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DmS
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Sthlm, Sweden
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 01-15-2007 11:54 Edit Quote

A hefty read but quite interesting after hearing all those rumors on "transparent content protection" in the new "and improved" operating system form Microsoft...

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

Who's first in line for an "upgrade"
/Dan

*/ I'm a ginio.....genios......genu......smart person! /*

{cell 260} {Blog}
-{ Sleep: A common physical disorder that manifests itself as the level of blood in the caffeine circulation exeeds 20% }-

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-16-2007 07:31 Edit Quote

Bloody hell! I'm about half way through and just shaking my head.

You start out initially being pissed off your video's or music might be affected then, you get into the medical images crap.... and oh by the way you perhaps shouldn't run a war ship with this OS... and it just goes on and on and on.

I particularly like this bit.... and that's where I'll pick up tomorrow. One thing for sure tho'.... no upgrade for this boy. =)

quote:
Overall, Vista's content-protection functionality seems like an astonishingly short-sighted piece of engineering, concentrating entirely on content protection with no consideration given to the enormous repercussions of the
measures employed. It's something like the PC equivalent of the (hastily
dropped) proposal mooted in Europe to put RFID tags into high-value banknotes
as an anti-counterfeiting measure, completely ignoring the fact that the major
users of this technology would end up being criminals who would use it to
remotely identify the most lucrative robbery targets.



___________________________________________________________________________
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I approved of it." Mark Twain

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 01-16-2007 09:24 Edit Quote

The more I hear about Vista, the more I think I'll stick to XP for a while before, finally, switching to a Linux distro if the DRM nightmare still goes on in Vista.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-16-2007 10:03 Edit Quote
quote:
The more I hear about Vista, the more I think I'll stick to XP for a while before, finally, switching to a Linux distro if the DRM nightmare still goes on in Vista.



Yup, Vista is really the thing making me view Linux now as my next OS. When support for WinXP is dropped, I am switching soley to Linux.

For me, Vista is the last nail in the M$ coffin.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Mad Librarian

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 04:22 Edit Quote

How depressing. And here I was hoping that MS would finally get it together. If they spent half the amount of energy on designing as they do on promoting, they'd have a great OS. But their strategy seems to be to design a crappy OS and then spend all their energy on promoting it in hopes that they'll pull one over on us.

That said, I don't think I'm ready to switch to Linux. It seems a bit daunting to me, and I'd have to get my wife on board as well. And I'm not sure how Korean softward would work on Linux.

(Actually, the truth is that I don't really know much about Linux at all).


___________________________
Suho: www.liminality.org | Cell 270 | Sig Rotator | the Fellowship of Sup

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 04:55 Edit Quote

It's been the same OS (which they did not design, but bought) since 1993; they've just been adding more bloat and (begrudgingly) patches to it to help justify resale.

iconian
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: Perth, Western Austrlia
Insane since: Oct 2004

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 06:24 Edit Quote

Maybe it's time to look into a mac.....

The only thing stopping me from running linux on my laptop is the fact Photoshop CS2 wont work....and VM is toooooo slow.

Matthew

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 09:14 Edit Quote

A couple weeks ago I've seen an article about a guy who managed to use PSCS2 on Linux. Don't remember the details though

And yes, Mac are another options ... but ( so far ?) that means buying a new computer which is not the case with switching to Linux

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 09:21 Edit Quote

I'm just fed up, I am sick and tired of M$ crap.

Either bring out a NEW OS, instead of another IE7...or don't.

Either way, I have reached that critical point where one says "That"s it! Here and no further!"

After WinXP support dies, I am switching to Linux. That will give me enough time to slowly get to learn Linux better.

It really bothers me that the new DirectX will ONLY run on Vista...meaning all the new games running the new DirectX version will be Vista only. And there is no way that I am going to install Vista just to play a game!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Blacknight
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: INFRONT OF MY PC
Insane since: Dec 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 10:17 Edit Quote

well then i think it is about time of think of an alternative OS but what i have tried different Linux distributions (mandrake, Kubuntu) and wasnt satisfiedt ... the problem with linux is it takes a lot of work until everything workes ..it takes a lot of knowladge to do so. and runing it on my laptop seems almost impossible to me due to the the fakt that HP does not have drivers for it. And well quite honestly M$ still has better usability than any Linux Distribution.

*i don't think it gets any quicker sig* Blacknight

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 12:21 Edit Quote

I am in physical pain when I have to use a Windows box. It takes four times as long to get things done, with eight times the eye rolling.

iconian
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: Perth, Western Austrlia
Insane since: Oct 2004

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 13:30 Edit Quote

Found this
http://blog.publicidadpixelada.com/2006/10/10/how-to-adobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu-10-steps/
I am going to try it tomorrow and if it works.......NO MORE WINDOWS!!!

Matthew

Skaarjj
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: :morF
Insane since: May 2000

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 13:30 Edit Quote

Especially if you're used to the Linux command-line. I had the opportunity today to compare the output of the Linux 'dig' command for DNS queries, to Windows' nslookup.exe.

Windows told me the name of the DNS server reporting (not necessarily the SOA, just the one that finally gave me the report), the IP address and domain that I asked for.

dig, on the other hand, can potentially give me everything, down to the time-periods of the zone record, all of the various record-types in that zone, the serial number, the primary, secondary and tertiary name-servers, as well as expanding authority information, telling me how many recursive hops it took to give me the information...

I have to admit, Linux is my living; but, even if it weren't, I'd still love it. I write this, of course, whilst using a Windows box, because there's some things I do in my own time, not at my job, that I simply cannot do yet in Linux, because the specific programs I have to use aren't in place under Linux. That, though, is the *only* thing which keeps me running a Windows box along-side my Linux ones.

There's a great opportunity in all of this Vista furor for the Linux distro-makers. If they can talk themselves up enough against Vista, get all the functionality without any of the hassle, and pretty much pull their socks up, they can steal the market out from under Microsoft.


Justice 4 Pat Richard

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-17-2007 13:56 Edit Quote
quote:
There's a great opportunity in all of this Vista furor for the Linux distro-makers. If they can talk themselves up enough against Vista, get all the functionality without any of the hassle, and pretty much pull their socks up, they can steal the market out from under Microsoft.



Agreed, and there was no better time than now to do it!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

DmS
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Sthlm, Sweden
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 01-18-2007 11:12 Edit Quote

I sort of figured some ppl here would react

I agree wholly, I was intrigued with vista at first, then the more I used my private Mac, plus the MacBookPro I switched to at work, the more I see that all the stuff Vista is touting is already in OSX, or for that matter a fimely tuned/setup Linux distro...

Then, as I read this I felt more and more disgusted with the bare thought of an operating system that places design requirements on a thirdparty hardware manufacturer! Gah!

The main thing with a computer is that it in itself should be totally neutral, the software you choose to install is what makes it possible to do things. this is now overridden by M$

Yes, I'm running a brand new top of the line PC with a maxed out graphics card and a beautiful 24" 16:9 flatscreen and I love it!
But, I use it for gaming, media center and backup data storage on my 3x300Gb disk... So far that's it.
Day to day private things run on my little 12" G4 Mac...

With the new PC came a free "upgrade" to Vista. I really doubt that I'll even try it, perhaps on a dual boot to see what the overall experience is but I really do hate the side effects of the DRM solutions.

/Dan

*/ I'm a ginio.....genios......genu......smart person! /*

{cell 260} {Blog}
-{ Sleep: A common physical disorder that manifests itself as the level of blood in the caffeine circulation exeeds 20% }-

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-19-2007 02:40 Edit Quote
quote:

iconian said:

Found this http://blog.publicidadpixelada.com/2006/10/10/how-to-adobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu-10-steps/I am going to try it tomorrow and if it works.......NO MORE WINDOWS!!!Matthew



I tried that...it didn't work for me. I have PS7 running though so that's good enough for me.

I got a beta3 a while back from some M$ rep that came to the office. It hung out in desk drawer for a few months and the other day I thought I'd give it a shot. Wouldn't even load. My work pc is a 3gig processor with 512ram. You need a gig of ram at least to run it. Kind of limiting your users who would just like to upgrade.

Like the most of you, I'll wait until XP is done and then I'm done completely with winders. I like my linux box better anyway

Later,

C:\

Blacknight
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: INFRONT OF MY PC
Insane since: Dec 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-19-2007 11:02 Edit Quote

yes i have ben thinking of switchingto linux myself ..but that brings me to one big quetion: whats with all those poor souls that can barely handle xp how should they now change to linux? I doubt that most people even know of alternatives let alone are capable of handling them. to be honest don't realy know my way round linux. And seting linux up is way more complicated than setting up xp or Vista.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-19-2007 11:39 Edit Quote
quote:
And seting linux up is way more complicated than setting up xp or Vista.



Yes, I think that is one of the mjor stumbling blocks that Linux needs to overcome to become a major player in the PC OS biz.

Surely such a step would be one in the right direction - isn't that why FF became a viable alternative to IE? Ease of installation and use.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-19-2007 13:30 Edit Quote

was reading this from digg. Ubuntu and the other flavors of it, have made installing linux a snap.

Installing software on linux used to be a real pain but with the addition of adept it really is nothing now. I'm still amazed at the number of people who have never even heard of linux

Later,

C:\

Blacknight
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: INFRONT OF MY PC
Insane since: Dec 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-19-2007 13:47 Edit Quote

i tried Ubuntu on my laptop and the install was easy but i never managed to completely configure everything so that all i wanted would work. and finding drivers was almost impossible

Blaise
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: London
Insane since: Jun 2003

IP logged posted posted 01-19-2007 14:34 Edit Quote

I had a good crack at (k)Ubuntu too, it's a really nice OS, and did install very seamlessly. I did however have problems with my wireless card, it proved overly complicated for me to set it up as it was a Belkin, and required some emulation of windows drivers to work correctly. In the end I decided to install an nlite verion of windows as I know that everything will work out of the box for my old PC

Even when Linux gets better support for drivers (I was pleasantly surprised how well everything else was detected) it still has a way to go in terms of user experience and interactivity compared to Vista and OS X. Really I think Linux distros should put their energy's into emulating the best bits of OS X as much as possible, then ease of use and installation will be second nature and people will flock to their free operating systems.

Cheers,

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 01-29-2007 19:12 Edit Quote

Just a bit of an update. The comments are spot on. I know it shouldn't but stuff like this just gets my guts churning!
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1640/159/

___________________________________________________________________________
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I approved of it." Mark Twain

twItch^
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Denver, CO, USA
Insane since: Aug 2000

IP logged posted posted 01-29-2007 19:46 Edit Quote

By the end of the year, even liberal guesses are putting usage of Windows Vista at around 12% of Windows machines, the rest of them being nearly all Windows XP. XP is not going to be ignored, Vista will be buggy for at least a full year, and I see no reason to change over.

-steve

rukuartic
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Underneath a mountain of blankets.
Insane since: Jan 2007

IP logged posted posted 01-29-2007 20:03 Edit Quote

Not me, I left Windoze after I lost support for w2k.

rukuartic@halflght:~/$ whatis life
life: nothing appropriate.

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 01-30-2007 17:05 Edit Quote

Yet again, it seems, the legitimate user base will be depending upon hackers to break content-protection in order to view their legitimately acquired media without further expense and hassle. In fact, as usual, it is only the pirates who won't be having issue with this, as it is not possible to produce an unbreakable content-protection system, meaning that only the legitimate end-user will be left neck-high in the crap, while the black-market industry will continue unabated.

While most noble types will see this as a bloody good reason to switch to free software solutions and development, I'm starting to think it's high time I flew the Jolly Roger and fished out my old eye patch. I think life will be much more manageable when I stop trying to be fair about it - especially as, being a legitimate end-user, I'm the only one in the great chain of consumerism who is!

It's more likely that the majority of my clients will desire to make the eventual switch to Vista rather than to Linux, but I can't see it happening for some time (keeping in mind the obligatory year-or-more of bugs and updates that follows any new Microsoft release). When it does happen, I very-much doubt I'll be the only person in the IT industry with a pocket full of the necessary tools (read "hacks") to ensure my experience with Vista remains a pleasant one.

Well done, Microsoft - just keep that thing aimed at your foot...

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzz.....

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 02-01-2007 14:55 Edit Quote

speech recognition takes great leap forward
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6320865.stm

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 02-01-2007 23:49 Edit Quote

ROFL! I would point out that this would be easy to circumvent through an application of echo/feedback cancellation, whereby output from the speakers could be discerned from 'real' voice commands by the user...

However, as such a feature would be crippled by Vista's wonderful new Premium Content Protection (PCP?!?), I couldn't be sure that this would be viable.

Anyway, as a quick note regarding my thinly-veiled reference to piracy, I hope that it was taken with a pinch of salt, as intended. Reference to 'tools' on the other hand, still valid.

____
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzz.....
Microsoft have discovered a cure for cancer! They'll release it as soon as they find a way to stop anyone using it...

Blaise
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: London
Insane since: Jun 2003

IP logged posted posted 02-02-2007 10:26 Edit Quote

Don't worry White Hawk, we know you're as much as a pirate as the rest of us.

ARRRGGHHHH!

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 02-02-2007 13:59 Edit Quote



___________________________________________________________________________
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I approved of it." Mark Twain

GRUMBLE
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Omicron Persei 8
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 02-06-2007 23:20 Edit Quote

ahhhh, it is so good to read all those jealous posts on a fresh install of vista, which, thanks to the local student conditions, only costs me 10 bucks!

i didnt get that flip3d running, anyone got an idea how to activate it? its vista business btw.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 02-07-2007 10:42 Edit Quote

Nice to see your Vista running flip3d perfectly, Grumble!

We are finding out that Vista has alot of interesting 'features' here at work

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 02-07-2007 16:01 Edit Quote
quote:

GRUMBLE said:

all those jealous posts...



Perhaps it's time for a reading comprehension refresher course??

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 02-07-2007 17:25 Edit Quote

pffft. This weekend I'm going to buy a new hard drive, install ubuntu and then beryl.

I want this =)

Later,

C:\

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 02-08-2007 10:12 Edit Quote

^ Now THAT got a WOW out of me!

Holy crud!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Blaise
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: London
Insane since: Jun 2003

IP logged posted posted 02-08-2007 12:31 Edit Quote

Yeah yeah, lots of eye-candy that you'll just want to turn off once you realise that it takes and extra 5 minutes to boot, and you have to wait around for fancy effects to finish...

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 02-08-2007 13:37 Edit Quote
quote:
Yeah yeah, lots of eye-candy that you'll just want to turn off once you realise that it takes and extra 5 minutes to boot, and you have to wait around for fancy effects to finish...



Sounds like Windows...

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 02-11-2007 00:30 Edit Quote
quote:

Blaise said:

that you'll just want to turn off



at least you'd be able to turn it off with Beryl. Windows your stuck with the gunk. I had a chance to play around with vista a couple of days ago. I didn't have time to really find anything *that* great about it. The DRM thing kind of sucks though.

Later,

C:\

hyperbole
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Madison, Indiana
Insane since: Aug 2000

IP logged posted posted 02-11-2007 04:33 Edit Quote

I just ran across this site.

It asks you a series of questions and recommends which distribution of Linux you might find most suitable based on your answers.

Since a number of people have been expressing intrest in learning more about Linux and swithcing from Windows, I thought I would post it here.

.



-- not necessarily stoned... just beautiful.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 02-11-2007 13:49 Edit Quote

^ Thank you very much for the link!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 02-11-2007 14:36 Edit Quote

^ You might find this article informative.

I too have been considering Linux and of all the articles I've run across this one has, so far, made the most sense for this novice. I was near about tearing out my hair trying to get a handle on all the different flavors of Linux when I landed on this one.

After reading this I'm at least going to try what is called a 'Live CD.' Seems pretty safe.

quote:
One of the most challenging aspects of dealing with Linux is that there are hundreds of different Linux distributions and this is overwhelming and confusing to most people trying to learn about Linux. In reality, deciding on what Linux to use is not really a critical issue. It is generally very easy to install Linux; and data from one distribution is easily moved to a new distribution without any problems.


http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3135712364.html

I have some other sites that from a novice perspective have been very helpful... one with a good movie walking you through a dual boot installation and if you're interested in those just holler and I"ll post'em up. But initially this one here has been the best for me.

___________________________________________________________________________
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I approved of it." Mark Twain

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