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What is love?
Simple enough: value reflection.
I guess a metaphor would be looking in a mirror.

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well according to Fat Joe(the rapper), love is defined as the following "It should be about us; it should be about trusting" my thoughts on that are...us? of course it should be about us(the couple supposedly in love.) its like, duh! trusting? absolutley.

my Bible concordance defines love as "compassion, devotion"

1 corinthians 13:4 says this about love:

"love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly, it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wring suffered."

so there you have it. you may or may not believe the Bible, but even those who dont believe the theological aspects of it still mantain it is an excellent book of wisdom.

Actually, InI, you are agreeing with me, but in a different context. Let's see...
Sincerity - give it and it is reflected back.
Trust - give it and it is reflected back.
Understanding - give it and it is reflected back.

In this way, you are pushing each other to new levels.
That is, evolving as oppossed to stagnating.

I would say "give and take", but that's kind of poor way of putting it. That phrase can work, but it's also an easy phrase to take out of context.

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Love? Here is my definition:

Love is the sharing of self and the recreation of self that comes from the act and the effects of that sharing. I believe that we define ourselves by who, what, and how we love.

InI,

Be careful not to let this girl make you crazy. I see lots of guys (I'm assuming you are a guy) who get really undone when the girl they loved doesn't turn out to be what they expected, and it kind of ruins them for a while. Try not to let that happen, and if you don't feel like you can get over this, you may want to be single for a little while.

As for what others think of as love, I work with lots of guys who treat their wives and girlfriends like a burden, but they date them and then get married because, in their own words, "well, we've been dating for a while..." It's like the girls have this goal to marry somebody, anybody, and the guys get married after the girls wear them out, because they are too insecure to just find someone else or not date. It seems really unhealthy to me, but this is what lots of people call "love"; coercing someone into a relationship that neither of you want. Like you say, they treat themselves as products, products that have a specific function and must perform that function. The fact that you are not thinking this way really gives you an edge.

As for love, it's hard to define, because it works differently for everyone. I am in the best relationship of my life right now, 3 years next weekend, and I love every day of it. To me, love is not trying to be cool, not trying to be an I instead of a we. I don't mean that you should lose your identity and become part of a couple instead of an individual, but that if you truly love each other, it's for who you are. Therefore, there's no need to give up your identity, and it's not seen as a loss to give your time to your girlfriend. The right person is the one that loves you just as you are, and that you love just as she is.

Of course, that's just what has worked for me, but it seems like a good way to do things.

to love someone is to become vulnerable to them--to open your self to feel their feelings--their pain and frustration, their joy and happiness

to be loved is different
you may be totally unaware of that love, but never-the-less, that person is open and vulnerable to you--influenced by the things you do and say--your feelings

when two people love each other, it can be a beautiful thing, in spite of the perils and pitfalls--the heartaches. or it could be a tragedy, because of things we don't know, or don't understand.

the depth of your love cannot and should not be measured by reciprocation


p.s. cheer up ini--love is where you find it




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Parenthood, how to grow children? Must they have limits set very clearly,
to the extent of slapping them on occasions, or never a single gesture or physical punishment?

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I don't know that physical violence really needs to come into it for someone to have a strict upbringing. But I myself grew up getting popped on the butt when I deserved it, and I don't think it was wrong. But in addition to that, there were expectations my family had for me, to perform at school, to help out at home. To not have a wild social life. My parents did not put these expectations on my little sister at all. They did a lot of stuff for her. As a result, I am now very independent and self-reliant, and she has no clue how to take care of herself. When I was younger, I kind of resented that she was treated differently from me. Now, I know I got the better end of the deal.

So the best way to raise a kid is whatever way will teach them to be mature adults.

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After 47 years of lifes unpredictable experiences, I believe God is Love. If we really love ourself then being created in the Image of the creator we will love others with the same unconditional love God has for us, And in doing so we fulfill all the requirements of Gods perfect laws which are principles in practice not the do's and don'ts of traditional religion. Jesus was anti religious and taught principles which many practice without even knowing it. For instance if you truely love others as yourself then you would never rob them or murder them or covet their possesions or any of the other ten commandments that are conveyed through traditional religious and legalistic forms I have come to despise. I have come to the real I zation that Love fulfills all of Gods requirements for a happy long and stress free life resting in the assurance no matter what your experiencing in life , that Gods love for you is not based on you loving him because His perfect love has no conditions laid upon it for God IS love and Love is God. Depending on love from others will always let you down...unless its your mother in most cases.. but we all usually place conditions on our love for others. And when those conditions are not met, we sometimes reject or hurt others for our own selfish reasons. Therefor I can only blame myself when I am let down by others as I have found unconditional love is much better then expectations. If I have no expectations of those I interact with ....I can never be let down now can I....Jump into the sea of Gods love by simply accepting it , and realize when you do you may reflect some of His Divine love through you and change the life of not only you but everyone around you. The last time I stepped into a church building was to be married, other then that ..over 25 years ago. I am more interested in knowing my Creator then playing church and trying to "Look Good" . No man is good only God is good and only God is Love.

HEY!!..... Its says neurotic under my username..... How did they get ahold of my medical records here?....Hehe :-)

Hmmm...the definition of Love. That's a deep topic, yes. I think that Man has been trying to nail that one down since the beginning...with little success, IMHO.

So, out comes the individual definitions - mine are simple, really. There are diferent levels, if you will, of Love in my book.

1. Infatuation (school girl's love, if you will). Basically, a feeling of, well, being high...a crush, attached to a person. Never lasts that long, in my experience.

2. Actual feeling of being in Love - a chemical reaction in the body, brought about by the intermingling with someone else. This tends to last longer - 1-2 years, sometimes a bit longer, often shorter.

3. Real Love - this is difficult to describe, actually. It's something that takes time, in my experience, and either comes after being in Love, or not at all. It is a deep, melting (or joining is perhaps a better term) of the partners into one another...yet allowing individuality. Mutual respect, communication (on some level) and genuine affection for one another...

Now, given that, one does need to realize that Love (in any form) rarely lasts forever - though in my experience, the third form has the best chances of 'braving' the tests of Time.

In your case Ini, I get the feeling that you are over-analysing your previous relationship too much - maybe it is how you are set to deal with such experiences, I'm not sure. Point is, it is over. Of course, that leaves all sorts of questions, mostly unanswered. The whys and Hows but in the end, the reality is, that it is over and done with. Just like falling off a bike, time to dust your self off, and get back on it. Yes, certainly there are things that you can analyse - within yourself. Your role, your feelings, yourself. Trying to put yourself in someone elses head is rarely productive, especially when there is so much emotional baggage, like there seems to be here.

And that brings us to my main point - after reading (and following your breakup), I do tend to think that you are not mentally ready for a new relationship, not yet, anyway. Emotional baggage...yes, that needs to be squared away, and dissolved. In essence, your analysing of your 'ex' is that, IMHO. The real question is, why are you doing it? Why is it important for you to do it? When you get to the point, that you no longer feel the need (or even think about it) for it, then you are most probably stable enough for a fresh, new relationship. This is just my 'read' on what you have posted here...

It's a cycle, when ever we are traumatized (and breaking up with a loved one is trauma) - one goes through phases...when you get to the phase of acceptance, then you are ready to move on.

I tend to view things like this as a learning experience, for myself, something that Life is trying to teach me. Learn from it, yes, especially about yourself, and how you work internally. Learn, and grow. The other path is much more destructive...and only goes in circles, for the lesson is then not learned. One will face it again, until one learns. Life is pitiless in that regards, it seems.

In end effect, attempt to take a bigger view...it is hard to say, what Life will be like years from now...all the things that could, and will, happen. Whatever reason(s) your 'Ex' had, are dust...it really makes no difference, to know. You certainly had things that filled your time (and life) before your previous relationship...I'm sure that you could dust some of them off, and start to enjoy them again. Get your life back, learn to stand on your own two feet again, enjoy life in it's fullest. The more you know about yourself, the better your chances are, to experience the Third definition of Love, IMHO.

I wish you luck on your journey.

Good response - WS... Yes, find yourself first... Do not seek to define yourself in other people. Once you are comfortable with who you are, the right people will be drawn to you. It's hard to say how that happens. It just does.

I thought I was in love with someone once. We were all prepared to get married and spend the rest of our lives together. I would never in my life have thought that "love at first sight" was a real thing. Until it smacked me in the face... Even so, I still had a choice to make. I still had to decide where I felt I needed to be. In the end, I feel I made the right decision. And that intense initial feeling, that spiraling, drunken feeling, has at last settled down into something more solid, and (I hope) lasting. But I had to decide for myself what it was I was feeling.

Being "in love" is not the same as loving someone. The intense emotions at the beginning of a relationship do not really last beyond the first few years. But as you grow together, you become a part of each other, while still remaining yourself. Sex is not all that love is about. A relationship built only on sex will not stand the test of time. After the thrill of sex is gone, can you still live with that person on a daily basis? Can you have a deep conversation with them about your hopes and dreams? Can they reveal themselves to you, in that same, vulnerable manner? Can you be honest with that person, and trust them to be honest with you? If you're looking for something lasting and worthwhile, ask yourself those questions.

But take the time, to understand yourself first. You'll be better for it later.

I think that these days, people get married much too quickly. They assume that, if they don't like it, they can always get a divorce. That's not what marriage is about. Marriage is a lifelong commitment to one person. If you don't think you're going to be able to live with that person for the rest of your life, do yourself and them a favor, and don't even pretend. There's no harm in living with someone for as long as it takes you to know. Divorce is expensive, as well as emotionally damaging. It's not ever easy. Even a break up after a long relationship without marriage, can destroy you emotionally. Feelings are fragile - have care for yours as well as the other persons.

As for parenting - well, we have a tendency to parent our children in the manner in which we were parented. Kind of scary to think about if you didn't have the best upbringing... Children need boundaries. They need rules. You have to learn to follow simple rules if you want to be a member of this society. There's much more complicated rules out there than "Be home by dark" and "don't hit your sister". They teach us to control ourselves. I don't think that violence is ever the answer. Yeah - I got swatted a number of times when I was young. But I don't think it got the point across about the rule I broke. I just learned not to get caught, because if I did, I'd get spanked. Didn't take long either!

Children learn by imitation. It's scary how quickly, and how well they learn to imitate our behavior. Show your children respect and affection, and you will be surprised how well they will turn out. Just because they don't know now, is no reason to treat them as if they should know better... Until they do know better, of course. That's where the limits and restrictions come into play.

Sounds like you're doing a lot of thinking... thinking's good - but living is better. One of the worst things you can do is over-analyze a relationship. Think too hard about it, and it'll slip through your fingers. Live in the now. Planning is good - but don't be afraid to be in the moment.

Bodhi - Cell 617

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Hmmm...interesting reply. I'm not quite sure what, exactly, to make of it. If you got the opinion that I was patronising, then I apologize...that was namely not (and never is) my intent. Instead, I was just relating some of my experiences, and thoughts. I do this, because I don't feel that I have the right to speak about something that I have personally not gone through...and tend to use my own personal experiences as a reference. After all, we are all individuals, what is ones experience (and opinion) is not necessarily valid for another. In that, I didn't wish to give you the impression, of either being patronising, condescending, or passing judgement.

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Why do I want to know? Imagine you commit yourself, day and night, to a specialisation,
to a work, a dream, a goal, imagine you finally get back to uni after years of effort to get back there.
Imagine that from that very moment, the "fear of being stuck with an ubberly occupied man"
starts to cause problems in your relationship: imagine how many things it puts in question as far as your choices are concerned.

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This I can imagine, Ini...as I have been through this, many times...but my experiences have taught me, that the need to know is not necessarily a healthy one...or helpful. For me, it was an attempt to 'linger'...to dwell on an event that was past. What exactly it is for you, well, I guess you explained it. Again, no judgement to pass here.

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Pardon my french, I don't believe in that idiot shit, "don't rush things": to an extent, you got to provoke situations,you can't just sit here and wait.

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?? Ummm...I don't believe I said anything about waiting...or not rushing things. In fact, I said this

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Just like falling off a bike, time to dust your self off, and get back on it.

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What I did say, was concerning Emotional baggage...and as you have explained, I think that you have indeed gotten at least back on your feet...I'm sure that your life is going forwards, from what you have said. Again, no judgement here...

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Getting to know myself... don't think you're patronising a little on this one?
I DO know myself... If I didn't exactly know my limits, I'd be off by now, for the mental strength it takes
to be 100% independent and get back to uni is something you should consider for a second: just try to clean your flat
while studying by night for a degree in engineering while cooking while... staying in touch with reality and maintaining relationships.

Try and come back patronising... if you dare.

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Whew! Somehow, I think maybe things went somehow astray, here. Getting to know oneself, is a never-ending story, and endeavor (at least it is for me). Time (and experiences) change a person...and especially tramautic events. However, if you feel that you know yourself well enough, then good for you. I don't quite understand how you got the feeling that I was being patronising...and I certainly do not wish that what I am now posting will be taken that way. Why would I want to 'dare' to patronise? In what way would that be helpful, or insightful? I just figured that maybe relating some personal experience, and knowledge, might be helpful, or insightful. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for waiting for that deep feeling of Love (the third one)...well, I know of no way to 'force' this to come quicker...in fact, I'm not aware of any method that can do this. Maybe you can help me here...what would you suggest (or are suggesting) ? I waited for over 35 years, before finally obtaining this. IMHO, it was worth the wait. That doesn't mean that I didn't try to find it...of course, I tried various methods to do just that. For me, they never really worked. I just had to wait.

The tone in your...reply, is a curious one. I'm not sure of how I should view it. Maybe you can explain to me exactly what you mean...are you maybe reacting to something that you think I meant to be partonising? Did I somehow hit a raw nerve? Or maybe you are just having a bad day? I'm a bit confused, here.

Be that as it may, I still wish you luck on your journey.

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Ok...

I still am having problems following the reason for this

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This if off. Silly, pretentious, a judgement. Got on my nerves and it is normal imho.
Regardless of the situation... besides, as I said, my feelings are now gently moving to another person,
but I want to know: I am not hoping to get her back, but I want to know what went wrong.

Get off of your high horse daddy Liotta, I had a Dad already.

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in reply, as you stated, to what I posted

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And that brings us to my main point - after reading (and following your breakup), I do tend to think that you are not mentally ready for a new relationship

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Now, Ini, I said I do tend to think - tend is the cue word here - it is not an absolute, but rather where my thoughts were leading me. Again, you insinuate that I am on a 'high horse' (i.e. either preaching, or condescending, or something along these lines). I am surprised that you feel this way, and had hoped to avoid giving you (or anyone) that impression. Again, this is not my intent. Naming me Liotta, and including the 'I already had a Dad' stuff, is just...*sigh* Whatever.

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You pretty much answered my fear of posting "deeper" stuff around here, by showing your prejudices,

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How so? Because I shared my experiences and opinions, thoughts, insights with you? I'm having trouble following what you mean, here, Ini.

I'm also having trouble figuring out why you feel (or seem to, anyway) that I am...somehow being condescending to you. Your reaction has me puzzled.

But this part is really the core issue, I think -

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What goes wrong in a person's mind when WEEKS AFTER THE BREAKUP SHE STILL IS CLAIMING SHE LOVES YOU
AND DOESN'T MANAGE TO DO ANYTHING WITH ANY OTHER MALE, WHILE KISSING YOU, SAYING YOU ARE TOO CUTE,
CARESSING YOU, ETC..
WHAT GOES WRONG IN THE HEAD OF A PERSON WHEN SHE SUDDENLY, WITHOUT EVER HAVING DISCUSSED
A PROBLEM, VOMITS A LIST OF THEM BUT INSTEAD OF GIVING YOU A CHANCE TO CORRECT THEM,
ESCAPES?
WHAT GOES WRONG IN THE HEAD OF A PERSON WHEN YOU CALL HER WEEKS AFTER, SHE INSULTS YOU,
YOU HANG UP... then SHE CALLS BACK, SAYING SHE HAD TO PLAY IT THIS WAY BECAUSE HER PARENTS
WERE AROUND, BUT THAT SHE REACTS LIKE THIS BECAUSE SHE MISSES YOU AND LOVES YOU?

Understood, fucking hell?
I think I got dumped more by her entourage than her, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS NEXT TO COME IN MY LIFE,
and that will be another person I am after currently, regardless of getting back to her or not, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT/WHO/WHY THE FUCK?

Ain't got a right to that?

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As I suggested earlier, I feel that it really is unimportant to know. It has nothing to do with whether you have a right to know, or not. What will it change, to know? Nothing. Even assuming that the person in question will (or even can) answer this honestly, will it make a difference? It may ease your mind, but it will not change things. This is, of course, just my opinion Ini, and my experience. Maybe for you, it is imperative to know. But without using means to force it out, it is improbable that the person in question will (if able) actually do so. For they would have already done that, IMHO.

I know that these words probably don't make a difference in what you are going through. These type of things have to be 'lived through'...i.e. experienced first hand. Irregardless of what I might say, it really won't change things for you, most probably. And my experiences and opinions most probably don't apply to you - they mostly apply to myself.

Irregardless, I still wish you luck, on your journey.

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I scanned most of this thread quite honestly cuz I'm pressed for time, but I did read your initial post InI.
What is love? That's a really difficult question. I think it means different things to different people. I think the key is finding the one who defines it as you and likewise. You spoke of compromise in enduring relationships. I don't think that's a fair assessment. It's more about understanding - learning. I'm thinking of compromise as usually doing something you don't really want to do but meeting halfway. Growing together, that's what I see. You get past all the lust and horniness and deep in there you either have a best friend that speaks what you're thinking before you can spit out the words or you've got someone who resents you for time wasted... That being said, I've watched many friends and loved ones search for love. I think a major major problem is that you (collectively, not you meaning you) have to love yourself. It sounds corny as hell, but I mean this wholeheartedly. If you don't have your own shit sorted out, getting into a relationship (even if you find the perfect person) is not a good idea. You won't be able to share love. IMO.

Hmm...btw, nice post, Jeni. I agree, one does have to love oneself.

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My ability to evolve according to that learning: I've been left with "nothingness" and nonsense instead,
like I had no real "fault" but had failed nonetheless.

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I would say, that the answer can be found inside of yourself, Ini. If you are truly honest with yourself, then you will know the answer that you need to evolve further.

Fault is a curious thing, and IMHO, mainly an illusion. There are times, when I have been responsible for things that have happened to me, yes. I suppose one could say, that it was my fault. Point is, IMHO it always is - because I am responsible for myself. Therefore, the reactions (and actions) that I have and take, are within my responsibility. What is done to me may (or may not) be my 'fault'...i.e. it could be that I was responsible for causing it...or not. I believe we all have negative and positive things within us...I don't view them as faults, though. I mostly equate fault with mistake, I guess, or something wrong. Though I do believe that mistakes can be made, as long as one learns from it, then it wasn't in that sense a mistake, but a learning experience. A mistake, IMHO, is when one hasn't learned from a previous learning experience, and so does it again. Then I am indeed responsible for what happens.

As for 'you are left with nothingness and nonsense', I tend to see that differently - though in the moment it is, perhaps, hard to see this - it's a learning experience, nothing more, nothing less. Most people go through it, one way or another...love lost. In fact, you are not left with nothing...you are left with first the fact that you have loved, and were loved. That's a huge gift, IMHO. And something precious, in my book. You have also grown, because of your experience...and learned more things about this thing we call life. About joy, and sorrow, laughter, and pain. Having, and loss. How one deals with these experiences, and emotions, is deciding on what is to come, IMHO. In end effect, you are maturing...such is life. Sometimes it's a pleasant experience, at others, horrible beyond belief.

IMHO, it is deciding, on what we choose to learn and take from such experiences - there is the positive, and the negative. One can learn, and grow - or one can dwell, fester, and remain in place. In all this, one has not only the choice, but the control to decide, which path one takes. This is my belief.

As for whether or not you 'failed'...I think you are being overly hard on yourself, in that regards. One can do everything possible, and still not acheive the desired goal - this does not necessarily mean that one has failed. Maybe the goal was impossible to acheive. Maybe the desired goal turned out not to be desirable after all. But mostly, especially when a goal involves more than one person, it can be, that the goal is just not reachable...for many different reasons, most out of ones control.

Sometimes, losing makes us stronger...and is often a learning experience that helps one grow, though often painful.

These are my opinions and beliefs. I don't know how much applies (if any) to you, and your circumstances. As I said earlier, we are all individuals, and we all lead unique lives - some things may apply from one to another, others will not. In any event, I hope that I have at the least been helpful, for that was my intent.

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What is love in your opinions, and did you find it?

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You asked for opinions, no? I made no statements to your particular situation. I am not trying to help you heal and move on. You have to do that for yourself.
OPINION. Yes, that was my point. I should know better then to give you my opinion by now. At least I learned something.

I don't understand your angry response to the replies to your post. I can see you obviously are feeling hurt and confused by this ex-girlie of yours, but you did ask:

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that's why I am asking the crowd in this place
rather than anywhere else: I count on you to provide valuable experiences,
What is love in your opinions, and did you find it?

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We were responding to that question. In addition to perhaps some direct responses to your following posts concerning the way you're being treated by this girl.

Maybe we were out of line in addressing those issues, it's hard to say, given the disjointed nature of your replies... but I didn't see anyone attempting to patronize; myself included. I know a lot of people who jump from one relationship to another simply because they don't like being alone - I've done it myself. In my experience, it doesn't give you (general) a chance to evaluate the lessons of the previous relationship to jump full steam into a new person. You (general) don't learn anything about yourself or other people there. The intent was perhaps only to note that it's important to take stock of yourself periodically throughout your life... People change.

You asked for opinions. You asked for stories. Perhaps you didn't ask for advice, but you acted like you needed a little. You can't fault any of us for caring enough to try to provide what our experiences have taught us. And even though our responses were perhaps not to your liking in this particular case, we'd like to consider ourselves friends here... maybe? You should be able to talk to your friends, if you need to. Besides, no one said you had to take any advice offered here... Sometimes it's just helpful to get things off your chest.

Based on what I'm reading, it sounds like this ex-girl is really confused. It sounds like she's more concerned about what her friends think, rather than being true to her heart. It doesn't look as if you've done anything wrong in the relationship (just from the picture presented here...) - but maybe it's a good thing that you step back and let her figure herself out. Maybe she's the one who needs to do the knowing of herself.

Who knows what will happen in the future - for you or her? There's always a possibility you guys could give it another chance someday down the road. But don't let her current confusion drag you down. Boundaries in adult relationships are just as useful as boundaries in parent/child relationships.

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As for the parenting question: the fact that you are aware that your parents had it wrong is a good indication that you will likely not treat your kids in the same way (when you get around to having them). I only caution that those behaviors get ingrained in our subconscious, so we must always monitor ourselves to prevent becoming our parents in the end anyway. I've noticed my oldest sister doing a fairly good job of avoiding that with her kids... but I also know she's constantly aware of the possibility...

Bodhi - Cell 617

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Well, I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful on this one, Ini. Like I said before, some things just have to be experienced, and lived indivdually.

Good luck with all you have going.

From Jack Handey:

"Love is not something you can put chains on and throw into a lake. That's called Houdini. Love is liking someone a lot."

:::11oh1:::

ini:
i was once in a break-up like yours seems to be. it's almost scary how similar. the why?--i don't know really-i love you, but--confused answers--moving on--still seeing each other on occassion--the spark is still there--we could maybe get it back together but, no, we can't--mixed signals--passion
moving on--(other people, marriage, children, life)
thirty years later--we still see each other on rare occassions--the spark is still there--the passion there is no words for--and it still feels the same--we could but, no, we can't--shouldn't
and if you asked me, i still couldn't tell you why

ed: hogwash

[This message has been edited by outcydr (edited 06-17-2003).]

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

"Pride comes before a fall", someone said somewhere...


..xpi...

[This message has been edited by Xpirex (edited 06-27-2003).]

"All's well that ends well", someone else said somewhere else...

...and yes, there is a dog. In fact, there are many dogs; everyone i know, AND his cousin has one!

*note to xpirex: your attitude has xpired please report to room 1220 for a new one

[This message has been edited by outcydr (edited 06-28-2003).]

Oh no... what have I done now? ok how do I get there...? can you open my cell door then?

lol
i don't have a key, but i think i know a way out

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.