Preserved Topic: Contemplating the Asylum Exodus

I've got a few thoughts that I'd like to share with y'all.

What are we doing here in the asylum lately?

Do we so pompously and stubborn refuse all criticism not delivered in the flavor we want it, that we'd rather see some of the asylums top talents leaving us?!?

Of course I can imagine that it would sting a bit if you have your design torn to pieces. Especially if you're an aspiring designer. But on the other hand, if you don't like feedback and are prepared to learn from it -- don't post! Simple as that.

The exodus of talent that the asylum is going through has no impact on *my* professional life. I do not design for a living any more, but I've designed all my life (for my own sake and sanity) . It's *the* hobby for me, so this affects me more personally than professionally.

For the ones in the business (or that aspire to join in):
There will *always* be people with better skills than yours. There will always be people with other views on design, code, frames/no frames etcetera. The point is to learn from them and from the world around you.
When I started in the print design business I though I was "all that". You pretty much had to in order to get started. The more I learned, the more I realised I needed to learn.
I learned tolerance and reasoning from complete idiots with no skill whatsoever. I learned tricks of the trade from friendly professionals, and I sure as hell learned the most from all the critique I got. How else could I improve??

Naturally the *real world* will sometimes yank people away from this place, but when people start leaving 'cause of the direction things in here are taking...well I, for one, get anxious...

And for "das kern des pudels" (sorry bad german)

We perhaps should look at ourselves from time to time and try to find the valuable lessons in what we read in here, and perhaps, just perhaps, show that we applied those lessons or at least learned something from them before the exodus grows bigger. I would like this place to keep and attract talent. Not reject it.

<disclaimer>This is not directed to all people in here, and I won't point any fingers but I needed to get this off my chest</disclaimer>

<e>typo</e>

-nimraw
If you can't convince, confuse!

[This message has been edited by Nimraw (edited 05-23-2001).]

Today, we have been diminished. I'm still too sad and shocked (though I shouldn't be) to really comment on this turn of events. I talk frequently in my work life about the lessons I have learned here about how communities on the web exist and mutate. We've been through several crises, and pulled through. Good folks have drifted in, drifted on, returned again. Still, it saddens me to see some of the people I respect most pick up sticks and pull out, why does it always come to a crisis point before we wake up?

I'll write more later, I guess. I always feel responsable for all thast happens here, even if I'm not there in all the threads, I hope that my actually *being* here and working to make this place good had something to do with why it all worked in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it was all me! But still, I was always here, and these last few months I've been preoccupied and now it goes boom.

Still, we'll survive, that's what we do. New names will become as familiar as the old, and we'll continue to mentor the newbies as we tend to do. Hopefully we can [do something?] differently so the brightest lights in our tunnel don't feel compelled to leave.

I'll post more after I read some more, and absorb what has happened. Weadah, twItch^, you'll be missed.

Your pal, -doc-

Hmm, on a somewhat silly note, perhaps this all happened due to THE ChANGE IN FONT SIZE! To mark this moment in time, I am changing all of the fonts back to 10px instead of 11px. Maybe we'll all be easier to live with at 10 pixels, I dunno.

Your pal, -doc-

Shit Doc!

And here I was trying to figure out what the hell I did to mess up my browser!

heh

*shakes his head*
damn, they'll let anyone have a teaching degree these days huh krets...




[This message has been edited by taxon (edited 05-23-2001).]

um.... it was just like yesterday that Mr. Milker was cussin out people... Twitch jumped in after Milker and started doing the same.... Now i am wondering... who will take his place? Actually, It took both Twitch and Buncha to fill that Mr. Milker left behind...... The sig forum used to be populated with awesome stuff.... and some day it will be so again.... I realy have not been doing much over there... i think it is time for me to start *helping* out more over there.... heh....::cough::.... and that is another thing... twItch^ brought with him the ::cough::.... dang it. I feel rather sad now due to other things that have been shaken up in realy 3d life, what i used to call normal is passing, and i will miss it..... and now this.... time to go kill myself i guess... heh heh..... dang it.


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I feel we will go on. The asylum was a sucess before Weadah and Twitch and it will always be a sucess. We have had many people leave. Allgood left for months, Doc Cyber left for months, 2winspapa is still missing, F1_error has not been around for a long time, Mikey Milker he is still missed. The asylum was great. At one point in time I believe I knew everyone who posted, I knew a little bit about them, and I knew what they did. The asylum will continue to be great.

But the asylum changed and grew. This is of course a good thing. We have more people, more input, but a bit less personal. I think we can all deal with the lose of that. There are still so many people here, who have so much to offer. The asylum is a large group, it does not focus on the wants and desires of a few, if it does, it really should not.

You all need to take pause, and just look at the beauty of the words in this site, the links that go out of this site, the art within its bounds, the ideas that have taken shape here.

The GurusNetwork, we can be thankful because of that alone. Who would have ever believed it possible that something that large could come out of a group of completely different people, many who have never met one another in person. There are also a huge number of people here who have been able to meet a deadline, because of information they were able to gather from this site.

There is so much power here in this site, but I do not, and will not stand by and let a small group of apathetics caste a shadow on anything that this site stands for. I do not visit this site daily, read the posts daily, no matter where I am in the world, because this site or the people here have nothing to offer, have nothing to learn.

I am by no means even close to being one of the first people here, I think I was number 200 and something. I remember reading when the member count was around 134. I just happened upon the site. I remember the first site I attempted to disign, and I put it in the site review section... it was crap. This site taught me something that I wasn't used to, being creative, doing things that are not simply the social norm.

I have learned so much from this site. Before the BIG SIG FORUM, before philosopy and sillyness. It was all one big section, Ozones Asylum, PhotoShop, DHTML, Site Reviews, and Career Discussion. And each topic, a question or comment would still allow people to see something new, to learn something new.

I hate to say this, but it still happens, every day I see something new, I learn something new. I am far from being a web god, I don't think anyone has the right to claim that title. Doc is a Genious, but he does not know everything, and he is here because he to learns. We are all hear to learn, and to put our two sence in.

We can not relegate how other people act, but we can relegate how we act. Choose to love the asylum for the information, for the creativity.

The asylum will go on, this is not the biggest blow we will face, or will ever face. There was an asylum before Twitch and Weadah and there will be one after. And the information will still be passing, and we will all still be learning.

I totally agree Warmage.


I don't mean that the asylum was dependent on DG, Twitch^ and Weadz being here,and I know we'll manage without them.

but

Nonetheless I can't help feeling a bit sad that people are leaving 'cause of things happening in here rather than being lured away to other places. The main issue is that they seem not to be going *to* some place, but rather *from*.

enough ranting.

I'm sure we'll survive and prosper, and that others will step up to the plate as head critics . I just hope they'll have the same facts and reasoning to back their statements with. If they've got that - the tone in which it's presented is less important. (nice tone of voice is good, but harsh is still useful).



-nimraw
If you can't convince, confuse!

Dont let human emotion direct your steps.......the offensive voices are userpers of your soul.........

Why do people feel un-wanted.....well there are those who need attention because they never had any....definatly someone who feels un-wanted....then there are those who dont think any-one is listening and feel un-wanted.......well

Me i let my good side......or the good force....rule......when offensis and un-wanted feelings try to enter my sanctuary....i just slam the door on em...........i certainly dont cry about why im leaving.......i slam that thought dead and carry on with being an influence............

sorry guys but your intentions where disclosed when you posted your reasons for leaving................better take a better look at your actions and why you feel the way you do.........i doubt this forum had anything to do with it..........just my opinion.........

Hey wait...I haven't lefted. I'm still lurking around the asylum as often as I can. I just don't know many people here like when I was first here and guess I need to be careful at what I do and say...srta like when you are in a new area of town and don't know anyone...hahahahahaha...but I do know that I am among good talented people for sure. I will be here always along with maa. Just want to say to start afresh with all....My name is Allgood...and the lady beside me who without her I wouldn't be in Sweden close to the Doc...I mean in Sweden that is. Good to meet my old friends and new ones I don't know.





[This message has been edited by Allgood (edited 05-23-2001).]

Well said WarMage!

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