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I use Avant Browser. I tried Mozilla 1.5, but it couldn't render my site correctly despite all the hype about it adhering to W3 standards. (My site and CSS validated with W3 so it was definitely a compatibility problem on Mozilla's side.)

I largely use Opera 7 although I use IE for the radio as it doesn't work in Opera. I'd pos. use FireBird if I could get it to work

We had a bit of a discussion on this here too:
http://development.gurusnetwork.com/discussion/thread/2431/

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My site and CSS validated with W3 so it was definitely a compatibility problem on Mozilla's side.

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Just because it's valid doesn't make it render "correctly".

I use plain IE6 I don't like any of those "web browsers" that are just using IE to render pages (like MyIE2, Avant, etc.) But, besides IE6, I also have Opera 7, Mozilla 1.5, FireBird 0.7 installed just for testing to see if my pages work in them...

Metahuman, can you post a link to your site? If it validates, Mozlla shouldn't have any problems displaying it correctly...

At the moment i'm using Mozilla Firebird. Absolutely amazing browser (IMO anyway ) I just love the extensions you can use with it, making the browser work exactly how you want it to. I also find it to be very fast.

I've never personally use Avant Browser but it looks very similar to Crazy Browser (I think i remember someone from the asylum saying they use Crazy Browser).

On a side note, i don't think i could use a browser now that didn't support tabbed browsing. I first used them when i tried out Mozilla 1.4. Never once looked back. It might have something to do with the fact i have about 10+ tabs open at a time. My bookmarks folder is a complete mess and i dont like sorting through it to get to a page i want, just find it easier to have it open at all times

Right, sorry if that made no sense but i'm at work and don't have much spare time. Got to get back.

Mozilla FireBird owns your soul... bow down before it's might. If god was a browser he'd be MozFB.


It's only after we've lost everything...
That we're free to do anything...

Firebird! as nolp said, i love the extensions and tabbed browing and well, i just love it! before that, i used opera, which is where i got hooked on tabbed browsing. IE hates me (which i'm quite fine with) and refuses to run properly so it and netscape only get used for testing.

Safari.

Been using Opera7.x for the last couple of months. Used Mozilla or Firebird before that. The thing that made me switch from Mozilla/Firebird was Operas mail system which I really like.

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IE 6 and Mozilla 1.5. I ususally use IE for general browsing but I do love Mozilla.

Let's see - installed, I have:
IE 6.0 SP1
IE 5.5 SP2
IE 5.01 SP2
IE 4.01
Mozilla 1.5
Opera 7.23
Netscape 7.1

I use IE 6.0 SP1 for the most part during the day, with the rest accessible via Optool for testing. Optool doesn't allow more than 7 browsers, or I'd have Firebird as well. I understand the next version of Optool will support more browsers.

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I'd pos. use FireBird if I could get it to work

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can't get it to work? strange.......

I use FB too.

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IE5.5 at home (havent bothered to install any others after the recent reinstall)
IE6 at work since a lot of our tools just work in IE6. Go figure....

I primarily use Netscape 7.1 these days but also have the following browsers installed for testing:

Netscape 6.2
Mozilla 1.5
Netscape 4.7
InterNET Explorer 5.0
InterNET Explorer 6.
Opera 7.0

-- not necessarily stoned... just beautiful.

Usually mozilla firebird.

Want to reiterate HZR's point -

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My site and CSS validated with W3 so it was definitely a compatibility problem on Mozilla's side.

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As stated, validation does not in any way imply that you are actually using the code correctly to accomplish what you want.

The *ONLY* thing it means is that you have no syntax errors, and are using stadardized tags and selectors.

The validator has no way of knowing what your layout intentions are, and therefore cannot tell you whether you are correctly setting up your code to achieve them.

Mozilla, like any browser, has the occasional quirk. But by and large, it's adherence to w3c standards, and proper rendering of properly coded sites exceeds any browser that I've used.

The key part to that is "properly coded" (which, again, is more encompassing than "valid code"). It is much less forgiving of problematic code than IE.

I was a diehard IE user for a long time but I switched to Firebird a while back. It's tabbed browsing capabilities are what finally won me over.

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Browsers installed:
IE6.0
IE5.5
IE5.01
IE3.0
MZ1.4
FB0.7
NN4.79
Lynx2.8.4

Browsers used daily:
IE6.0 ... mainly due to a reflex of PAVLOV that make me click on the blue icon instead of the red one
FB0.7 ... when I browse some sites stuffed with ads ( my userContent.css hides them ) or when I browse some sites with many articles



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I use Firebird

*use* IE6 (sometimes that piece of crap Firebird for tabbed browsing on a big research dig)

installed for testing
IE6, 5.5, 5
Firebird 0.7
Opera 7
NN4.7, 6.2

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sometimes that piece of crap Firebird...

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*gasp* blasphemer!

I had that p.o.c. as my default for a little while, til I found myself constantly having to open IE to view content. IE just works, on everything. Firebird's a fine thing, but it's not my default browser. If it handled plugins as well as it does extensions, it'd be the go, maybe.

I use Nutscrape 7.0.1, (only because Deviantart looks good on it.)

IE6 - simple is better. I would like the tabbed thing though. Sounds pretty cool. But everything seems to work on IE, since everyone who doesn't know about checking different browsers for compatibitlity usually only tests it on IE, so therefore that is why I use it, so everything looks right.


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DL: If my CSS is W3-compliant, and my site renders perfectly in Avant Browser (a souped up version of IE6) yet incorrectly in Mozilla, then logically the problem rests with Mozilla.

krets: Have you tried Avant Browser? I haven't tried Firebird, but I will.

metahuman:

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If my CSS is W3-compliant, and my site renders perfectly in Avant Browser (a souped up version of IE6) yet incorrectly in Mozilla, then logically the problem rests with Mozilla.

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Not necessary. IE is famous for its "personal" and limited interpretation of the standards. I don't know if you already did, but you should check the specifactions of the CSS and the sites of some CSS advocates to see if the elements in your page are rendered correctly. You'll quickly find out that the problem do not, or extremely rarely, comes from Mozilla, and that if you want to make a Standard Compliant site, the way to go is first Mozilla ( or any other *really* Standard Compliant browser ), then the other browsers.



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I use Avant primarily because it's IE6 with tabbing and it's skinnable. I'm one of those eye candy people. Gotta agree with JK, IE seems to give me a better overall experience with all sites. Mainly, I think because it is the dominent browser and designers/developers usually make it the priority browser to design for. Of course I have IE6, IE5.1,IE5.5, Netscape 6.1, Netscape 7.1, Mozilla, Firebird and opera 6.0 for testing. (Can't wait for that optool upgrade!) Firebird is cool, and I can see it really catching on, But there just seems to be greater all around support for IE6.

I wish I could use Safari on windows!!





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yah, that would be IE... It works well, its always ready to go, and i get more space per icons, and all that froo-froo... frooy junk.

Froo!

Yay! Another Avant user.

I use IE6 when browsing. I like FB better, but am too lazy to change all my settings to make it default.

Installed Browsers:

IE6
IE55
IE51
Moz1.0
NS4.72
NS7.01
FB0.7
Opera7
Lynx (some version)
Openwave SDK (cell phone emu thingy)

Think that's it.

Bah, Firebird sucks big time. It's slow, it constantly thows up bizzare errors and it hogs memory like you wonldn't believe. I've once seen it using more than 500 Meg of swap space and I only have 5 browser windows open (Including Tabs)! I've tried switching to use firebird several times now, but I keep going back to IE because it's fast, simple and it actually works. I'd use Opera but the advertising annoys me and I'm not a fan of how the browser on a whole is laid out.

Althtough, I do use Thunderbird as my email client, as it seems to have less issues with my IMAP account than Outlook does.

Firebird all the way.

I recently installed XP on my parents computer which has this nice ability to uninstall IE and Outlook Express, I then installed Firebird and Thunderbird and amazingly enough the only problem they have come to me with is "When I click on web browser it doesn't open up to google automatically" at which point I set their homepage to google and there were no more problems at all.

Many people might have tried firebird back when it was pheonix or during one of its earlier iterations, but the new 0.7 is pretty solid. I would recommend you check it out if you haven't. It is such a small application and it works so well.

-Dan-

I pretty much stick to IE6. I have most of the others installed and I use them to make sure the stuff I do looks ok in them. Lately I've been trying to get back into some Javascript coding and I really don't want to fight the cross-browser fight just yet until I know what I've got going on one browser first.

Another reason I stick with IE is that over 90% of my visitors use it.

. . : slicePuzzle

I've been on a Lynx kick lately, mostly because I'm trying to avoid losing my job due to accessibility lawsuits....

The amazing thing is how few of us have any idea how our sites 'appear' to text browsers & text readers. Here is what this page looks like in Lynx:

Lynx

/* Sure, go ahead and code in your fancy IDE. Just remember: it's all fun and games until someone puts an $i out */

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Firebird for all my serious needs.
When some site requires ActiveX, and I can't live without it, I have to use IE.
When testing pages for my homeworks, I use also Opera 7 (good for WML, for instance - Firebird has an extension that doesn't work properly).

As stated in another post i do use different browsers on different computers... but when i am at home and be able to choose Mozzilla1.5 or firebird0.7. The good thin about moz is the very direct way you can search. Jut type the keywords in the adres bar, click on the search button or (even faster) click below the adresbar on the apearing box.
And your search is on its way. I almost never open google directly.

When i use the linux version on my dualboot system i use sometimes kongueror bit this seems a bit slow.


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Mozilla all the way, with the Skypilot skin...

you'd have to be on crack to use anything else...

....and I've no idea why people choose Firebird OVER Mozilla..


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To those having some problems of memory with Firebird, I'd like to mention that I often surf like crazy. I mean, when I'm looking for some gaming sites I often open all the screenshots I can. Thus it's not rare to have ~50/60 URL open. Firebird 0.7 begin to crawl then ( notice that I've only ~2Gb left on a total of 51Gb ), but whenever I start to open the links like crazy with IE 6.0, 2 times over 3 it crashes and closes all the windows without any warning except the usual "Do you want to report the error to Microsoft" ... as if Microsoft would debug that.



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Did you guys know that you can type "dict" plus any word in the location bar of Firebird and it will automatically search dictionary.com for that word? I.E. "dict apotheosis" will search dictionary.com for that word.

I just found that out yesterday. Kick ass.

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Firebird is really great and IE sucks.

But I'll tell you that I'm developing a site as my final project in a course, and it's about XML and XSLT. I have an XML data file that's around 1MB of size. When I type the address of such file in Firebird, Firebird freezes for about 1 minute, and then it shows the tree structure of the file (getting back to normal). When I do the same in IE, it takes around 4 seconds to do the same thing and show the same tree structure.

Both browsers take around 50MB in RAM memory when displaying this tree.

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then logically the problem rests with Mozilla.

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That is totally wrong in every way. That is not "logic".

Again - the validator *only* determines that you are using valid selectors and have no syntax errors.

It does *not* have anything to do with the whether or not the page will render properly. That is what testing is for.

If you design your site to work in IE, then you are going to end up working with IE's very loose interpretation of a lot of things, and therefore never learn how to do it "right".

Mozilla not rendering the page properly, will mean - about 95% of the time - that there is something in your code that you are going about the wrong way.

As far as firebird not handling plugins - I have never had such a problem You have to tell it what to use is all....
I've had absolutely no problems with it being slow, and it has been more stable on my machine than IE.