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BeeKay
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: North Carolina mountains
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 07-16-2002 19:55

All righty then ... it's high time to get a new thread going here. Would an admin be so kind as to lock up the previous one ... thanks.

Bugimus, How is your answer coming for the formal debate? I know earlier you had said you were pretty busy. Could you just give us an estimate as to when you will be posting it. No pressure or nothin' ... just curious.

Fig, the formal debate is a little farther down the thread list and is called "Formal Debate for "Does God Exist?" " Can't miss it!

Man o man ... look at all these peanut shells! Anyone got a broom?

Cell Number: 494

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-16-2002 20:00

Well, yes it is serious... I may not be able to post in the Philo forum again.

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 07-16-2002 20:16

InSiDeR, we're here for you so just let us know if we can help.

BeeKay, I have been very busy and I feel bummed about holding things up here. I have been working on my reply though. I should have my reply up by Thursday night, hopefully sooner. I really appreciate everyone's patience on this but sometimes things come up and that's just the way it is.

. . : slicePuzzle

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-16-2002 20:30

Ok, I guess I can reveal some of this personal problem...

My mom thinks this forum is satanic because of its "disbelief of god" ambience that is going around in the debate. So she called my dad here in florida to tell him that while on my computer she found this site... My dad told me that she was putting in some kind of program that somehow tracks down the sites I go to or blocks them I don't know... My mom doesn't know I know about the program she is installing, so I need to know how to get it out when I go back home to my precious computer in Kentucky on August 5'th.


_____________________
I'd sell, my soul, my self
esteem, a dollar at a time.

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 07-16-2002 20:44

Perhaps it would be better to show your mom that this isn't a "satanic" place. There are several Xians in this forum so it's hardly a satanic place. This is just a place where ideas and speech are allowed to flow freely.

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-16-2002 22:52

It wouldn't matter, she is installing it anyway.

Skaarjj
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: :morF
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 07-17-2002 03:49

insider...I'll send you an email tonight with something that might owrk. Although i wouldn't normally ocndone something like this, I really hate it when someone tries to force their beliefs onto somebody else, or stop them seeing something when their own beliefs cloud their judgment.

No more will be said by me here.

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 07-17-2002 18:24

I think what bugimus means is that you should show her the other aspects of the forum , so that even if she does install the software, perhaps she'll see this as one of the sites that's ok. With a child your age, I'd be running such software if I were her as well.

On a related topic, I'd just like to remind everyone that tonight is the big ceremony, so remember to bring your robes, goblets of blood, sacrificial daggers, and an unwitting victim with you



InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-17-2002 21:40

lol...

thanks skaarjj

bodhi23
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Greensboro, NC USA
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 07-17-2002 21:44

DL, with parents looking for signs of satanic activity, you might not should have said that!

InSiDer, I certainly hope that you continue your quest for knowledge regardless of the restrictions your parents might place on you. Just make sure you are always aware of the consequences of your actions... An open and educated mind is a good thing...

Aside: I am SOOO glad to know I'm not the only one bogged down with the outside world! I was feeling bad about it there for a bit...

Wakkos
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Azylum's Secret Lab
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 07-18-2002 11:06

Weeeeeeeeee
ceremony tonight!

I'll be glad bringing a lot of pills for everyone!

(Incluiding Insider's mom)

do you have knives?

And please, this time DO NOT sacrifice my white rabbit!

tikigod
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: outside Augusta National
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 07-18-2002 22:46

Ceremony!?!?

I got my goat leggings right here! When do we start...

**tiki sniffs twice, eyes Wakkos' white rabbit**

mmm...nice juicy little rabbit...

**licks lips**

[This message has been edited by tikigod (edited 07-18-2002).]

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-18-2002 23:53

shut the fuck up now

Inition
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Illinois Valley
Insane since: Jan 2002

posted posted 07-19-2002 00:02

cool I can bring my big dumb brother! I don't have a robe or dagger though, will a buck knife work?

Skaarjj
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: :morF
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 07-19-2002 04:38

ummm...although all of this is funny and all, consider that we may be contributing to insider's mum's bad opinion of this place. I think we should stop tlaking about the satanic rituals now.

Insider...although I share the feeling, the words may not have been the best choice.

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 07-19-2002 09:03

...it's coming... it's coming... IT'S THERE!!! Again, thanks for the patience and it feels good to no longer be holding this puppy up

. . : slicePuzzle

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 07-19-2002 11:02

Deep respect to my 'sparring' partner Bugs...nice essay...

So I guess I am up next, right? If so, I'm getting to work on it...

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 07-19-2002 11:15

Thanks, WS. Yes, I do believe it is your turn. I'm looking forward to it

. . : slicePuzzle

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 07-19-2002 18:18

"Shut the fuck up now"

Oh, well, since you asked nicely



InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-22-2002 00:31

rofl dl, I read that and cracked up...

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-22-2002 22:36

Bugs, what exactly does that chart represent....

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 07-22-2002 22:45

Start at the top and work your way down. It breaks down just about all the major positions you can take on the question of whether God exists. It goes from decision/indecision all the way down to what kinds of theism you have to choose from.

I wanted to include it 1. because a visual aid is cool and 2. because I was trying to show that limiting my focus of God to the Big 3 (Judaism,Xianity,Islam) was a good move.

. . : slicePuzzle

[This message has been edited by Bugimus (edited 07-22-2002).]

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-23-2002 01:37

Oh, I read it from bottom up and was thinking something totally different, and I was very confused.



_____________________
I'd sell, my soul, my self
esteem, a dollar at a time.

[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 07-23-2002).]

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 07-27-2002 21:07

So..... how we doin'? El bumpo.

BeeKay
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: North Carolina mountains
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 07-27-2002 23:14

I was wondering the same thing. It is WS's turn. However, I haven't noticed him around very much at all lately. Has he posted any notice on the boards about leaving for any reason? Hope all is all right with him ...

Cell Number: 494

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 07-28-2002 01:04

Yeah, I hope all is well too. I have not heard anything from him since the 19th. He's probably just busy with the real world as is known to happen from time to time.

Wakkos
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Azylum's Secret Lab
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 07-29-2002 12:32

Real World?

And you are so quiet there just watching him go to the real world?
What kind of friends are you?

OMG, WS is in the Real World!

we need to organize a delta platoon to bring him back!

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 07-29-2002 12:59

heh, wakky needs more meds...

Yeah, I was 'immersed' in the real world for a bit...sorry everyone, but I'm back, again (thank god...small pun!).

My 'reply' is almost ready...

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-30-2002 02:17

I love you wakkos , don't take that the wrong way .

counterfeitbacon
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Vancouver, WA
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 07-30-2002 05:54

Well, I finished my bicycle trip, but since we left 5 days late we (me and my dad) only made it down to San Jose. Luckily he has a friend their so were stayin there for a while. Anyways...VERY nice responce Bugs, and I look forward to seeing the question posted for WebShaman and I also have a question that could be used against InSiDeR or WebShaman:

"Scientists usually refer to facts or theories that are suffisiently backed up/have been tested and retested in controlled and uncontrolled enviorments. But evolution seems to me to depart from that pattern of relying on fact. Evolution cannot be tested, from the creation of a bacterium via energy striking some gooey stuff to a guy (or gal) sitting at their computer typing into a forum about computer graphics. So why would a scientist want to rely on a theory that cannot be proven? Instead, why not rely on one that has more historical, and factual truth to it?"

Ok, that aside, after riding for about 800 miles, I'm really tired!

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 07-30-2002 07:32

Great to have you back CFB! And I'm eagerly awaiting the next installment from WS.

I'll be attending the San Diego ComicCon from July 31-August 4 so I won't be posting much then. I'll try to drop in with an Internet cafe connection but I just might be having too much fun so I'll see ya'll when I see ya!

. . : slicePuzzle

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-30-2002 19:25

good question cfb, but since you will be answering it after me i don't know if debaters can have their q's used

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 07-31-2002 00:23

Bugs: I enjoy the fact that agnosticism is place in the area of indecision and that atheism is is listed as disbelief. The root of agnoticism is recongising that both theism and atheism are potentially unprovable belief systems and that there is no real way to prove that a God does not exist - the onus should be on theists to prove that a God exists.

InSiDeR: It is sad that your mother feels this way as there are plenty of good Christians here quite happy to defend their corner with vigour (and they stop us Godless heathens from running around in our goatskin leggings handing out hallucinogenic love drugs - sorry I couldn't help it). Perhaps someone would be happy to answer any questions your mother has.

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-31-2002 02:22

Oh its all been taken care of, after a very long conversation over my beliefs and my privacy, shes leaving the damn prog in but I will find a way to remove it if it bothers me, hopefully it won't block this site, if it does then we have an immensly large problem.

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 08-01-2002 15:47

Ok, after an unbelievably tortuous research phase, combined with much filtering and refining, I have finally posted my reply. Whew! Bugs has really been a fine sparring partner, I must say. I hope that I have proved to be at least a satisfactory opponent, considering the quality of Bugs' replies...well, I've done my best...

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 08-01-2002 19:05

Very nice WS, I go back to KY tommorow.

BeeKay
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: North Carolina mountains
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 08-02-2002 22:52

Great stuff WS. Thanks for all of your effort.

Now I need to drum up another question ... hmmmmmmm ... the end is near -- so to speak.

Cell Number: 494

counterfeitbacon
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Vancouver, WA
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 08-05-2002 19:43

InSiDeR: Do you have acess to a public library? Can you Ctr+Alt+Del? Can You make an Admin account? Their are lots of ways to get around those kinds of programs, and many of them are simple....But...I really think that you should just show your mom that this isn't a bad place with bad people. It's really just a good place with SOME bad people.

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 08-05-2002 20:56

CFB do you not read? Damn.

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 08-09-2002 02:40

I pass my spot as con side of this debate to anyone who claims dibs first.

I have a social problem.

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