Preserved Topic: Tutorials, anyone? (Page 1 of 1)

I'm currently in the process of creating a compilation of Photoshop tutorials. Having bought the binder, paper, ink etc, I'm stuck with a very limited selection of online tutorials!

I plan to print as many different ones out so that I can get to them easily after printing them, as I'm sure many others have done in the past. Does anyone know of any good sites with some neat-oh tutorials? I've already gotten all of DocOzone's stuff. (heck, they were the first ones I printed!! <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Thanks ya'll...

--Stevo--

"When they tell you not to feed the bears, man lemme tell you... you best not feed the bears."

Stevo:
I dont know if anyone else has a problem with this, but you might want to get the authors permission before you do this. If my site was up now I dont know how I would feel if I had people printing out my tutorials and lugging them around places. If your going to be on Photoshop anyway, your going to be on a computer and just about all modern computers have internet access so why not just go online to the websites and use them there? Just my thoughts. I simple yes/no email should be fine, just look at there contacts page.

Jestah
Jestah91@aol.com
ICQ - 77252449

Of course! The first place I looked was Yahoo!'s directory, and I had sent emails to 5 of the 6 pages that I had printed out, asking them if it was cool with them that I do it. Of the 5 emails I sent, I got 1 non-sent return (no such email etc) and no other replies. The other page, well, I was sortta in a hurry, so I'll get to that later today.

I'm sure others, such as Doc, wouldn't have a problem with it as long as I don't try and sell it or claim ownership of them in any way. However, Doc, should you have a problem with it, by all means let me know and the printed versions shall be destroyed.

The reason I am doing this is so that I can have a nice collection of information that is easily accessable. I'm not rich, and own only 1 phone line. So my on-line stuff usually happens at work or at night, to make sure other people can call. But I get on Photoshop for hours on end when I get home. See?

It's not a big deal, really. I'm sure no one will have a problem with it as long as I use it for my purposes only, and not to turn around and sell the book. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

--Stevo--

P.S. I can see where you're coming from, though, as a well written tutorial is sortta like a piece of art. It's yours. No one else's. I was just trying to see if I could ease my way into playin' with the big boys. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/biggrin.gif"> <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/biggrin.gif">

"When they tell you not to feed the bears, man lemme tell you... you best not feed the bears."

[This message has been edited by Stevo (edited 01-08-2000).]

Here's my take on the subject. Printing things out for reference is a common practice. As long as you use it only for personal purposes and don't share it around with tons of folks how is anyone to know anyway? The hard-copy is much easier to reference than the on-screen version when you are trying to follow steps. Just don't mention it to anyone on-line or otherwise and you'll be fine.

Stevo

Firstly welcome... <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Tutorials....hmmmmmmm....
Why are they posted online for everyone to see?
Why are you offered the PSD to download?
Why do people go to so much trouble to write them?
Why in some cases are you positively promted to print out their work or offered (in a few rare cases) the option of downloading the Zip of their entire tut section (or site)?

In ALL cases, the copyright applied to the artists work is applicable where commercial use is concerned...if you're going to gain from it, then PAY for it. However, if (as in the case of Doc O) you are using his works for personal use to learn from, that becomes a different question, Doc O will advocate you do so, just don't forget where they came from.

One thing that is blatantly evident from all this, is that if you learn and create from the efforts of another, then the provider has achieved all he/she set out to do.
IMHO, there is nothing more complimentary than to look around and see the efforts of someone new having learnt his trade as a result of the Altruism of another.
The web is alive with good stuff that has a Pro's signature within the end result.

Stevo, you keep on printing, maybe some day you too can give back what others have given you... <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

I absolutely agree. And, in fact, upon further inspections, most of the stuff I've printed out has, at the bottom of the page, something to the effect of 'You may print this out for personal uses... etc etc etc'.

Now, should I be printing these tutorials out to rewrite, make new example graphics and just slap it on the net, that would both be dishonest and stealing, in my opinion. This book of mine is stricly for personal use, and credit will given where due should I ever use them on the web (i.e. making a webpage layout).

Thanks for the support, Phil! <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Jiblet, you've got a good point. I could have just as easily printed it all out and not said a word to anyone, and no one would have been the wiser. There's no way to tell that someone has printed your pages/tutorials out, I just wanted a lil bit of help on finding them. You raise some good point, my friend.

--Stevo--

"When they tell you not to feed the bears, man lemme tell you... you best not feed the bears."

Ok, now back to the real subject... where are the tutorials???? <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

I could use some more myself.

Ok Einardo, here you go...
http://www.adobe.com/web/columns/zeldman/20000522/main.html

http://www.iservice.at/isset.html

http://phoenixart.com/tutorials/

http://www.nebulus.org/ps_tut.shtml

http://www.savvy.net/photoshop.htm

http://www.stewartstudio.com/

http://www.rainworld.com/oe_99/forge/ps_tut/

...that should keep you guys out of mischief for a while... <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

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....'does a Bear S*** in the woods'.....




[This message has been edited by Phil (edited 01-08-2000).]

Thanx <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Phil: Just an addendum to your post...copyright is not applicable solely where commercial use is concerned. Copyright applies across the board. (There is a myth about it being OK to copy things as long as you don't gain money from it. It is untrue.)

Regardless, what Stevo is doing would fall under fair use. He is making a hard copy of the information for easier use and reference. Permission would not be necessary as long as he did not intend to redistribute the work (for money or not). However, it is an admirable courtesy, and one which is usually appreciated, to contact the authors and let them know what he's doing, both to make sure it is OK and to let them know that what they have provided is helping others.

I, myself, save a copy of many tutorials because I can't tell you how many times I've bookmarked one and come back later when I needed it just to find it gone without a trace.

Absolutely. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"> Thanks for the support, and for confirming that what I'm doing is okay... I'll still be sending some requesting emails out, as it's only proper and appropriate to do so. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"> <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

--Stevo--

"When they tell you not to feed the bears, man lemme tell you... you best not feed the bears."

I have about 600 tutorials amassed over the last year or so..they are now burnt into a cd, with one giant index file linking them all.
As time goes on i find myself referring to them less and less but they will never be deleted.......my bible ....... never had to buy a book ..never needed to.I have all the original DBM tuts and the formally known as Andy Arts tuts ......along with countless other gems that have sadly bitten the dust.
copyright? .....it's not an issue unless of course i intended to make a profit from them and/or claim ownership.
On the subject of tuts, there seems to be a trend developing (hopefully I'm wrong on that count) that prevents you from saving the page to your hard drive, ridiculous really.....if i really want the tut ..i just save the source and images , and reconstruct them in dreamweaver..is this professional caution or just arrogant behaviour?
Luckily a few good artists like the Doc , Zip em up for convenient download, makes total sense ....imho....... <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">
While I'm on the subject ....boy are there some shite tutorials out there..I have many, and the pattern is always the same

1. Cool effect
2. Do this
3. Do that
4. then mess with it till you get the effect that i got (but you never will hahahah)

or.......

here's the finished effect.....
and here's the tutorial "without" the all essential steps to create the aforementioned effect :P

Now ..tutorial, or arrogant little spotty faced git ?

HaHaHa...that sounds like me r@m!! my tutorials directory on my PC, which contains various tutorials on photoshop, Lightwave 3D, 3D Studio MAX, modelling (real life), etc, comes to 983 meg.




What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine to - First Rule of a Dictatorship

r@m - sound like a cool plan. Wish I had the time to amass something like that. But remember, even if you were to distribute that CD for *free* it is a copyright violation. Profit has nothing to do with it. I just want to make sure everyone understands that--you don't have to sell something to be violating the copyright, neither do you have to claim it as your own. Only the copyright owner has the right to publish a work.
Again, the idea that one has to sell a copyrighted work to break the law is a myth. For example, if I scanned a page of a magazine and posted it on my Web site for people to read, that would be a copyright violation. I make no money, I ask for no money and I do not claim it as my own. But I am breaking the law. (However, If I were doing something along the lines of using the scanned item solely to evaluate the layout of said item in a work pertaining to publishing, that would fall under fair use. But fair use is kind of a fuzzy area.)

I just want to make sure everyone's informed on this subject so they don't get burned. Just remember, profit is not an issue when it comes to copyright.

So, r@m, how's about sending me a copy of that CD to critique the layout used in the tutorials?

- Dan -

Haha... hmm, not a bad idea.

Anybody got any really expensive software they'd like to evaluate with me?

Jestah, I don't quite understand your objection to printing out tutorials-- if you don't want people to have them, why would you bother to create them? Isn't *teaching* the whole point of a tutorial? What on earth would be the purpose of making the learning process more difficult than necessary?

I know that I would find it both incredibly inconvenient and completely counterproductive to have to switch back and forth between an onscreen tutorial and the graphics app in which I was working. All the more so because the unhappy fact of the matter seems to be that many of those who create the most amazing graphics work-- and are willing to share their techniques with others-- are not always quite so gifted when it comes to verbally expressing themselves.

Some (usually the most creative) seem simply unaware of the necessity of filling in the gaps-- and tend to leave quite a few. Then there are others, who appear to be severely challenged when it comes to employing language as a tool of communication. Over the last few years some incredible offerings have come from both camps, but it has not always been easy to follow the disjointed paths of their descriptive prose.

In a number of tutorials I've found it necessary to re-read several times every single step in order to understand just what the author meant. The effort has usually been justified, as however lacking may be the linguistic skills of the digital artist in question, his or her graphic effects have been well worth learning. In every instance I've found it essential to print out a copy of the instructions and and refer to them repeatedly while working through the tutorial. I can recall a number of cases in which, had a printed copy not been an option, I would have been forced to give up on the process long before finishing-- and that would have been a loss.

I, too, have written online tutorials, and have always made a point of creating additional text-only, printer-friendly, bandwidth-benign pages linked to the main tutorials for the express purpose of making it easier for those who desire printed instructions. Why would any tutorial author object to something like this?

If there's something I'm missing here, please explain it to me.

Best wishes,

Shoshanna

Well, you forgot to introduce yourself! Geez, you shouldn't half to make me look over at your number of posts like that..

Welcome to the Asylum Shoshanna!

- Dan -

awww....Dan never welcomed me...*sniff*

twItch^%

I didn't welcome a lot of people =P
Like.... you.. OH, and I think I 'forgot' to welcome Jestah, hehehe. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

- Dan -

People don't need to introduce themselves before they start discussing.

Apparently I didn't welcome Human Shield either =P

- Dan -

Dan welcomed me, and what a welcome too! I still owe you that fifty, huh? <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/biggrin.gif">

--Stevo--

Welcome!...no it isn't necessary, but whatever it's kinda polite to make other like minded people feel a part....
Intro's!...no not really necessary either, but once again, it's pretty cool to know a little bit about the guys you spend time parlying with, or are some of you a little shy.......

Go check out How Long.......Part 2...
http://www.ozones.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/000258.html

Hi Dan,

Thank you for your kind welcome. I hope you and everyone else here will forgive my unintended breach of protocol, and allow me to now remedy it by introducing myself.

My name is Shoshanna, which is a Hebrew word that translates as both "lily" and "rose". For the benefit of those who mistakenly understand this to be the somewhat similar-sounding word that identifies a tribe of Native Americans, let me clarify the matter by simply stating that I am a Jewess by birth, an atheist by upbringing, and a pagan by inclination and practice. That is quite enough for anyone.

Writing and photography are my primary professions. I've worked for newspapers, done public relations, publicity, advertising, and a number of political campaigns. I designed my first web sites in 1994, when the web was still very young and there wasn't much out there, and never cease to be amazed by the manner in which it continues to evolve. Over the last seven or eight years I've worked increasingly with computer graphics, and it was with a sigh of relief (and in anticipation of breathing pure air) that a couple of years ago I gave up my chemical darkroom in favor of the digital version.

The graphic apps with which I primarily work are Photoshop, Painter, Bryce, and Fireworks, and to a lesser extent Illustrator, PhotoPaint, and Right Hemisphere's Deep Paint (which has a long way to go). As is the case with many who labor in his field of endeavor, I have become enamored of the expanding technology, and find myself in a perpetual state of upgrading either hardware or software. It's undoubtedly a story with which most of you are all too familiar.

In my non-cyber related life I live in a rambling old house overlooking the ocean on the south coast of Oregon, enjoy the peculiarities of a little town whose outlandish quirkiness defies all reasonable expectations, and am very happily (one might even say militantly) childfree, but am a willing slave to my two darling kitties. My personal motto is "If I wanted to hear the pitter-patter of little feet, I'd put tap shoes on my cats."

I must say this forum is an interesting and somehow ironically appropriate place in which to find myself. As one who lives in an odd little village that can only be considered a mental hospital without walls, and taking into account the fact that several years ago I moved here (knowing absolutely nothing about the town) in order to recover from the total breakdown that resulted from the unspeakable malpractice of the sanctimonious, self-serving, sonofabitch who was my shrink-- and, regrettably, my next-door-neighbor-- and that my early web sites dealt with both the need for unity among psychiatric survivors and the threat posed by the power of psychiatry, I find the words "Welcome to the Asylum" oddly reassuring?

I think I'm going to like it here.

Best wishes,

Shoshanna

...From one who has 4 cats (but no tap shoes), lives 1km from the Ocean on the South coast of the UK, is married to a beautiful lady with the same birthright, with the patter of rather larger feet in the shape of a 16 year old daughter echoing in his ears and has been around this world of web creativity as many months as you have been years.....Welcome Shoshanna, have fun and enjoy... <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

[This message has been edited by Phil (edited 05-08-2000).]

I have to say, that's the best intro anyone (anyone) has ever givin to me.. Beutiful!
Anyways, its nice to have you here, post some of your work, it'd be nice to see <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

I'm gonan go eat now <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

- Dan -

Welcome! And you should feel pretty good about yourself, too. Hell, when I introduced myself I was called a no-balls ninnie... welcome to the forum!!! <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

--Stevo--

Hee hee! Shoshanna, you should fit in just *great* around here! Like you, Malin and I have also made a "no kids" life decision, but we do have two kitties, each with an interesting collection of quirks and eccentricities, they make us happy, and fit into our lives all too well.

When branding this place the "Asylum", I remember a work of fiction that introduced a hermit/philosopher living in southern California. (Something by Tom Robbins, perhaps?) He lived in a walled enclosure, with all the trees and grass on the inside, and paintings and wallpaper on the outside. As you exited the enclosure, you were greeted with a sign stating "Welcome to the Asylum". Interesting thought, interesting perspective, I stole it without a second thought. :-)

Hmm, what was this thread supposed to be about anyway? Several instances of topic drift, I noticed. FWIW, I recently added a line to my copyright on the new Hands-On tutorial pages authorizing folks to print out the tutes for personal use, it makes sense to me. I like paper, it's useful stuff!

Your pal, -doc-

Heh Doc thats from Douglas Adams' "Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy", book 4 ("So long and thanks for all the fish"). They went there to find out the truth about the dolphins being aliens who left earth before its destruction.

Never Pet a Burning Dog
Rend

Hey Shosh, welcome to the Asylum <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"> Another jewish-atheist here hailing from Israel. My grannys' name is Shoshanna too. I bet you will enjoy this place, the people are cool and even though some like to criticise work in harsh terms, its all fun <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"> Waiting to see some of your work and hear yer piece of mind...
I have 2 ferrets (which one guy named 2winspapa would like to eat) who are my babies. I bet you are very attached to your cats too. Would love to see pics of them!
anyway, enjoy.

Never Pet a Burning Dog
Rend

Shoshanna:
Welcome to the Asylum.

It's not that I'm against having people print out tutorials. I know there written for people to follow and learn. If printing them out makes it easier for you then go for it, but (1.) I honestly dont see the point in doing so and (2.) I think its only right that since the person went to the trouble of writting the tut you should at least e-mail them and let them know what your doing with it.

The reason I dont see the actual point is because if your printing it out, it's in front of you anyway, why not read it from your monitor. Thats sort of like finding an article online and printing it out to read. Its there in front of you, why not follow it, book mark the site, and if you need help later then open up the site. You talked about having text only tuts for better printing. I know a lot of times I need pictures to know what exactly people are talking about. The best artists dont always make the best writers in my opinion. Most of all, I really dont see the signifigance of carrying around tutorials if you've already learned them. Maybe not everyones like this, but I think once you do a tutorial right once, maybe twice, you've got it down.

If you were the author of a nice tut, wouldn't you want to know what was being done with it? Im not saying I would ever say no to printing out my tutorial, I just thinking firing the author a two second e-mail is just the right thing to do. No author in the world is going to say no to that request.

I guess it all just comes down to personal preferance. Some people find it easier to read things off of paper. Some prefer reading it off of a monitor...

Thanks,

Jestah
Jestah91@aol.com
ICQ - 77252449

Some people have to pay by the minute for internet connection...
Perhaps some people also have to pay by the minute for reading privilages? I dunno. But its probably cheaper.

- Dan -

either way, there's the sites stored on the bots on EFnet.

whee.
http://www.cooltype.com http://www.eyeball-design.com http://www.designsbymark.com http://imageoasis.lsa.net http://www.wacom.com/tipsandcoolart/tipsarchive.html http://www.artsource.org http://www.screamdesign.com http://www.planetphotoshop.com http://www.ultimate-photoshop.com http://www.thinkdan.com http://www.phong.com