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PixelHazard
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate
From: Tampa, FL USA
Insane since: Mar 2001
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posted 05-28-2001 01:05
Ok, i seen this somewhere before, most likely on this forum. How can i use .txt or any other extensions for my images on a webpage.
Do i change the extension on the file on my computer and in the .html code? Because i tried that and it didn't work...
Thanks
EvilEgg
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Steve
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: Boston, MA, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 05:02
Explain to me slowly what you want to do, and why??
If you really have some need to save a bitmap image as a text file, have you tried opening it in a text editor and then doing a "save-as"?
I'm tellin' you - I have accidentally looked at photos as text. You know how they say "a picture is worth a thousand words"? Well it's almost literally true here - it sure takes a whole lotta ASCII characters to represent even a modestly sized photo!!
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linear
Paranoid (IV) Inmate
From: other places
Insane since: Mar 2001
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posted 05-28-2001 05:06
I bet he's talking about the trick to keep folks from scabbing your images.
It doesn't really work.
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WarMage
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist
From: Rochester, New York, USA
Insane since: May 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 05:12
I would think he would be referring to saving the image as text into a database.
You can use PHP or PERL of a multitude of other languages to create graphics on the fly, which would be another way of saving graphics as text.
I would say look at the way a picture is represented as ASCII by opening the picture in a word document. It is a lot of text as stated above, and I can honestly say I can not make heads or tails of it, probabally because it is in actuality a binary based format not ascii... so it would get a bit difficult.
I don't have information for you here, but if you tell us more of why you would want to do this, we could help give you an answer as to how you should do it.
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JakeB
Paranoid (IV) Inmate
From: us
Insane since: Oct 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 05:55
i think what he means is to just rename his files as mypic.txt and then use <img src="mypic.txt"> then if your not using ie it might(or maybe not) try to save as text file instead of a picture.
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twItch^
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist
From: the west wing
Insane since: Aug 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 06:03
ASCII!!!
~cough~
s t e p h e n
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PixelHazard
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate
From: Tampa, FL USA
Insane since: Mar 2001
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posted 05-28-2001 07:12
what i meant was where it keeps people from taking your image of the website, a friend of mine has a photo gallery, and people keep stealing his images........
Does it only work in IE or does it work in netscape too?
EvilEgg
"Just saw the movie "Perl Harbor", here is a hint.....don't buy the super size coke. Other then that, the movie is very good"
[This message has been edited by PixelHazard (edited 05-28-2001).]
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mr.maX
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist
From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 07:35
As said above, that method doesn't really work (IE will save image correctly, for example)...
[This message has been edited by mr.maX (edited 05-28-2001).]
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silence
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: soon to be "the land down under"
Insane since: Jan 2001
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posted 05-28-2001 07:41
There was a post on this before, and the general consensus was that there is no way to stop people from taking your image. None. I tried the same thing myself a while ago and I came up with that because there was no I could think of that I couldn't defeat myself.
The image renaming thing used to work when a browser would save a file with whatever extension it originally came with. Now, newer browsers parse the file header for the proper extension so that method is not going to work. Also, if worst comes to worst, you can always screen capture the desktop and you'll have access to the image anyway, no matter what protections it has on it.
Basically, if you put an image on the internet, people will have access to it. It's democracy to the extreme 
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[peer]
Bipolar (III) Inmate
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Insane since: Apr 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 13:10
If you're really p-oed about people stealing your images, you could slice them up into 16x16 parts and stick them into a table... No one will take that much time and effort to steal your image, and if they do, they mustlike your work a lot.
--brokensig of [peer]--
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silence
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: soon to be "the land down under"
Insane since: Jan 2001
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posted 05-28-2001 13:13
Nice try peer, but even in table format, a screen cap would get the image anyway with only a few seconds work.
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[peer]
Bipolar (III) Inmate
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Insane since: Apr 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 13:17
That's true... but you'd be surprised how many people would first try to get past "right-click protection" using their keyboards before using a screencapture.
--brokensig of [peer]--
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lallous
Paranoid (IV) Inmate
From: Lebanon
Insane since: May 2001
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posted 05-28-2001 14:33
I would also like to add:
"If it's seen, It can be stolen!"
I don't think you can solve that unless you don't show the pic!
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DocOzone
Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist
Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there...
From: Stockholm, Sweden
Insane since: Mar 1994
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posted 05-28-2001 16:09
Yah, we some tests on the "change the name" ploy, and it doesn't work on any of the newer browsers anymore, bummer.
Your pal, -doc-
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Pugzly
Paranoid (IV) Inmate
From: 127.0.0.1
Insane since: Apr 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 17:10
What if you put a DIV on top of the image, using Z-Index. In that DIV, put some transparent image with a watermark or something. If you right click on the image, you'd get the watermark itself, right? Just a thought.
The best I've come up with is to make it harder - go here, and click on the link: http://www.macombsheriff.com/development/swat_training.htm. A screen capture would still work, but....
Pat Richard
A pixel is worth a thousand words.
http://www.gurusnetwork.com
ICQ 23113317
[edited by mr.maX]fixed the URL[/edit]
[This message has been edited by mr.maX (edited 05-28-2001).]
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delphi
Bipolar (III) Inmate
From: Iceland
Insane since: May 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 17:19
How about alicing the image up in 16*16 pixels and put it in a table vith border="1"
ok it will look bad but that would stop the screencaptures 
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JakeB
Paranoid (IV) Inmate
From: us
Insane since: Oct 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 17:47
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WarMage
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist
From: Rochester, New York, USA
Insane since: May 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 17:57
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Dracusis
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: Brisbane, Australia
Insane since: Apr 2001
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posted 05-28-2001 18:57
Completly off topic:
I have a friend doing Software engineering at Uni and one of her group projects for a real client was to write a program that would convert digital video and turn it into ASCII Video! I must say it looked so cool... It was used for a big dance part (I'm talking millions of people big) Just thought I throw that in as someone mentioned ASCII stuff
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twItch^
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist
From: the west wing
Insane since: Aug 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 19:19
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Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist
From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 20:13
Personally, I've given up the idea of trying to keep people from taking images and have simply started putting a copyright tag in the corner (i.e. Copyright 2001 Wesley Treat, www.bigwaste.com).
If they take it and put it on their own page, they usually don't remove the copyright tag and at least I get credit for it (and maybe some hits to my site, too). I also added a notice to the bottom of my Photologue that says the images are copyrighted, but if you want to use them, just ask and it usually isn't a problem. I've gotten quite a few requests and I usually just ask for a link back to my site; they're always happy to comply. I've actually sold a couple of photos, too!
There's no real way to keep people from snatching them altogether, but I've found that most are willing to make a simple exchange and I can at least keep track of where the images end up that way.
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Flik
Bipolar (III) Inmate
From: The Attic
Insane since: Dec 2000
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posted 05-28-2001 20:38
Why bother? Easiest way to do it is probably to just put up a table with the image as the BACKGROUND. Inside that table, you simply put a transparent gif the same size as your background image. People will right-click and save, and all they get is a transparent gif 
________________
-=out of the blue=-
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NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001
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posted 05-29-2001 01:49
Recently lost all my bookmarks so can't point you there.... but i thought it was 'Moira' something... very fine celltic knot work... she had a jewel mine and a bunch of other goodies ... just really good stuff.... anway...
she had a little disclaimer up front that said 'this is a no right click zone.'
Then if you did in fact right click on an image.. the little message popped up again.
Certainly not foolproof but i thought it was a pretty good reminder she didn't want you grabbing her work.
btw... if you know what site i'm talking about let me know please...
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DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000
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posted 05-29-2001 03:18
see, thing whith stuff like that is....(aside from it not being truly effective in anyway) it just pisses people like me off...I right click for *many* reasons, and not being able to because of someone's paranoia just makes me more interested in grabbing their images and letting them know that I was able to get them
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Penny Lane
Bipolar (III) Inmate
From: The State of Jefferson
Insane since: May 2001
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posted 05-29-2001 07:37
NoJive - the site is Moyra's webjewels - http://moyra.com/jewels/minentrance.html
no link, sorry... it won't let me do html and I forget everything I just read about UBB code... *sigh*
oh yeah, hi *smile*
edit: ok, forget what I said about the link...
[This message has been edited by Penny Lane (edited 05-29-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Penny Lane (edited 05-29-2001).]
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NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001
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posted 05-29-2001 09:12
Penny Lane... so is there *really* a barber?
Welcome to the Asylum.... someone will be around shortly with your jacket and meds...
Thanks for linking to Moyra's... I quite enjoy here work. You too obviously.
DL I agree... but the *less* learned, shall we say <BG> just might tuck tail and run.
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DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000
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posted 05-29-2001 13:24
Yes, very true.....but my point is - is it worth the trade off? loose more educated visitors in your efforts to deter the less educated ones?
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silence
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: soon to be "the land down under"
Insane since: Jan 2001
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posted 05-29-2001 15:10
DL-44 brings up a good point. When I browse, I find it faster to right-click on a page to go back instead of going up to the back button and it's a bit of a pain to have a little box popup with some sort of message. That little alert popup is also easily circumvented so it's only an annoyance and not a deterrence.
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twItch^
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist
From: the west wing
Insane since: Aug 2000
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posted 05-29-2001 16:19
~sigh~
Such a depressing fucking topic. Seriously.
If someone wants to rip your images, then they will. There's absolutely nothing you are going to do that will deter them, if they're going to break rules anyway. Put a copyright up, blast your email address everywhere on the site, and some people may still steal them. Stick in a no-right-click annoyance, people will screencap it, and you still lose your precious images.
What about your content? Clearly not worried about that. How about your information architecture? Now lets start figuring out ways to keep that under lock.
I mean, really, if you do good stuff, you're gonna get copied. That's just how it happens in a community of over 2 billion people. Move on.
s t e p h e n
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la'dsasha
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted
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posted 05-29-2001 17:25
if you can see it, its already *been* downloaded into the browsers cache.
i got really mad at some guy who had the retarded "no right click" javascript on his page for some photographs i wanted to use as reference for a drawing i was doing. i went into my cache and copied all of the pictures there from the site from there.
its also not hard to disable javascript.
you cant fool the most clever thief.
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this rose has a thorn...
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Dracusis
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: Brisbane, Australia
Insane since: Apr 2001
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posted 05-29-2001 18:09
What's with all this talking... I just want to see more spaceships damit!!!!
Although, it seems strange that people are quite scared to steal say an article that x wrote but an image that y did is fine to take..
Change the colour/hue and crop it somewhat and it yours! (Stupid 10% rule)
But what if you take an article, re-write the first paragraph and change the font. It this then to be considered yours?
__________________________________________
Ohh look, my fav Star Wars character
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bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist
From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000
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posted 05-29-2001 19:51
At one time there was as server that would prevent the downloading of images because they would have to be viewed through a plug-in. similar to say converting a gif to a flash movie. Don't know if it had something to prevent screen caps though.
It also sucked because A. you needed to download and install a stupid plug-in to view images, B. it was expensive as hell.
Walking the Earth like Kane
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twItch^
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist
From: the west wing
Insane since: Aug 2000
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posted 05-29-2001 20:09
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silence
Maniac (V) Inmate
From: soon to be "the land down under"
Insane since: Jan 2001
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posted 05-29-2001 21:39
Having to download a plugin just to view images is just plain stupid. Flash is okay because at least you get motion pictures, but a plugin just to view a pic is ridiculous.
Also, there's a way to get rid of the right click popup without having to go into the cache. Email me if you're interested aaa_silence@hotmail.com
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