Topic awaiting preservation: Peanut Gallery for "Does God Exist?" (Page 1 of 3)

This thread accompanies the Formal Debate thread concerning the subject Does God Exist? Since only the debate participants are to post in the Formal Debate thread, this Peanut Gallery thread is established to allow everyone to comment on the ongoing debate.

I also ask that as the debate moves along that you think of questions to present to the participants. I will be selecting two questions from this thread to ask the debaters. So put your thinking caps on and come up with some good ones!


Cell Number: 494

*sticks head in the Philosophy forum* Coo Mah! I am gonna be watchin dis one! Cheerio!

*cracks open a case of pears*

Izzay

*runs in and grabs a seat in the front row.*

Woohoo! Let the fun begin!

Now if I can just figure out where I left that thinking cap...

Ha...I need one of those, this is gettin pretty hard!

*runs in and stretches across five seats, resting his feet in Suho's lap. Grab's one of izzy's pears*

Ok people, now we want a nice, clean fight.

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

*begins coloring Skaarjj's shoes with his blue crayons*

Hey, cfb! Get back in there and get to work! We're all waiting on you!

(Just kidding, take your time and make it good. I'm looking forward to this.)

~tosses bag of peanuts into the crowd~

I have no idea why it is called a peanut gallery, but what the hell, eh?!

Well now, isn't that neat ... I finally slipped past 500 posts!

Cell Number: 494

*munches on some of BeeKay's peanuts, takes seat*

Mmm.... peanut...

njuice42 Cell # 551
icq 957255

**tiki props his feet up behind Skaarjj. Flags down the beer man**

What do you wear to a debate? Jearseys? t-shirt? Should I paint my face?




-tiki, cell 478

Face paint is not required... but you can help me crayon Skaarjj's shoes if you want.

[Edit: Oh, and as for the origin of the term "peanut gallery," check out the answer from The Straight Dope. In fact, that has given me some ideas...]



[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-17-2002).]

ok i was searching for the peanut gallery thing and i came across this little gem so while we are here eating peanuts and waiting grab a jar of peanut butter and plan your own diversion
http://www.members.kconline.com/kerr/pb.htm


hands out jars of peanut butter to spectators


[This message has been edited by tomeaglescz (edited 06-17-2002).]

*considers knocking InSiDeR unconcious...and posting in his place...* Nahhh...

Well, it's started....Yeeehaaawww!!!

At least I don't have to post after Bugs...*whew!* Now that is pressure...

Let's get it on!!!

* grabs a seat and munches some peanuts *

Smears peanut butter all of the face. You mean that face painting isn't required? Why did we then get all of this peanut butter? ohh... I see we are supposed to eat it, yummy! *starts to peal of the peanut butter from face*


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peanuts r us hehehe on with the show

tom: nice...

This is what the peanut gallery looks like now, and the debate hasn't even started yet! I can't wait for things to get going...

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Ha...I need one of those, this is gettin pretty hard!

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uh....nobody has actually debated anything yet...how can it be getting hard already?

Hehe, yeah, actually I was thinking the same thing when I read that post.

**tiki bonks webshaman on the head with the flat of his(tiki's) flint and feather spear**

Whadda you doin up here in the stands...get back in the duggout son...git yer head in the game.

**opens his book**

Anybody wanna place a bet?

-tiki, cell 478

I'll wager 450 kwatoos on the newcomer

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

DL-44...

Actually, I mean that researching has been pretty hard, I checked out severeal books from the library about scientific evidence that god exists and am compiling a debate post about it. I have about two pages of solid, hard, provable facts! It was hard in the begginning researching but it's pretty easy now!

Just wait...It'll be posted anytime now!

You hear that WebShaman? He's got tons of evidence all lined up and ready to go! Can you handle that?!

Cell Number: 494

OK, cfb, I'm looking forward to seeing what you've got! Now get in that ring and knock 'em out!

sorry to be a pendantic bastard, but:
shouldn't a debate topic be a statement, not a question?
ie: "That God does not exist"
...just asking...

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reitsma

I think that "Does God Exist" is a debate question stating that we will debate whether or not god exists...and I don't know why anywhy anyone should phrase it diffrently...

I think you are probably right reitsma.

CFB- He's saying that in alot of formal debates a statement is given to the two teams. One side debates that the statement is true while the other attempts to prove it false.

Either way, question or statment, I think the sides are clear.

sooo.....

450 kwatoos on Bugs and CFB ...from the man with the elegant blue crayoned feet. Book takes 10%.

*tiki grabs a crayon from Suho, scribbles in his book, wondering what he is going to do with 45 kwatoos(or what a kwatoo is)*

Anybody want the WS/Insider squad?

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Expect a post for my side in a couple of hours

Finally, WebShaman, have a good time disproving it

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It's gunna be posted any minute, just gotta run spell check!

Hi, local post inspector here. In regards to counterfeitbacon's second reply in this thread:

Who are you, and what have you done with CFB?

If you are talking about me being an immature teenager with nothing better to do with my time than play games and do stuff like that, then you have a misconception of me that is pretty much my fault. You see, I came off as being immature as an accident. Msot of my teachers think that I am one of the only kids in my classes that isn't immature. I think that that is what you were reffering to...anyways...Hows the post, and whos post inspector? I'm probably not supposed to know who you are, but I can guess

In case anybody was wondering, that post was trimmed down from seven pages...I had TONS that I wanted to say, and it would of taken at least twenty. But I realized that I wanted to post it within three days and have it be under 4 pages. It's 4.5 btw in word.

counterfeitbacon - I just read your thing on why God exists. I think it is excellent. Thank You. Also, I was wondering how the Big Bang proves that God exists? Just because there is proof that there was a singularity, does not prove that God started the explosion. I mean, eventually our Sun will explode? Eventually every sun explodes? Eventually everything explodes.

Of course I don't really believe there is not a God the Creator, just thought I would bring this up.



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Good question! CFB, if you could hold off on supplying a detailed answer to that, I might use it in the formal debate. Of course, you could answer it here if ya like, it's not like I'm telling you to not repond or anything. It's just that questions like these might be good for including in the formal debate ...

Cell Number: 494

You know, its very very hard to prove a negative.. to prove that something never happened, or doesn't exist, in fact, its almost impossible. I mean, prove I haven't drawn a picture in the last 7 days. Not likely that you can.

I would just like to point out, that although there may be many things to sway your beliefs, thre is no such thing (that I have yet seen) that can be called "hard fact" to "prove" the existence of any sort of god(s). Or, of course, the lack thereof.

CFB, I noticed that you relied heavily on the Bible, but the Bible can never prove God's existance. Other corroborating evidence would need to be provided.

The Bible is the Word of God so everything in it is true.
The Bible says that God exists.
Since we have determined that the Bible is infallible and it says that God exists he must.

This is considered circular logic. One thing cannot prove another if the other is the only prerequisite of the first.

Thanks all!

I am going to repond to Gilbert, since I meant to state the Big Bang Theory more openly in my post, but never got around to it!

The Big Bang Theory in no way proves that God created the universe, but it does help. The odd thing is that the Big Bang Theory has been used an uncountable number of times to discredit the Bible, but every time I have seen that happen the scientist seems to bring up facts that parrallell (sp?) the Bible. In the Bible it says that the Heavens and the Earths were created in an instant, and in science, it has been proven that the Universe is constantly expanding from a central point. What many Biblical Scholoars beleive, and this is off the top of my head, is that when God created the universe, it came from a central point, with a large explosion. It would of come from a central point because of the way that mathamaticians beleive that Heaven and Hell co-exist with earth. They think that their is six extra dimensions allocated dto HEavean and Hell (length, width and height, no time, since they are eternal) and that when other dimension co-exist, they are kind of their, yet they aren't, and that they would look like a 3d point that takes up no space. It's kinda weird, and I read it in a paper when I was researching called "The 10 Dimensional Universe" published by someone at Yale Colledge. So if God created the universe from his three dimensions, it would of come from a central point and expanded. All of this is simply theories, but their is plenty of math to back it up if you would like to see it, but it might take me a while to find it. Maybe Slime knows it? Do you Slime?

PS: BeeKay, I can still use this in the debate, right? I mean, I could provide pages devoted to this! I just wanted to respond.


PS: St. Seneca, the Bible can't prove the existence of God, it can only provide passages that can be explored by Science to prove that their is a God. In fact, it is impossible to actually have hard evidence that says: "God Exists" What me and Bugs need to do is to provide overwhelming evidence and evidence that is not disputable and/or so hard that disputing it is silly. That is why I relyed heavily on quotes by people, because something personal can't be disputed.

DL-44: I'm sure that you can't find any evidence or personal opinions that say that their is not God. Most of the evidence against God in previous discussions has been personall statements, not scientific evidence. What I have provided is solid, scientific evidence, not exactly proving that their is a God, but pointing towards it. If WebShaman can find ANY evidence that their is no God, beyond personal beleifs and/or personal statements, then I'll transfer $10 to your PayPal account, if you have one, actually I won't, but you get the idea

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[This message has been edited by counterfeitbacon (edited 06-19-2002).]

Darn...Now I'm worried, WebShaman said that he's:

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torn my evidence to shreds

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Not good

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[This message has been edited by counterfeitbacon (edited 06-19-2002).]

Yup...read it and weep, my boy, and that $10....cough it up...

You need to get into some really heavy physics if you are going to be using the Big Bang theory as 'proof'...and then you see that there is none...Ouch! In fact, the deeper one goes, the more one sees that indeed, the Big Bang theory 'disproves' Gods existence...which is why I am surprised that you used it as 'proof'...I thought you would try to discredit the Big Bang theory...which would have been more effective...oh well...

As for the Bible...hehe...anyone trying to use the Bible as 'proof' ends up biting their teeth out...it's just full of mistakes and contradictions...which are well documented....

Now I'm waiting for Bugs to teach me a thing or two...*shudders*

Good luck, InSiDeR...Bugs is real hard when it comes to this subject...be careful he doesn't end up 'converting' you...

I learned a lot so far...and was pretty surprised by my research...I thought there was more evidence of spiritual energy...turns out there isn't...gotta re-think a few things...

Damn WS Nice!!!!!!!!!!!

The only thing not really touched so far is the question of faith ... is it a misguided hope that there must be something better? or is it something that people turn to when they need some kind of comforter, life after death hasnt been proved, god hasnt been proved, its all a question of faith, do ya believe in it or not..both sides could argue this forever...hell its been argued for centuries already but so far both sides in this debate have shown sensible arguments, depending on which side of the fence you sit will decide which you find has most flaws, thanks for the great arguments both sides guys..but still sat on the fence at the moment as far as this debate goe's nobody has yet 100% dissuaded or persuaded me in the existence or non existence of something called god....

Well, then get those books out from Stephen Hawkings...and start reading...and you will start to see that the universe (at least ours) according to Mr. Hawkins relies on 'chance' creating it...and not a supreme being...which directly contradicts Genesis (the Bible). Since Genesis is one of the most important parts of the Bible (IMHO), proving it wrong is the cornerstone to the debate, really. And observational evidence at this time supports Mr. Hawkins theory...and yes, that is proof...that one can see...thank you, Hubble telescope!!!!

'....And God vanished in a puff of logic.' - Douglas Adams, the hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy...you know it!!!

Really looking forward to Bug's reply...BTW, has anyone even heard from Bugs lately? Hope everything is in the green by him...