Topic: New troll flavour of the month...

A member by the name of OzoneLeader__hi. Match out for theracialslurs and shit hidden in plain site in his posts. Fun for the whole family

his latest post (already deleted by me) was in the ozone forum, under 'My Home...'

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

I'll be logging IPs until I can sort this out, I assume the same person, no?

Your pal, -doc-

Well Doc, either you got my email, or we just think alike.

I'm hoping its the second one.

-Jestah
Cell 277

Ah, the IP logging mystery is revealed... I should have thought to come here first. Anyway, I figured it was something like this.

Happy hunting!

AND, of course, that'll probably be the last post we see from that username now. I may have to make IP logging a permanent feature, just to scare off the little script-kiddies, heh.

Your pal, -doc-

You're logging what?

LMAO@krets

Doc:
I know this is none of my business but what purpose is served by logging IP's??
Ok, i'm an exception because I have a static IP, but what about all of those
with dynamic IP's ....are you going to start banning ISPs and domains?
What about anonymizer and 10 other spoofing services that are free?

Why not just ignore the trolls and fuckwits....they will invariably move somewhere else
when you do that.

ShootingStar has a huge point there:

The cable internet provider in my area (Vancouver, WA) runs half of the cities IP Adresses. Now, I'm not going to start pointing fingers, but I have a very good idea of who is posting under the name of OzoneLeader_hi. But, the problem is, you will get the same IP adress from everyone in eastern Vancouver.

Note to DocOzone: I actually know who it is...and I'll give you an e-mail about it



Damn...Why is my

I don't think its about banning IP's, more about knowing who people are. That way we can just expose them.

Yep, expose them, so everyone can see just how small they truly are...

What did this person do?

Dan:
You can't expose someone who spoofs their IP.

Drac:
I think it was racist remarks or some similar shit. read the thread, first post.

Someone who spoofs their IP, or hides behind a proxie, for the sole purpose of being a jerk? Well, in that situation, they have many deeper problems to worry about than us "exposing" them as losers.

Dan:
You got it. That's the challenge. You tell em!

I'm aware of the problems involved with dynamic IPs. I'm still going to continue logging things though, (I'll have to make the "iploggged" thing less ugly!) There are things I can do to people once I know more about their IP and where they come from, things other than banning. (Mostly of the "giving shit" variety! Heh.) If I really needed to, I've dealt with SysAdmins before, and if I know the dynamic IP and the exact time of the connection I can have them run the logs and tell me who exactly was using it at that moment. This would be a major pain in the ass for me, but I *could* do it, and will if these racist problems continue. Hopefully just having people know that I can do this will make the problem stop.

Your pal, -doc-

Krets: That is classic. I'm glad I work from home so no one was around to hear me laughing my head off.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

I've got this incredible feeling of deja vu.

-tiki, cell 478

It's deja vu all over again!

Does logging the IP also log the server data...cause in that case you cna contact them legally and ask them as to who was using this IP at this time (usually it's best to give them the time in GMT). They can give you relevant information, and they can also block that ueer from coming to this site.

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

quote:

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you cna contact them legally and ask them as to who was using this IP at this time

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my god, do you live in a police state?

Remember this? A guy or gal at AOL once revealed an identity to someone
identifying themselves as navy or something. The AOL person
revealing the identity was terminated (if i recall) and the whole thing
caused a scandal....ISPs are not allowed to reveal customer ID's unless
there is a serious breach ---child porn, criminal activities, unfunny jokes, ripping off eyeball-design, etc. - and if they do they can only reveal it to the proper authorities.

keep in mind that there are few international laws when it comes to internet mischief or
the more serious spreading of hatred on forums and NGs.
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-511204.html?legacy=zdnn
and http://www.epic.org/privacy/anon/anonymity.html

It's your call guys, just remember the legal implications. Not to metion you are most probably dealing with minors which the law protects..

christ, in my neck of the woods minors actually haved killed people ( a priest and his wife) and then were given a very harsh slap on the wrists - i'd put the lil bastards away forever.

but keep in mind freedom of speech and privacy issues...there's a fine line. I've read many posts here from respected posters which i felt were incredibly racist or offensive. where do you draw the line?

edit: oh, before i forget, the little bastards know they can get away scott-free so they don't react to threats of punishment.



[This message has been edited by ShootingStar (edited 05-26-2002).]

OK, I didn't even read your whole post, but I know what button I pushed. The fact is, that I can't *legally* ask them for this information. But! I can use my influence as a old fart in the 'net community to get a SysAdmin to give me this information, or simply to allow him to go and dicipline his own user in his own way. Law and legality is important, but don't you forget it, the internet is held together more by people who just give a shit than it is by lawyers! That's what I *meant* to say when I posted [whatever nonsense] I might have posted. So! If I run across any really blatant abuses in the system (this or any other), I'll just do what I always do, talk to the guys who really make things go, and between us we'll do the right thing.

So relax! We don't live in a police state. We live in a system governed by *anarchy*. Welcome to the internet.

Your pal, -doc-

Well, atleast I go meself a trophy... *Holds up the pants seat of a pair of jeans in my teeth.* hehehehehehe!



'Me no here. Me go bye. Leave me message. Me reply.'

Wolfen's Sig Site

I'm not here to prevent anarchy, I'm here to preserve it.

"We live in a system governed by *anarchy*. Welcome to the internet."

Yah should put that on a coffee mug Doc! I'd buy it...

OK...I do know that where I live though, if you do manage to get local police involved...but anyway. that's right, we don't live in a police state, and although I completley respect the UN treatise on the rights of the child, I think it carries a bit to far sometimes. Oh well...little said, little gained.

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

The whole irony, is that the little troll is getting
exactly what he set out to do....get attention.
he's probably long gone by now.

No, he's laughing his ass off in a corner.

Maybe he's laughing...but he has also learned that we won't put up with his crap...either that, or he is stupid, and comes back for more...so he can laugh all he wants...personally, I like the 'ip logged' thingie...should be something that is active all the time on every board...

Yeah, but could it be done a bit more discreetly, like InI suggested? It's cramping my style.




Cell 270

I'll make it prettier later tonight, probably with a little icon up by the editing icons I figure. It's mucking up my sig too!

Your pal, -doc-

Naw, can`t muck up that sig, Doc. It`s a proven survivor.



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[This message has been edited by docilebob (edited 05-28-2002).]

But it shows you the point here it finishes fading out. I think the line break idea would be a good one, or even take it down and align it extreme right.

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

wasn't it aligned bottom-right the first time something like this happened?


Harmonizing new illusions...
ICQ: 67751342

Yea Petskull, I believe it was.

That should solve with the mucking, of course a snappy catch phrase couldn't hurt either. What was it last time? Big Brothers Watching? Before the generic IP Logged I mean. Anyway, I have a feeling its a certain active member doing the said posting. I think I have emailed you about this Doc.

Anyway, before anyone jumps to conclusions, I'd like to just come out with it and let you all in on our little secret. Doc Ozone, well thats me. I've been working under that name now for years.

-Jestah
Cell 277

Do you remember [Whirrrr...]?

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Doc, they've taken the bait, could you give their IP's free to us? Please?

Well, is something being done? Planned?

hehe WS, what you plan to do with there IP's?

Everybody: I've been eMailing the Doc and Jestah and have the situation pretty much figured out. The offenders aren't posting anymore anyways (little intrest in the subjects talked about).

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The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

just a quick note i see our little friend trust no 1 is back in the forums, behaving for now (hello thread in ozone forum)



[This message has been edited by tomeaglescz (edited 05-31-2002).]

Tome: If he's back that means that he's been given permission by the Doc to be here...so unless he actually DOES something wronmg, or troll-ish, then leave him be. He has as much right to be here as any Asylum member who has not broken the rules.

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Woohoo! Skaarjj, the voice of reason! I know we're all jumpy, but lets try not to chop any heads off yet... Remember, they are kids. Give 'em a chance to make it right.

Ok...number one, anybody that is old enough to be posting here should be punished just as much as an adult. This was in responce to the last post, saying that "their just kids"...errr...something like that.

Two: Their behaving.

Three: They don't have much intrest anymore

Four: The Doc gave back permission to the school, becuase I mailed him telling him that they were going to behave.

Five: I have noticed that people think that I am somehow the cause of the problem and that I have posted rascist comments. I wan't to clear this up: The only reason that they know about the site was because I put an image up here for critiquing and one of them wanted it for a Power Point background. So I downloaded it for them, and then they wanted the adress. Then It caught on...anyways...it's fine now, though as somebody said, their is the "innocence lost" part

Five: thats it!

PS: I have a question. I heard it mentioned that Doc and Jestah are the same person (Jestah is Docs alias), is this true?

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cb... um.... no.

DocOzone -- God
Jestah -- Archangel of the Acodealypse


Harmonizing new illusions...
ICQ: 67751342

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Ok...number one, anybody that is old enough to be posting here should be punished just as much as an adult. This was in responce to the last post, saying that "their just kids"...errr...something like that.

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You misunderstood me, CFB. I did not say that they shouldn't be punished (and how do we punish people anyway?), I just said that they should be given another chance. I don't expect you to fully understand this, still being a "kid" yourself , but kids have a tendency to do really stupid things sometimes--all of us go through it. It's part of the twisted learning process called "growing up." I am not arguing for leniency, I am merely arguing for understanding. If you don't understand that now, perhaps you will someday. I'm sorry if this sounds condescending, but I just wanted to make sure you understood what I was trying to say. Cool?

(By the way, feel free to address your comments to me, rather than talking about them as if I'm not here. That kind of irked me, for some reason. No worries, though. I think I'm just tired.)

wtf's Acodealypse?

Its like the Apocalypse but with code

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FAQs: Emperor

Well, I have no idea what an IP thingee is, so if I start swearing or making fun of other people, you let me know.

When I can see further, it means that I am standing on the shoulders of giants. - Newton

InSiDeR... read Revelations, man!

duh!!


Harmonizing new illusions...
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Don't tell me to read revelation, if anything you need to read it more to catch up with me, I know more about revelation and the apocalypse than george lucas knows about star wars.

What!? Me and the Doc the same person! Who starts these ridiculous rumors!! I want names people.

Of course, I don't suppose any of you have seen us together in the same room before ...

-Jestah
Cell 277

Hmm, do virtual rooms count? Look, they're both here, now! How odd, how strange. Hey Jestah, I've got a big presentation to do tomorrow, aren't you done yet?



Your pal, -doc-

~Checks IPs, check time difference between posts~

No that is interesting, very, very interesting.......

~wanders off stroking beard. falls down stairs and spills the rest of the 3 litre bottle of cough medicine~

uh oh, theres a leak in the coughy meds, EVERYONE LICK THE FLOOR AND THEN GAZE AT THE PRETTY COLORS!!!!!!!

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Jestah:

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Anyway, before anyone jumps to conclusions, I'd like to just come out with it and let you all in on our little secret. Doc Ozone, well thats me. I've been working under that name now for years.

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That's what made me think that you and Doc were the same person! I see what it means now though, I just misread it!

Suho1004: Ok...I'm not not stupid, and yes, I know that kids have the tendancy to do really stupid things *cough**cough* And I am not saying that they should be punished (their my friends), I'm just saying that they have pretty much lost intrest in the Asylum. That is because they are not intrested in graphics, web page design, or anything except games and (some stupid) flash movies. Ok?

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CF,

I was only kidding about that although I will tell you one thing! Id like to run into this blasted Kevin Doyle in a dark alley one of these nights! I swear I can't go anywhere on the internet without someone going hey your that Kevin guy, right? For the last time, I dont know why this weirdo gets his jollys off by pretending we're the same guy, but we aren't!



-Jestah
Cell 277

CFB: OK, if that's what you wanted to say (but it isn't exactly what you said ), I'm cool with that. And I don't think you're stupid. Sorry if my message came across that way.