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I just wanted to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving. I know not everyone here celebrates the holiday, but I share the sentiment all the same.

I'm going through a lot of s**t right now and the only thing I've got going is the one holiday I don't hate. Whatever you eat tomorrow, choke down a bite for me, eh?

Gobble, gobble!

And the same sentiment to you. I hope things work out for you. At least I hope you enjoy a nice meal.

...swept out through the cracks beneath the door...

yeah, man!

Happy Turkey Massacre Day!!

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Hey guys, in france, no turkey vandetta day! <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/wink.gif">

Héhé!
Hey Vogon, this morning, while my Oracle8i teacher was talking about lock, i was thinking about you, having your coffee in your little kitchen, and thougt that I was really an happy man !
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Happy thanksgiving!

OMERA ~ romantic dreamer ~

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

yummmmmmmm I can't wait to eat! There is nothing like the smell of Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner cooking <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">


Wes ........life has twist and turns but just remember the bad or hard times don't last <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"> key word is *through* <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"> We don't stay in bad times..we go *through* them <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

make no mistake.

A turkey would kill YOU if given half a chance.

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"War is a series of disasters which result in a winner." --Georges Clemenceau
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I would like to echo echo echo all the sentiments so far and extend my best wishes to all my American friends and wish you all a very happy and safe thanksgiving... eat and make Mary.. oops.. merry! <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/wink.gif">

have a great holiday!

~Vp~

no turkey in Iceland but all the teachers in the country are on a strike <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"> no school for many months



[This message has been edited by delphi (edited 11-23-2000).]

Happy T-Day to all, and to all a good feast. Sure Wes I`ll have two or three bites for ya.
sorry for your trouble, but remember all things are temporary, problems, life, the sun, time. This, too, shall pass...
Hope this one passes soon.

i'd just like to give props out to everyone on the message board that isn't an animal-killer.

the rest of you can choke on a bone.

cheers.mikey.milker

No turkey here either, mind you there's plenty driving around on the roads.

Wes! Chin up Bro, it can only get better.

Happy thanksgiving you guys... <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Don't worry Mikey, most of us arent animal killers. In fact I pride myself in being an animal eatter instead of a killer, completely different. Truth of the matter is I hate all types of killers, especially those who kill poor defensless vegtables and plants. So be careful where you walk because that blade of grass has just as much of a right to life as anyone else. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Eating meat is an instinct. Not eating meat is a choice. Believe me I know, my wife is a vegitarian.

Anyway mikey, I hope you enjoy your Tofu Turkey.

As far as I'm concerned, the more is see animal torture, mutilation and so on, and the more I get disgusted with meat...
Yeap, not eating meat is a choice... i wonder if i shouldn't twist to vegitarian.. Hey F1, does your wife eat fish? Eggs? Drink milk? I don't really know the habits of vegetarian, and I really want to know more.
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Thanks!

My wife eats eggs, and drinks milk, but does not eat fish. However that is her choice. Many vegitarians will eat fish, eggs, and milk. You can take this to an extreme and become a vegan, that is a person that eats no animal products.

Now before you become PETA milltant and start talking about how we need to stop making clothes from animals and such, please be aware of folks like me. I'm allergic to many types of man-made products that are designed to replace animal products. Some of those man-made products can kill me. Groups like PETA really piss me off! I'm supposed to die to save a cow? I don't think so. I'm all for treating animals well, but not at my expense. PETA is an ill-informed group lead by blind eyed moon brained fools. It's a group that could have done some good, but instead chooses to hurt and demean there own actions. This is kind of a sore spot with me, since it's my health and my life.

yeah.. PETA is a bunch of fascists if you ask me. i've got a few friends who support PETA and do protests and stuff though, to each their own i guess.

traditional vegetarianism is technically called "lacto-ovo vegetarian." what that means is you consume milk and UNfertilized eggs, but no fish/chicken/cow/horse/goat/blah or whatever.

i personally have a little bit of a problem with people that say "i'm a vegetarian, but i eat fish and/or chicken." that's not vegetarian, that's just limiting some of your animal consumption. oohhhh but i myself wear a leather jacket and boots and a few other dead animal clothes, so i'm not that much better.

don't worry though, i don't think i'll be eating tofurkey today.. probably make myself some pasta or whatever for dinner, yeehaw.

cheers.mikey.milker

Uhrm, eating meat isn't instinctual, its social, anyone that tries to tell you humans were meant to eat meat has never tried to eat a slab of raw meat, its just not meant to be.

On a side note me and my friend have set a goal of living in a different country by one year, so this should be my last "turkey vendetta day" (as omera so perfectly put it) in a while. *prays*

Hmm? It's thanksgiving already? Nobody mentioned it out here in sweden, bummer. :-( Ah well, I got my new Macintosh by messenger today, a dual-processor 500MHz G4 with 384MB of RAM. I would have liked to wait for the Xtreme 1200MHz monster, but this will do.

Hope all is well with you all! I'm having a slow day, my littlest baby kitten "Adobe" got fixed yesterday, and she's moping around with a big plasitc cone on her head and a 3 inch scar on her belly, so we're staying close to home to spoil her.

Ooh! I got two new cams waiting at the post office! Check out my cammy page at http://primalshape.com/cams/ - it's not linked anywhere else, so if you didn't read it here, you won't be peeking in at my home! :-) Happy Thanksgiving all!

Your pal, -doc-

Happy thanks giving ALL!!!

this will be a short post.. i g.g back to the pie!

my boss, a vegetarian, wished me a happy thanksgiving, and to enjoy my vegetarian turkey... she was joking, but i then said, I believe most turkey are vegetarians, so i think i am safe...

peace dudes!


"There's always a bigger fish."

In hindsight, my post wasn't all that cheery was it? Sorry for the downer, but thanks for all the good words.

Think I'll go have some more punkin pie now...

People!! don't be so blindly led!!
can't you see that turkeys are the ENEMY?
They live and thrive on the suffering of mankind..

I think there were even turkeys in the third reich... I'll look it up..

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I know of one REALLY BIG turkey in the third reich.

Not to infringe on anyones choices or beliefs but I really dont buy into that whole vegatarian thing. Seriously, vegatarians feel animals deserve to live just as much as humans but have no problem eatting plants. I mean plants might not move but they do live right? They need food and water, proper conditions and so forth. Also a lot of them as Mikey proved wear animals. I dunno I like to believe in the food chain, where the stronger and more intelligant species dominates, and it just happens to be us so why fight it? <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

dont veggie people eat veggies cuz they think meat is bad for them?

i guess there are some wackos out there that dont eat some animals cuz they worship cows... please dont take that personally Mikey, as I am just voicing my opinion.

I dunno, They are happy eating plants and i am happy eating cows so hey... leave it at that, i say.

"I'm not vegitarian because I love animals, I'm vegitarian because I hate plants."

I know a lot of people who don't eat meat not because they don't think its "right" but because they don't think the standard american way of getting the meat to the market is "right." For instance one of the main reasons the rainforests gets chopped down is to provide grazing land for cows for export to american(most of which go to places like McDonalds etc). Another reason is that most meat is hormone treated(same with lots of veggies). Chickens live in really bad conditions, tuna kills dolphins, veal "products" never get to walk around...

Another reason is that everytime you go up the food chain you lose 90% of energy. So it takes 100 pounds of grain to get 10 pounds of beef.

Anyway I had a nice thanksgiving, got to talk to my brother in the slammer, which was nice, got to eat my mothers scrumplous(good?) apple pie, and lived another day, hope you all had equally fullfilling experiences(I'll bet the meat eaters had more fullfilling time though haha).

ehmm OpticBurn?

How do you classify eating meat as social?
Do all vegetarians eat alone?

The part about the raw meat is rather irrelevant. Since mankind learned to use fire we've cooked all kinds of food. How many veggies eat their food raw?

If you look at things in an evolutionary and genetic perspective, we're closely related to both pigs and chimps, and both of those species eat meat *and* vegetables. So have we since the days of Lucy...

I agree with F1 on this. I've also got the allergic issue with a bunch of the "brand new and extra juicy meat replacements" <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/wink.gif">

BTW
Steak tartar is raw meat last I checked and that is *really* tasty <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/biggrin.gif">

I say let people decide their menus themselves. Some will be fat others thin, some veggies others not. Just do not argue that we were not *made* to eat anything but grass...

<edit> And on the subject of evil turkeys: Remember South Park?! <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"></edit>

-nimraw
If you can't convince, confuse!


[This message has been edited by Nimraw (edited 11-24-2000).]

god i really wish i would have let this slip by....

jestah:

"vegatarians feel animals deserve to live just as much as humans but have no problem eatting plants."

the eating plant argument is irrelevant. plants do not possess the same ability to perceive and sense pain like animals do... and if one were really so concerned about plants getting hurt, then they'd surely realize by eating just plants they were actually saving plants; because instead of resorting to meat which takes a lot more plants to plump up for human consumption, they were eating the minimum amount required to sustain themselves.

"a lot of them as Mikey proved wear animals."

i didn't prove anything, i spoke for myself solely. obviously the "atypical" vegetarian does NOT wear animals because i make it a point to state my obvious discomfort for wearing leather myself. i get hit by this question from both omnivores and vegetarians all the time, "just how exactly do you justify wearing dead animals?" well since it's my life and i'm living by my own guidelines, it's super simple... but if you want some sort of justification, how about i can get clothing goods from an animal after they've lived their whole life... whereas someone eating an animal just slaughters the thing for an instant gratification in the form of a meal.

nimraw:

"how do you classify eating meat as social do all vegetarians eat alone?"

i'll go out on a limb here and try to field this question in my own interpretation. there are a lot of things that humans do that are not natural instinctively, instead it is garned from the society around them. in other words, humans continue to eat meat when it's not necessary because it's a habit that has been ingrained into the world around them. kind of like the mentality "everyone's doing it, so why shouldn't i?" meat isn't the only example either, people are so foolishly driven by a popular image or concept... americans especially. our social system demands that people use things like deoderant and perfume to cover up their natural smell, companies run ads for razors that make people feel it's bad for them to let their hair grow like it does naturally... you're a monster if you're a girl that doesn't shave your legs and arms, let alone your arm pits.

so yes, that's my interpretation of the roots of social ideals.

and finally:

i'm glad that i can live my life free of consuming dead animals, but that's all i can really worry about and control in the end... my life. so for everyone out there eating meat, more power to you. for all the veg-heads, rock on..

it's your own fucking life though, just don't make it mine, hehe.

cheers.mikey.milker

I say its social because I don't think much of anything we do anymore is instinictual but social, which is to say we do it because have always done it, and everyone else does it. Steak tartar is ground up small and is an appetizer, try eating an entire meal of raw meat, un-cooked, unsliced. Not only will your jaw fall off because your teeth aren't meant to eat meat(we grind, not rip, and don't ever let anyone talk to you about your so called "canines," because those don't do anything), but you will probably be violently ill afterwards.

I don't really care though, and if you were talking to me, I *never* came close to telling anyone how to live their lives, neither did mikey, I'm just presenting a viewpoint that isn't often exposed.

On a side note, as mikey was saying, I think its funny when people give me shit for having piercings(i got large guage stuff and one in my hand), but don't have any problems with people getting liposuction, breast implants, nose jobs, etc etc. Those are extremely costly, hugely invasive radical surguries, but socially acceptable because they aren't openly visible.

ANYWAY, I am thankful I live in a country where it is legal to save all your money, and then emmigrate.

heh.
Mikey and Optic

I was not aiming this really at either one of you. The social comment thing was more of a sarcastic semantic joke.

I just felt the need to blow off some steam after a few really shitty days at work, and sorry to say, I did it in here...

Of course everything we do or don't do comes from evolution and social standards. That's one thing I definately won't argue with.

I know neither of you told me how to live my life, but I don't think I did that to you guys either. I just sometimes get frustrated at the point saying that we were not made to eat meat. I've got a few hard core vegan friends who does not even argue that fact. They made a choice. That does not mean that I've not made a (Passive) choice to some extent to eat meat, or that I accept how animals are treated. OK I want to barbecue them, but I want them to have a reasonable life up to that point. Besides, having family in the northern part of Sweden I mostly eat Moose-meat. They have a pretty good life until someone shoots them. And the reason we've got to shoot them?
Some idiots killed off all the natural predators in our fauna (think we've got like 50 wolves left).

enough rambling. I wont post againg until I've settled down.. I need technicolor pills by the gallon <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/biggrin.gif">



-nimraw
If you can't convince, confuse!

Thats cool, I work a fucking cash register at a gas station at night, so I know what a shitty job is all about.

I don't take any of this personally, since I'm purely posing hypothetical situations here to think about, so don't worry about that.

Besides, so much of what we do we aren't built to do, but do every day of our lives, that even saying we aren't meant to do something has only a small value in any sort of argument for or against something. Did i get enough "do's" in that sentance?

hey, this is just a few steps short of having to move to the philosophy forum <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

One of the things I think we're not built to do is work all the friggin' time for bullshit managers who gets all the cash and glory. sheesh..

I once thought that we were made to be a ever-happy bunch of carbonate combinations, but life proved me wrong.

Thank GOD (or any eventual deity for that matter) its friday!!!

um.... Nimrod stole my point..

it's 9:54AM now (here)
sometme tonight I will move this thread to the philosophy forum...

Jolly trails..

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How does a simple "Happy Thanksgiving" topic turn into philosophy 101 ?

Well, to each his own... I ate turkey ! yummmmmay ...and I have more leather pants & coats than a biker babe..LOL... but omg...I am so far from that image...eeeekkkk...

But, heh, if you don't like to eat meat...wear leather....fur etc.. then that's your right...to each his own <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

~giggles~ kinda falls into the F-1 shoes topic.. you would wear 'em or you wouldn't <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

you go F-1 !!!!!!!

wow... from "Happy Thanksgiving" to F1's shoes... is this the place for a crackhead slimey or what?

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Heh, I triggered on this one, "i guess there are some wackos out there that dont eat some animals cuz they worship cows...". Seems to me that something like a third of the world population venerates cows, don't they? Some kind of hindu thing, I guess. :-)

I don't have too much to add to this thread, I eat meat becuase I like the taste, and believe that it provides me a more balanced nutrition. Being a vegan is *complicated*, you have to track down all the proper nutrients, eating a huge variety of different plants and such. Most of the "hobby" vegetarians I've known tried eating nothing but salad and rice, and eventually became unhealthy, they were missing too many trace elements. Me, I let the other animals run around and eat a good variety, and eventually it all filters into me! My choice.

And I'm a bit lazy, heh.

Your pal, -doc-

Sheesh, the paths these posts take... I can't wait till I wish everyone a merry Christmas.

Gotta tell you guys, I eat meat, I respect people and their opinions not to do so whatever their reasons.... But I haven't laughed so hard at a thread in this forum yet. Thanks for the levity it a stressful time of year. A good belly laugh is one of the most relaxing things I know of (next to sex and *meds*).

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I reckon dont eat at all.. just drink beer! *hick*

~Vp~

liquid diets wool!

Speaking of drinking beer, I found the best bar in Fort Worth last night. Just wish I could remember the name... something about a dog. But, it's the first real *bar* I've been to in a long time. Not a sports bar, not a cocktail bar, not a "we serve over 500 beers" bar...just a place to sit on a stool and yack and enjoy a refreshing draught. Helped to drown a few of my sorrows.

Come to think of it, perhaps some of the D/FW inmates would like to get together there one weekend. As soon as I can remember the name...