Topic awaiting preservation: Peanut Gallery for "Does God Exist?" IV (Page 2 of 3)

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I have a social problem.

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Must... resist... the urge... to... comment...

Just kidding, man. Sorry to hear about your problem. That kind of puts a dent in the debate...

No, I don't think it does, Master Suho. Maybe we should end it where it now is. I think we've pretty much covered the topic. Maybe BeeKay should make a ruling on this...BeeKay? What do you say?

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I have a social problem

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Well, it took long enough...hopefully, he'll now take steps to 'improving' in that direction...

True... only one question left. There probably would be enough for Beekay to go on.... And things have kind of slowed down to a crawl anyway.

I posted the final question and some instructions in the formal debate thread. Please head over there and take a gander. This production is almost a wrap.

Cell Number: 494

Well, I must say, that's a billiant question, BeeKay! And what a way to finish this Debate! I can say, that despite the somtimes seemingly-impossible standards set by Bugs, I sure did have a lot of fun (and a lot of work...thanks, Bugs ). Thanks to all for getting this thing off the ground...kudos to all.

Can't wait to read CFB's reply....*rubs hands together*

I think this has turned out exceedingly well, all things considered. I feel more privileged than ever to be an Asylumite. I really hope we can continue this with some other topics... I am really looking forward to just sitting in the gallery throwing peanut shells for the next one. Being a participant is hard work!

That is a very good question, BeeKay. It is a question that will not require a whole lot of references since it is quite personal. Perhaps after CFB replies we may be able to convince InSiDeR to hop back in for it.

So, WS, how do you feel about tackling that question? Or do you think we should wrap it up after CFB?

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Oh, I couldn't pass up answering that question if I tried, Bugs! Just interested in CFBs (and your) reply!

Yup, I'll do my best to answer the question...as I'm sure you will....

It's been a great debate. I, too, will enjoy the next one...from the sidelines....it is, as Bugs said, really hard work...but enjoyable.

@ BeeKay....you have done a great job. Kudos.

Well...Expect a reply in a couple of days!

Still with us, CFB? I would love to get this one back on track and wrapped up so we can tackle another. No pressure, just a little bump

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bump

yup, I was wondering the same thing ...

Cell Number: 494

Bump, just felt like bumping it

things that go **** in the night

bumpedy dumpedy... are those words? oh... i see...

Sorry, my internet was down for the longest time, im on track though...now that i have the question. Expect a reply in a few days.


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Now, I've heard some pretty....stuff in my time, but this takes the cake

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That is a really hard question for me to answer. You see, my whole life I have been brought up beleiving in God. And, I truly do beleive that their is a God, and not just for the reason that my parents do. Books such as Josh McDowells "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" and "More Evidence that Demands a Verdict" have further reinforced my beleifs. Truly though, I think that the reason that I beleive in God is because I just know that he exists.

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Oh man, that's killing me...God exists because I know he exists. Circular humbug. To be blunt - you believe because you have been brainwashed from birth...had you been raised in a different environment, that would probably be different. Had you never come into contact with the idea of a 'God', then you would most probably not believe in one. Unfortunately for you, your choices were reduced from your conception on...but ok, this is your 'opinion'....

Can't wait for the 'second' half...

Couldn't God exist because we made him exist? You get enough people saying the same thing and suddenly you've got people believing in it that weren't part of starting it. They don't understand that someone started it to see what would happen and won't know when the joke is up. Since this started so long ago I think it's safe to assume we will never know if the Disciples were just playing a joke that got out of hand or if it was real. Who knows. Maybe it WAS real to them. Doesn't mean it was true.


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"Be careful not to anger the Great Dragon for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup" T-Shirt Somewhere

GrythusDraconis, take all those hypotheticals you just outlined and walk them through what we do know to have happened. I think you may find that some of them become much less likely than at first glance. I will grant you that it is within the realm of possibility it is all a joke but you have to ask yourself how that compares to alternative possibilities.

Point Taken, to an extent. At least you accepted the possibility.

It just seems to me that this is being looked at from an entirely different perspective than trying to prove/figure out any other legend. That IS what it boils down to after all. Just because you can prove that parts of it exist doesn't mean it all does or that it wasn't exaggerated in some(or many) ways. Merlin may have been a great orator and an excellent advisor to the throne but I'm not going to go for him being a great wizard. The stories built around people and events of the times are just that, stories. More often than not they are exaggerated and/or incorrect because of translation. Jesus may well have been a real person who did wonderful things. Someone truly worthy of emulating. Does that make him the son of God? Dunno. It might make him like what people thought the son of God would be like. That happens to be my personal belief. So yeah, you'll find some things that can be proven to exist that are mentioned in the Bible but that doesn't make all of it true. Nor does it discount your beliefs because you can't prove it all to be true. Some if it just can't be proven because it flat out didn't happen. Someone exaggerated what really happened or added a story that they thought would help people treat each other better.


GrythusDraconis
"Be careful not to anger the Great Dragon for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup" T-Shirt Somewhere

That's all quite reasonable what you say. Now the only thing left would be to take an actual look at the data and see for yourself. If you ever do and have any questions, I would be more than happy to share what I know about it. And I do try my best to be fair and objective and I don't consider any honest search for truth to be in vain.

Actually, I am going to respond to this, and with a striking power.

btw CFB I too thought the "I know there is a god," was a croc of shit. WS layed in on thicker than I will but time and time again have my friends said that to me. No you don't, you were just brought up that way and so thinking you have listened to everything you hear. And since your parents should know right and wrong, you trust their judgement.

Ok, the second part will be better, but tha question is really hard. And not in a research sense. I've read a lot of books with facts that an stand up to the highest scrutiny, you people should seriously look into it. And no, I haven't been brainwashed since birth...

CFB: Take away god, christianity, and all religions that set a way to live, and you'll still have those certain things that are right and wrong, because it's all in human nature. Well, atleast civilized human nature, we all know that it isn't in Bin Ladens' human nature to "not kill," one another. But then again Bin Laden was driven to that by religion now wasn't he? Right... Sadly obvious but true.


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Ok...now that CFB is done...I'll be posting my reply...

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Awaiting Bugs reply, with abated breath...

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Good post, mr. Shaman.

I'd still like to hear in detail how this concrete proof could be delivered to you.

It would have to take place on a higher plane of thought no doubt, and might well be garbled on its way back to this reality's thought pattern.
Perhaps you would retell this garbled memory of a tale to someone else, then that person may write it in a book, or maybe you would write about it.
Ah, then the history into the makings of organized religion would begin once again.

I do applaud you for your post as a whole though. It is very astute.

All righty then. Good job to all! Bugs, if you want to post something in reply to the question, let us know here. Almost time to finally wrap this thing up.

Cell Number: 494

I'm really sorry about that responce. My life has been a hell of a hectic time for me right now, along with reformating the wrong drive, iv'e got track starting and my first year of high school*

So, just wanted to say that I couldn't put the time into that responce that I wanted to...

...anyways, at least my starter was good


*Hazing starts tomorrow

Well you really didn't have to go into as much detail as we did with the opening arguements. Beekay is it alright if I go before bugs? I am pretty much ready for this.

Good grief ... I thought you had dropped out ...

Well, if you are willing and able, then go for it. Let's hear what you have to say.

~grumbles something evil about young whipper snappers these days~

Cell Number: 494

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Actually, I am going to respond to this, and with a striking power.

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I'm here. It looks like I'll be the last one to answer the final question. I've been tied up the last couple of days. I'll have my response up sometime Friday or Saturday depending on when I can get enough spare time to collect my thoughts.

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Ok, it's posted.

My final response is up and so we draw near to a close. Some closing words from BeeKay will wrap it up, I presume?

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bugs, that was pretty nice...

let me remind you that i respect you more than any other christian, ever...

now that this debate is done and over with ( and suprisingly without any responses to mine and bugs's posts )

we can have another "lets have a debate" thread w/ ideas and what not and refs and the good stuff

i had a great time doing this and i learned so much... thanks to all who participated in the debate and all who poured their brains out in the peanut galleries giving there input \

can't wait for the next one!

[quote]Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Beliefs kill. Believe in nothing.[quote]

That would be considered "Inccorrect Inductive Reasoning," and wouldn't stand up as anything more than your opinion.


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In my opinion those posts didn't have enough substance to warrant any response, Insider.

Actually, I was quite shocked by Bugs reply...though I have seen people lose their faith, and become the opposite of what they were before...*shrugs*


Why does the belief in a Supreme Being always tie in with being...nice to your fellow man? Or considerate? Why aren't these things seperate? Though I do these things for myself, that doesn't mean that I am ruthless, or unfeeling...I just feel better...I help where I can. I don't expect a reward, or even gratitude. That is namely, not the point. I do it because I can...I remember times when others helped me...and what a difference it made in my life. At key points in my life, people helped me...and that probably lead to where I am today...so one could say, yes, but that is self-serving...maybe, but it has the same effect. My reasons for doing so only matter to myself...but the effect of my actions...affect others, as well. This realization brought me to this conclusion. Try to treat others, as you would like to be treated. Doesn't always work...but that is not the point.

WS, correct me if I'm wrong here, but being shocked by my reply stems from the fact that you consider faith to be a very insignificant part of life. IOW, someone losing their faith should have no more major impact on someone's life than stubbing their toe?

Hmmm...now that you put it that way...I guess it would be somewhat like what Neo went through in the Matrix, maybe?

Food for thought...thanks for the reply.

But would you give up your love for your fellow man if you lost your faith?

I'll wrap up the formal debate sometime this weekend.

If anyone wants to kick around ideas for another debate, then go right ahead and start the appropriate thread. I'd prefer to sit back and observe the next one ...

Cell Number: 494