Preserved Topic: What's involed in creating a web based application? (Page 1 of 1)

I program in VB, ok that's not a great accomplishment but say I wanted to write a web-based app. what would I need to learn?
Sorry if this is in the wrong place. I would love to move a application I have to the web. Also having the web program send/recv
information from a database somewhere.

I'm just bored...

~buddy

That would depend on what the app does - whether it needs to run server side or client side, or both.

There are a wide variety of ways to go about it - DHTML, Flash, PHP, Perl, etc. depending on the type and scope of the project.

If you wrote the app in VB then I beleive you can make it an ActiveX control and load it that way. Or, you could do it in ASP. It's almost the same syntax from ASP to VB. And I say "almost".

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I've ported a VB+Access standalone application to the web using PHP/MySQL.
It did take a complete rewrite but it was pretty straightforward.
My only problem was not having access to the source so parts of it became re-engineering, if you have the source it's just a matter of translating it to a "web-language" of choice.

In this specific case the language change was part of the requirements, however, if the application is "properly" designed with proper API's that you can access there is always the possibillity to install the actual application on the server and build a webinterface that uses the applications APIs.

If it's a VB application and you have the .dll's that you need with all the API's, then the easiest way is probably to build it with ASP pages (VBScript) that mimics the applications userinterface. You could use other languages as well that allows you to interact with COM-objects (.dll), PHP for example. This route (ASP) will however lock you into a windows server with IIS.

If the application consists of one .exe that does all the work you are probably better of to rewrite it totally.

No matter what way you choose you will need to learn HTML, CSS and JavaScript properly in order to create a good webinterface, the ASP/PHP/JSP/Java is what handles the logic and db-interaction.

Do a thrurough check on what options the current application gives you in form of reusability, then from that decide if you want to reuse parts of it or rewrite it.
/Dan

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InI, I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out different options.

And no, I wasn't thinking of an ActiveX solution, not alt all.
I was thinking of an application that consists of an .exe with the interface and .dll's for logic and db-access. In that case you could register the .dll's on the server and replace the .exe with .asp pages that communicates with the .dll's resulting in a normal asp-application with COM objects for business logic.

And no, I don't advocate an M$/IIS based server as first choice, I know the drawbacks fairly well. However, it's an option since he already knows VB and if rapid development of a web version is an issue it is an option to choose from.

As for ported, probably a poor choice of words, I actually re-created it in PHP/MySQL, that's more correct.
/Dan

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It's funny that you guys all agreed of php, I just bought a php book. And since I have a beefy server I thought
why not put it to some use. So last night I installed Apache 4.3, MySQL, PHP Parser. So far php is really cool...
I think that it is really gonna come in handy in the future. Thanks for all the posts. If you are wondering why I
asked... I made a program called Anatheum in VB, I was just wondering if I should take it to the web. Also Anatheum
is about to take off..... wish it luck )

~buddy~ (pool player 'buddy lee' can't bust him)

ok.........can we not get into a "best language for the job" battle?

buddylee: I think that you will find PHP a cool language. There's a ton of things you can do with PHP. It's an awesome language.

gonna go check out your program.....



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piss off. there is a thing called a google search engine.

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gonna go check out your program.....

lmao... just felt the need to point out there is no link to his program.
* slaps Cprompt with a huge trout *

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What happened to that break you were going to take while you 'vented some stress'?

When you feel the need to baselessly insult people like a schoolboy with a newly learned curse-word, it's a good sign that you should continue that offline 'venting'.

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He told you to piss off after you were an ass to him.

I'm not getting into this kind of infantile bullshit with you again Ini - get the chip off your shoulder...

you know.......i have purposely avoided your threads for the simple fact that you have this "better than thou" attitude.
I did not insult you, I did not "yell" at you, I am not defending a worthless point, I am not getting involved in something that is not any of my business. Not even sure how you can say it's none of my business....that's a strange thing to say.

And to say that I followed that up with insults, that's a little bold. Need I remind you how called who a "moron", "idiot" and other terms.... Who the hell do you think you are?

So...I will walk away from this now. If you want you can email me.

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Ok. If that makes you feel better about yourself - more power to ya.

bye-bye.

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ok. and what would 'ex-husband' and ex-alcoholic' have to do with anything?

And uh.....I guess I missed the part where I 'went too far'. I guess by allowing you to spout your petty bullshit, that was going too far?

Ah well.

So be it.

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=)

All I can say is - anyone with such a strong need to repeatedly build themsleves up, and put others down, especially in an online discussion forum, has for more to prove and a far bigger chip than I can possibly address.

good luck with that.

=)


apologies for mucking up what could have been a useful thread, buddylee.

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IMO, ASP/IIS is not that bad, depending on the complexity and requirements of the project you are working on.

For a long time, I either used C++/VC++ for app programming, and PHP for net stuff (learned Java last year, didnt like it at the start, but it grew on me quickly and rather fond of it now).

However, for my current job, I was forced to use ASP for writing web-apps, and while at the start it bugged me that my boss's wouldnt let me use PHP, after a month or so I started to enjoy working with ASP.

True, the source code looks ugly, and there are a few things which PHP is better at doing. However, its easy to bang out some applications really fast with ASP, in which it would of taken me longer to do with PHP or Java.

Also, if your expierced with VB, I dont see what the harm would be in using ASP/VBScript for your first steps into web-app programming.

Thanks for about 60% of the posts on this topic... the other 40% was a waste of time to read...

I will probally use both PHP and ASP to write web apps. As for my application... http://www.phyquest.com

See ya,

~buddy~ (pool player 'buddy lee' can't bust him)

Have you considered .Net? Since you are used to VB, the transition to VB.Net should be fairly painless. And there are a few C style nuances to the environment, so when it's time to do some real coding you won't be too rusty. Still, having to end if statements makes me grind my teeth....

// time to leave the main topic and address INI

INI:

I'm going to start out with a quote from someone who seems to be a very intelligent person-

"....cut the bullshit, be a man,"

I have always been under the impression that a big part of being a man is being able to ignore and rise above the petty things in order to remain focused on what is important. I won't try to tell you what IS important, I'm sure you figured that out long ago.

It's obvious that you have gone far in life without my advice, but I would like to suggest that developing a little thicker skin will take you even further.

I have a great deal of respect for your coding ablities and usually enjoy the humor/intellect displayed in your posts. But lately many of those posts have turned into rants... and that has me wondering. Are you ok? Is there anything that you need to talk out with someone? If so, just drop me an email. I'm a fairly good listener and I even know when to shut up.

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InI, I would love to be proficient in c++ but... when I got to string handling (being raised by VB), I thought WTF is the sh*t...
Arrays for simple strings? I understand that is saves on memory/speed but I was very discoraged.
I think one of the problems is that all I know is self-taught. So I know some things that are complex
in a lanuage but I sometimes cannot figure the simple things... I have been waiting for school to learn to fill the knowledge gaps.
I wish there was a less painful way to learn c++

~buddy~ (pool player 'buddy lee' can't bust him)