project.

It is definately time to give a little credit to the fantasy genre. And yes, no main characters died, that's why it is called fantasy, it deals with the ultimate triumph of good over evil in an idealistic black and white world.

Ramasax

You don't consider Boromir a main character?

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it deals with the ultimate triumph of good over evil in an idealistic black and white world.

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Very little is black and white in LotR. There was a thread a while back that had a pretty decent discussion of this but everytime I try to go to it I just get sent to the seach screen.

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black and white, good and evil, positive and negative, love and hate, sun and moon, orange and blue, so on. It's not the colors that matter, but the concept.

I believe spyx's point is that the concept (colors or no) doesn't apply.

There is a distinct evil in the Lord of the Rings.

But there is little else that is so clear cut, and many unpredicted evils to accompany the obvious one.

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You don't consider Boromir a main character?

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In the grand scheme of things, I never really considered Boromir as a main character or as one of the heros. Sure, he reformed in the end, but his pupose was to be an antagonist within the fellowship, a danger within. He is only in 1/3 of the story, I don't think that makes the cut for main character status, as least not in my book.

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DL-44: and many unpredicted evils to accompany the obvious one.

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I agree there may be some gray areas, but I think when compared to our world it is pretty simple.

Ramasax

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Hmm......childish comments about someone else's immaturity.

Interesting.

Any-hoo - Ram, I have to say that you are right to an extent (again, it follows that mythology context where things have to be somewhat clear cut), but I wouldn't go so far as to say that things are simple, or black and white. To see the movies alone, perhaps it comes off that way, but I think there is just a whole lot more present in the story that blurs a lot of the edges...

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Oh my.

Must we go this route again Ini?

Woa hey guys chill. Geez I thought we were just having some fun. Ini mocked my post I mocked his and he returned with a, imo, witty reply. Game over.

Seriously, y'all are too serious.

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Was simply pointing out the paradox of insulting someone's maturity with immature banter.

Didn't say the slightest judgemental or "serious" thing =)

But.....

Whatever.

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y'all are too serious

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I see only one guy being too (insanely) serious here.

InI, we - you and me - had some misinterpretations here not long ago, I really really don't want to start this again with you, I have nothing against you (neither pro...), but your reaction was unnecessarily harsh.

Read carefully the posts. Nobody attacked you. There were no reason to "f*ck you" someone. If you are not a child, then you should not get enraged just because someone alleged rated your message as "childish". Let it go, man.

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Well, I'm one of the few that had never read any of the books but watched the movies. I thought the movies were a little slow at points (mainly the first 2) and often filled with needless epic cinematography (I've seen mountains before, don't need to stare at em again, and again, and again...). I also felt that using the dwarf as the comic ocasionally broke the moode for me, I'm assuming that wasn't part of the book. Yet in spite of those nigling issues, I still thought it defiantly deserved the awards, for the last movie along or all three of them as a whole.

It's a gloriously epic tale that would be pretty much every director?s nightmare to try and realise to the extent that Peter Jackson did. From the sets down to the casting of so many varied characters and the wonderfully understated special effects, I reckon they earned every single one of those Oscars.

Althought, like all things, not everying will like it...

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I also felt that using the dwarf as the comic ocasionally broke the moode for me, I'm assuming that wasn't part of the book.

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That was my biggest problem with the movies.

There were some tongue-in-cheek moments between Legolas and Gimli, but the movie portrayed Gimli as pretty much a joke....and that was far from how it was supposed to be.

And uh.....Legolas never surfed down the stairs on a shield either

That's why the Two Towers was my least favorite of the films (well, that plus the things that had to be cut from the theater release....things which explained most of the damn story...)

I'm a huge fan of the movies and am very glad ROTK won all those oscars. Totally deserved in my opinion. That said though, I too hated the Legolas shield slide and using Gimli as a joke (even though I was amused at the theatre). And I much preferred the movies over the book. I know this statement won't be popular here but I didn't really like the novel. I thought it was stilted and numbing *runs away* I tried to read it again before ROTK came out but couldn't get past the first 20 pages. Liked the story, disliked the writing of it, loved the movies


Amerasu