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You know, DL-44 never said why he didn't believe, I am kind of waiting for that.

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Someone close this poor thread.

someone once said that the devils greatest trick was to convince humanity that he didn't exist. i say his greatest trick was to convince humanity he was god.

Welcome to the Asylum Dokuzetsu...enjoy the stay. What does your name mean, anyway? Just curious...

thanks Webshaman, my name means wicked or poisoned tongue

I think his greatest trick was to convince us there's plenty of time.

Welcome to the Asylum, Dokuzetsu.

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explain bugs

I've always loved this:

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There is a fable which tells of three apprentice devils who were coming to this earth to finish their apprenticeship. They were talking to Satan, the chief of the devils, about their plans to tempt and ruin men. The first said, "I will tell them there is no God." Satan said, "That will not delude many, for they know that there is a God." The second said, "I will tell men there is no hell." Satan answered, "You will deceive no one that way; men know even now that there is a hell for sin." The third said, "I will tell men there is no hurry." "Go," said Satan, "and you will ruin them by the thousand." The most dangerous of all delusions is that there is plenty of time. The most dangerous day in a man's life is when he learns that there is such a word as tomorrow. There are things which must not be put off, for no man knows if for him tomorrow will ever come.

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Bugs hit it right on...I asked my Dad, a pretty hardcore (yet cool) Christian what the Bible said was the Devil's greatest trick and he said that it is trying get people to think: "Well, maybe in a little bit," or, "I'll do it tommorow," or, "Just this once."

The attitude "I'll do it tommorow" doesn't ruin the world IMO, just makes people lazy.

Isn't that a yes or no question?
No.

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Actually...it was refferring to those statements in a religious context such as: Well, I'll follow God tommorow, or, I'll quit looking at porno tommorow

What does it mean to follow God? Isn't everything apart of God's plan, even Evil? If everything is apart of God's plan and made of God, is it really possible to not follow God? i mean if there was no evil, there would be no good. So therefor, everyone, even evil people, are following Gods plan, because seeing evil convinces people to follow God.

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[This message has been edited by Gilbert Nolander (edited 06-09-2002).]

That makes a really twisted sort of sense, Gilbert. but only if you believe in god

All journeys consist of individual steps...one after another. It is only when we look back, that we see how far we have gone...

And no, I don't believe in the devil....I think Mankind does a good enough job as it is...

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Isn't everything apart of God's plan, even Evil?

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I would say definitely not. Read Genesis and you will see that sin had not entered the world until we humans decided to give it a try. Once that happened *everything* was tainted by it's deadliness and that is why we even talk about needing salvation.

Uhhh...Bugs? Then when did the 'revolt' in Heaven start? I always thought that that was before Adam and Eve...after all, the 'serpent' in the Garden is supposed to be Satan, right? So that 'war' must have occured before Mankind was created...

Or is the Serpent someone/something else?

Do you know? Can you perhaps clarify this?

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hum.
Very interesting.
Yes, when did the war in heaven start?

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The war in heaven started when Satan (Lucifer, The Devil, Whatever you want to call him, depending on your religion) tryed to gain power equal to God's. Satan gatherd followers, but God threw him out of Heaven.

It is impossible to know when this happened since Heaven and Hell have no time, and the no time thing really baffles me, because It's just so immense.

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All this talk of the power of god and the devil. There are millions of people practising various arts of good and evil magik, but for all the ritual animal killings or candle burning, not one grain of sand has ever been moved by the power of magik.

I respect anyones wish to believe in God, the Devil or any of their psudonyms as long as they don't try to force their beliefs onto me. If I murder your family and say God made me do it, will God be put on trial? no, I'll be shunted into the looney bin until I become sane enough to say I did it by myself, then I'll be executed.

My personal belief is that we must live our lives as we see fit and neither blame nor praise a higher power when it all goes right or wrong. A life of religion is the ultimate gamble, you can spend your life worshipping in the hope that you'll go to heaven or spend it gambling and womanising and risk going to hell.

Funny thing though, there are millions of animals killing each other and doing bad things to each other for fun or food, are they all going to hell or don't animals count and if they don't count, then is this religion stuff only for species that have attained a certain intelligence?

I have a question for people who don't believe in a God, can you prove that he doesn't exist? I know for a fact that Bugs or Myself could come up with more proof that God exists than you can find to prove that he doesn't exist. It's a challenge: Go for it!

The burden of proof always is in the hands of the one making a positive claim. It's impossible to prove something does not exist if it can't be tested/observed.

Claim that reindeer can fly. I can line up some reindeer at the edge of a cliff and start pushing them off to see if they can sly. They all splat on the ground far below. I haven't proven that they couldn't fly. It would be up to the person making the claim to produce a bona fide flying reindeer that can be observed and tested.

I simply do not believe in god(s), devils, spirits, ghosts, alien abductions, etc.

My quick 2 cents.

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Actually, I'd say go for it, push all the reindeer off of a cliff and see what happens you just might be surprised!

cfb - i'm afraid it isn't that simple.

two people can use the same piece of 'evidence' to support two opposing ideas, simply because of their perspective.

I find the human body so absolutely amazing, such a wonderous creation, that i feel it is undeniable evidence of a supreme being.
The evolutionist uses this same amazment with the body to show how mystifying the evolutionary theory is.


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Lord Stanley is God.

Lord Stanley's Cup is The Holy Grail.

What else is there....?

Hmmm...BeeKay, things can be proved without direct evidence...in that context I mean the 5 senses...take, for example, air. You can't see it, hear it, feel it, taste it, or smell it...but it exists...and atoms, quarks, and other such things...

Also, what is with abstract concepts...such as the mathematical i (sqr -1)?

So mostly, it's a question of whether or not there are presently means to prove something...that maybe we will have in the future...

Food for thought...

And as for reindeer flying...everything can fly...just in one direction...

Seriously, maybe someday we could genetically engineer a reindeer that could fly...
One should attempt to keep an open mind...what is generally not accepted as true today, could be proven true tomorrow...

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Seriously, maybe someday we could genetically engineer a reindeer that could fly...

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On TechTV I saw a program several years ago (I think) about a group of genetic researchers that crossbred a octapus and a bat and called it an octobat, it was essentially a hairless bat that could live underwater. Oh ya, and it was devoid of all though, emotion and sign of life. Mostly because it died in half a day

It can not be proven or disproven that God the creator exists. But to claim that spirits and spiritual energy also do not exist is simply an example of your lack of attachment to this other half of life. No big deal, these things do not need your acceptance to exist. I don't want to argure about it, because I know I could never convince you. Look into remote viewing (a scientific viewpoint) or look into Out of Body experiences (a more spiritual view) and you will see that we have spiritual energy that has the capability to leave the body and travel through the world without our bodies. There have been remote viewers who worked for the Gov't who used to go into enemy buildings and read documents in the astral form, and then report them back. Before this was done, the Gov't did experiments with this. In these experiments they would write down something on a piece of paper and put it in a locked room and tell the remote viewer to tell them what it said. After the Gov't trusted these experiments, they started using these people to unlock the secrets of foriegn gov't/enemies.

You can read all scientific stuff here: http://www.crvmanual.com/

Go here to learn more about spiritual side of it: http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/Alfred.Ballabene/english/engindex.htm


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Gilbert: Of course we have spirits! That's common knowledge to anybody who takes part in religion, and it's not exactly all that hard to get me to beleive it since I already beleive that everybody has a soul. I'm also very open minded if I'm not in an argumentativve mood. Out of body experiences have been reported in just about every church, Christian, Catholic,, Musilim, Hindu etc...

Bugs, you still haven't answered my question...you still out there?

*starts searching nooks and crannies for Bugs* 'Here, Bugs, don't be afraid, I won't step on you, I promise!'

CFB: you cannot *prove* the existence of a 'god'.

You may be able to explain many of the things that cause *you* to believe that there is a god, but you cannot prove it's existence.

Bugimus has stated many very thoroughly researcehd explanations of biblical history and many examples to back up the reasons for his faith and beliefs, but I have never heard him say that any of those things *prove* him to be right.

You should take heed of his wisdom rather than tryin gto jump on his bandwagon....

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Of course we have spirits! That's common knowledge to anybody who takes part in religion

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Just have to point out - AGAIN - that this is common belief, not common knowledge.

nevermind

[This message has been edited by counterfeitbacon (edited 06-20-2002).]

Welcome to the Asylum milktea

It?s interesting that this topic comes up so often on such a wide variety of bulletin boards. I?ve often seen these discussions devolve into a series of insults and flames so it?s nice to see the question hasn?t been so divisive here

To answer the initial forum question, my response is no. I lack belief in any sort of God, gods or supreme beings. Personally, I don?t believe it?s necessary to include a god in order to explain the beauty and wonder of our universe. I understand that there are some unanswered questions concerning scientific theories, but I?m content to accept, ?We don?t know yet? rather than resort to the supernatural for explanations. It?s my opinion that this earthly life holds enough fascination and I?d rather concentrate on living it to its fullest in an ethical way than worry about appeasing some hidden sky being.

It's certainly an interesting topic and I look forward to reading more of the formal debate in the other post

Amerasu - You will find that everyone here tries to leave their pride behind, and use their minds. At least that is what I have found in the last couple of weeks.

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WebShaman,

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Then when did the 'revolt' in Heaven start? I always thought that that was before Adam and Eve...after all, the 'serpent' in the Garden is supposed to be Satan, right? So that 'war' must have occured before Mankind was created...

Or is the Serpent someone/something else?

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There is no specific time or date linked to references to this. In fact, there really aren't a lot of references to it. I could look into all the references we do have if you like. Either way, I agree that the revolt occurred prior to the garden. And, yes, the serpent represents Satan. Yup, yup, yup. When I said that sin had not entered the world until Eve decided to follow the serpent's lies, I meant *this* world. I didn't mean to say that any rebelion had never pre-existed the Garden of Eden. Is that what you were asking?

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Well, sort of. I had always thought that it must have occured before Adam and Eve...but after Genesis...thus, strange is the reference to original sin...

Strange is, that not much is really said about it...certainly not in the Old Testament...

One would think that there would be a major chapter devoted to it...but there isn't....

So anything you have on the subject would be interesting to me...