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Was the Asylum down for anyone else today for about an hour?

Whats up with that Doc?

NightmareHost?

And while we're whining, I liked the 11px font size a lot.

Fuse blew!!!

*slaps krets*

.. dont' you pay attention?....

Huh?

From now on, DreamHost is ShitHost!

ShitHost, ShitHost, ShitHost, yeah!

10px font! 10px font! 10px font! Yeah! I just like it better.

I didn't notice the down time but this does seem to be happening a little too often.

yep... I prefer it too Bug.

10.5px!

no room for debate....

The older your eyes get Taxon, the more you will be open for debate.

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Yep, at his age he's all about another word...


<hint>It rhymes with debate</hint>

hey butcher... trust me... I don't have too good of vision...
... krets hit the nail right on the head....

hehe....

edit: changed post entirely.

[This message has been edited by taxon (edited 05-24-2001).]

Care to be a little more specific Krets.

I don't do to well with rhyming word games.

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It's a liberated, accessible css world. Don't specify type size - let the viewer adjust their browser default font.

~Steve ducks and runs~

Hey Steve

Do you really think you can build and code most web pages, test them in the popular browsers, let the user pick font size and attributes, and have to page look as it should?

I'm not debating you, I would like to know your thoughts.

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[This message has been edited by butcher (edited 05-24-2001).]

And so the masses froth at the mouth...

Geez, power goes out for a few hours and you guys are ready to crucify somebody. There are other sites to go to...No, I tell a lie. Okay, so maybe there aren't.

Well, good thing I was hiding in the closet. As long as VP doesn't start looking for his spare mop, everything will be okay.....*whistle*

Damnit, I had this thread completely off topic and now you're going to go and turn it into something useful.


Actually, good question..

Hmm, I'm torn, really I am. I like the 10px font, I use it a lot, all over the place. Still, the 11px font was nice, I got used to it. Now, what am I supposed to do with CSS that will really let people choose their font size, yet still not look bloody stupid to folks who don't do that? I may just bump it back up to 11px, seems best and fairest to all the other old farts, like me.

Your pal, -doc-

Yeah... yeah... good question.... let's talk about this... (and forget where this topic was starting to veer to)...
good... yep...

I am feeling lazy, though, so only the newest threads will show the change. I'll rebuild threads later...

Your pal, -doc-

butcher:

I don't know *what* I think anymore. But this article was in my mind when I posted that bombshell:
http://www.alistapart.com/stories/dao/

Can it be done? Sure. Do we have to let go of a lot of things (like control over what it looks like)? You bet. Is it a good thing? Depends on a lot of complicated factors.

So, I don't know what to think any more.

I did read one funny thing. It was in a sort of generic booklet for printers. In the section on web deesign they were discussing the difference of type size in mac vs. PC displays; the comment was made that a design which looks good on a PC might be unreadably small on a Mac. But if you have to choose, design for the PC because Mac users are more likely to know that they can change the font display in their browser!

Oh yeah. I'll bet it's true! hee hee



<dislaimer>above message posted from a Macintosh user</disclaimer>

[This message has been edited by Steve (edited 05-25-2001).]

Steve:

Damn, does he draw a great picture with his words or what!

Great article Steve. It really makes you want to rethink how we approach designing for the web. I can see why you said you don't know what to think. After reading that, I feel I should be able to sit in a corner, contemplate about media of the past and it's progressions, strip away whatever is not needed on the web, and go forward into this great new medium. While it's an exciting thought, it leaves me in a giant vacuum for direction.... Did I mention that I hate to have to think that much?

I wish you had a more concrete answer to my question, but I understand the fact that you don't.

edit:

Oh yea!!!
From one old fart to another, thanks for the font change Doc

/edit:

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[This message has been edited by butcher (edited 05-25-2001).]

I've just conceded another button on me toolbar, the font-size one. I run a bare minimum of browser window usually so this ain't a decision made lightly but with the prevalence of 10px verdana all over the web now, in tandem with my 1600x1200 resolution or more, it gets hard on the eyes after 10 hours of reading online documentation and the like.

I always assumed that Mac heads were more computer literate too, until I met a few. A lot more institutions are going Mac and that means that the people that work there get a MAc instead of a PC, they don't necissarily know much about either one.

Jason

actually, I think that you can have different style selectable from a drop-down option box, then you could store it in the user's computer just as easily as that cookie that saves your name and password.

People could custimize a style and it would appear in the drop-down box thru the magic of either Perl or Javascript.

Would that work?

Just a thought...



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Good answer, good answer.

Survey says!!!???

yes yes yes, that's the chips.

I volunteer to code that up, I'm already intensely interested in customization.

I know I've read something like that recently,(the dropdown choose your style sheet thingy) but I think only, (and I hate to say this) certain browsers on a Mac support it.

I have enough trouble designing for what is, let alone what could be!


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No, it can work universally. You set a cookie on the client that records preferences, and then build the stylesheet dynamically. Hell, in IE, you can even tweak CSS values after the document loads.

Linear

Care to elaborate on that one(the tweaking after page loads). I was just trying to work out one of your ideas along those lines recently. I had the default CSS page and a print CSS page both linked via Media=. Is there a way to change the way the page looks on screen, (i.e., stacked layers to stream for print with CSS) without reloading the page?

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Yeah there is. Send me some mail.

Hmm....that sounds interesting. I like the new version of UBB better than this one, although there are a lot of cool hacks and stuff for this version.

I like the cookie idea. Do tell! Maybe we could do something like that at gurusnetwork.com

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