Preserved Topic: World Cup, Part IV (spoilers!)

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[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-17-2002).]

mexico just lost... against the us. hihi.

why do i even care about that?

FORZA ITALIA!

Yep, and boy was that a beautiful game. We looked a bit shaky at the beginning of the second half, but we got our act together and even tacked on a goal!

Unfortunately, Grumble, I'll be rooting for Korea tomorrow... DAE-HAN MIN-GUK!

[Edit: Hmm... after reading that post again, Grumble, I get the impression that you are mocking us. Mexico did not lose to us, we beat the crap out of them.]


Cell 270

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-17-2002).]

We did it!!!!

What a game...what a second half...if the US boys can continue to play at this level...then we have a good chance against Germany..

Mexico sure is a poor loser...can't believe all the ruthless 'attacks' in the second half...

And the referee from Portugal...hmmm...but despite his 'referee-ing', we did it...

Congrats, US boys...now, time to 'up' the game...against Germany...

Yeah, tell me about it. Hasn't Mexico ever heard of the "FIFA Fair Play" thing?

On the positive side, the Korean announcers were nice to us. Cha Bum Kun (scroll down), who played in Germany and later coached the Korean national team, was the analyst. He was saying how the US showed today why they deserve to be in the quarterfinals. When Marquez got sent off, he also said that players like that shouldn't be playing in the World Cup. I can't stand watching any of the other channels, but I like Cha Bum Kun because he knows the game and he doesn't talk stupid nonsense like some of the other "analysts."

Example: I think this was in the Denmark-France match, but I can't be sure. Anyway, Cha Bum Kun was the analyst on MBC, and there was another analyst on another channel named Shin Mun Seon. Somebody apparently watched both channels at the same time (not sure why, but whatever). Zidane was hurt, and he was making a rotating motation with his hand. Shin says, "Oh, Zidane is complaining to the referee!" Cha says, "Zidane looks like he's hurt, he's asking to be taken out." So then Zidane goes over to the sideline and eats (drinks?) something. Shin says, "Zidane is drinking a nutrient substance (bad translation)." Cha says, "Zidane must be hurt, he's taking a pain killer."

Anyway, the person then wrote this on a message board somewhere, chastising Shin for basically spouting crap out of his bunghole. And it's true, which is why I hate watching matches when Cha is not the analyst.

OK, enough rambling. I'm just psyched about the win! Time to get some work done before the Belgium-Brazil match. I don't care who wins that, so it will be relaxing.

[Edit: Ahem... punctuation]

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-17-2002).]

I personally think that Brazil will kill Belgium...sorry to any Belgium fans...but Brazil is really good this time...

I think that Brazil will make it to the finals...

Just not sure against who...

Man, am I pumped! Still can't believe it...now I can show my face tomorrow at work!

Well, WS, I would have agreed with you, but that was an amazing first half. All that shooting and no goals! I still think Brazil will win, but it's turning out to be a lot closer than I thought it would...

i say this too is goin to the 11-meter-shootin.

Nope, Brazil just scored... and Belgium was doing so well. Well, there is still time left...

damned, they just scored.
beautiful goal!

O-LA O-LA O-LA .. GO USA!!!!

yeah baby!! yeah!!! bring on Germany!!!!

what an amazing game .. finally the fire that I have been waiting for .. I sure hope this fire continues to burn thru the rest of the tourny

cEll .::. 513

Yeah, bring on the Germans!

And Brazil scored again, another beautiful goal. Belgium just put it in the net, but they were offside. We're now into extra time.

I kind of feel bad for Belgium. They really picked up their game in the second half, controlled the ball and created a lot of chances. They did play very well. Brazil, on the other hand, had flashes of brilliance--which, apparently, was all they needed.

Well, it's official now. A heroic effort by Belgium, but Brazil go through.

[Edit: Rammstein-

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yeah baby!! yeah!!! bring on Germany!!!!

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I don't know why, but when I read that I heard Austin Powers in my head. ]

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-17-2002).]

As a Brazilian, I think Belgium played better than us. They just had unluck. And that firts goal of Belgium was legitimate. Well, I don't like to see my team winning a game this way but, anyway, we won and that's what matters. Congrats Belgium, for the good play.

viol: I'd have to say I agree with you on that. Congrats anyway!

And to the rest of you football fans, enjoy your day--I'm off to city hall to grab a spot for the Korea-Italy match. They've got a half-dozen screens set up, and for most of the matches so far there have been about 40,000 fans. I'll take some pictures to share with guys (if I ever get back).

DAE-HAN MIN-GUK!





Cell 270

I'm pretty shocked on what I'm hearing in this thread about Brazil's game...are you guys nuts??!!??

They played against an extremely hard defense, and broke it with ease...something that no other team could have done. Man, I'm a bit miffed...Brazil played a 'perfect' game against Belgium...letting them run, and run, and run...until by the second half, they were just too tired to be affective...and out came the goals...a very 'tactical' approach, to a very 'tactical' Belgium...which just goes to show that Brazil can play against any strategy, and win. And with ease...Brazil didn't have to really play hard...and that is shocking...they played a very easy, light game...and that was more than enough.

Although Belgium played very well, and gave everything, they just didn't have a chance...

Of course, that's just my opinion...

Go Japan and Korea!!! Knock two more European lands out of the WC...and I will be more than happy...

Then there will only be three...Germany, England and....Spain. I would really love to see the semi-finals without a single European land in it...it's never happened in the history of the WC...and it's time that the Europeans get 'shocked' out of their arrogance...which is overall very good for soccer as a whole. You wouldn't believe what is going through the news here in Germany, and on talk shows, etc. Is Senegal getting the respect that it deserves? No, they have just got 'lucky'...well, how about the Asian temas? Well, they have European trainers, so that's why they are doing so well, and on, and on...the f**king Arrogance! Here in Germany it's already been decided...they all are talking about how nice it is to be WC! And as for the US? Not worth mentioning! It's unbelievable...*shakes head*

Well, Japan is out...congrats Turkey...1-0. A close game.

Hmmm...well, we will see how Korea does against Italy...

Well, I don't like the european arrogance as well but since I'm brazilian with italian citizenship (due to some italian ancestors), I wish Italia wins (sorry koreans, nothing against you). About Germany, I really wouldn't like it to win this WC specially because, in 2006, WC will be in Germany and certainly they would be the best guess to win for the 2006 WC.

all I want to see is US beat Germany .. that would be a wonderful shock to all European teams


Click on the Image to go to the Recycling Center .::. cEll .::. 513

South Korea just beat the italians so Im betting that Suho will be along any minute now.

Yeah Korea. Im glad the hosts get to continue on in the Cup.

-tiki, cell 478

DAE-HAN MIN-GUK! BA-BA-BA-BA-BA DAE-HAN MIN-GUK!

*Ahem* Sorry for the shouting, but I'm half deaf now so I can't really hear myself. Sorry I'm late, too, but it took an hour and a half to get home from city hall.

Wow. Where to start? Well, we arrived at around 12:00, ate lunch, then I waited in line while my wife went to teach from 1:00 to 2:00. At 1:30 they started blocking off the roads and letting everyone in, so I just went along. I was kind of worried my wife wouldn't be able to find me in the crowd. I mean, it's not like I could say, "Just look for the red T-shirt."

She did find me, though, and from 3:00 they started the official "festival," which consisted of a whole crapload of cheering interspersed with some Korean singers performing on the big stage they had set up. The weather was very hot, and my arms ended up almost as red as my shirt (even though I used sunscreen). Once the sun started to set it got cooler, and everyone started to get more excited. I don't know exactly how many people there were, but we were up toward the front and there were people back as far as we could see. They said that over 400,000 people showed up at city hall alone last time, and they were expecting more this time. Anyway, they were lots and lots of people.

The match started after what seemed like forever, and we got the penalty kick almost right away. Unfortunately, An Jeonghwan blew it, and the crowd quieted down a bit. I think we were all a bit shocked. Then when Vieri scored it got real quiet.

But Korea stayed in the match, and I kept telling myself they could come back. In the last friendly before the World Cup started, Korea came back against England and ended up drawing, and they came back against the US late in the second half. But Italy played some great defense, and it really looked like it was the end. When the forty minute mark passed I remember thinking, "What am I going to say to the guys at the Asylum?"

But then, two minutes before full time, Seol Kihyeon jammed it into the net. Everyone jumped up, screaming at the top of their lungs (yours truly included). I can't remember the last time I screamed that loud. It was insane. I don't even clearly remember what happened, just that the whole entire city seemed to have erupted. Fireworks were going off, people all around me were hugging and crying.

There were chances on both sides before the whistle, and Cha Duri had that overhead shot that he planted right in the keeper's chest. It would have been nice if that had gone in... When it went into extra time I kept thinking, "Please score a golden goal," because I knew we didn't have that much of a chance in a shootout. Finally, An redeemed himself, and the celebration was even crazier than it was the first time. Of course, everyone was screaming again, the fireworks were going off, there was dancing, hugging, crying. It didn't matter if you knew the person next to you, you hugged them anyway.

My wife and I decided to try to get out early so we could beat most of the crowd (just half a million people, that's all). We walked to Seoul Station, and on the way it was more high-fiving and hugging. Of course, everyone wanted to high-five me, so the walk was basically one big celebration. The cars and buses were all beeping their horns: beep-beep-beep-beep-beep, and then everyone would shout DAE-HAN MIN-GUK ("Republic of Korea"). Repeat this about a thousand times and you'll get the idea.

We finally managed to get home and eat something (we had some snacks, but no meals after lunch), and I think I'm finally getting some of my hearing back. It's still mostly a very loud ringing. And my throat feels like I just drank sand.

So, An redeemed himself, and Hiddink, of course, is a hero. There's been something going around the Internet these days, basically to this effect: if Korea makes the quarterfinals, we offer to make Hiddink a natural Korean citizen; if Korea makes the semifinals, we don't give him a choice in becoming a natural Korean citizen; if Korea makes the finals, we elect Hiddink president. There was nothing about what would happen if Korea won the finals. Most probably he would be elevated to the status of god. He's already halfway there--believe it or not, but tour companies here are offering trips to the Netherlands that include tours of Hiddink's place of birth.

Unfortunately, Japan did not beat Turkey. The Korean reaction to their defeat, though, was interesting. During group play, everyone was talking about how Japan and Korea had to make the round of 16 together. But once the round of 16 was made, everyone seemed to be hoping Japan would lose. When they announced the final score, everyone cheered. No matter how it may appear on the surface, the rivalry still runs pretty deep.

And as for Europe being shocked, I think that's already happened. France, Portugal, and now Italy--a lot of the contenders have already been knocked out. And of the eight nations in the quarterfinals, only three are European (yes, I know part of Turkey is technically part of Europe, but most of it, including the capital, is in Asia). I would love to see Senegal win (which I think they will), of course I want to see the US beat Germany (stranger things have happened), and I will definitely be rooting for Korea against Spain. I also think Brazil can beat England, and if all of that happened, we would have no European nations left. How likely is that? Maybe not too likely, but it would be nice.

Of course, it would create a dilemma for me, being that the US and Korea would meet again in the semifinals. During group play I couldn't really root for Korea (until the US fell apart against Poland), but today I was a red-blooded Red Devil. Of course I would have to root for the US, but it would be very hard. And I can't very well root against either of them in their next matches... I suppose one team going through would be ideal, but I wouldn't want to have to choose. If neither team goes through, I think that would be even worse. At least if both teams go through I know one of them is going to be in the finals.

Well, it's almost two in the morning here now, and I have my thesis examination tomorrow (yes, I have my thesis examination tomorrow and I spent all day at city hall screaming like a lunatic--why do you think I'm in the Asylum). So, pleasant dreams, fellow inmates. I bid you a good night, and in parting: never underestimate the Red Devils!

DAE-HAN MIN-GUK!





Cell 270

Well, a quicky from Holland; We're not in the game -see you in 2004, we'll kick some serious butt!- But everyone's pretty excited about the Dutch coach Hiddink doing well for Korea (for details, see Suho's post) and right now, in Rotterdam it's a massive frenzy, and the Turks (We've got quite a lot of Turkish people living in Rotterdam) are filling the streets, celebrating their victory against Japan.

Good clean fun.

Edit: I read the rest of the thread, and agree that Europeans can be pretentious assholes when it's about football, though. I asked around, and most of the persons I know think it's deserved that Europe hasn't come far.






[This message has been edited by mahjqa (edited 06-18-2002).]

It's the big game 2morrow England v Brasil

England 2 Brasil 0 what do you think?

Cheers Aroma

I wish (and sorry for the Koreans) that Spain wins, we won't have Raul for saturday, but I think that Joaquín and De Pedro can make an excelent sustitution of the attaking game.

Also we have Morientes and Tristan that will be a problem for korean's defense.......

England n-1 versus Brazil n

Who cares about Britian? Lets go USA !
I predict...

Brazil 3 - England 0

USA 3 - Germany 2

..yeah.. I know

ok children, time for a little in-depth analysis from the master. I uncover the real truth, the stuff they don't talk about on tele.

Argentina and France went home early for one simple reason: no mohawks. With the ousting of Japan we have seen the first mohican departure but this is only because of the superiority of the Turkish player, Davala's mohawk. While the Japanese fella's mohawk gets style point for rooster-like handsomeness, Davala's is right down to the skin, a more aggressive, true, dare I say, fierce mohawk.

I've heard that Ziege has shorn his mohawk? If this is true, a more stupid tactical move has never been made and I'll have to lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of Rudy Voeller for allowing this (Voeller also caused the German's early departure against Bulgaria at USA94, this friends is another story altogether). If it's true that Voeller has screwed the pooch again and allowed the shaving of the classic strip, colored nationally (indeed a powerful do), then it's without reservation that I give the match, in advance, to the United States on the merits of the Mathis Mohican (a true, to-the-skin do with very powerful mojo).

After all, as every American sportscaster has known for a good 30 years, soccer is all about the hairdos.

Jason

Well, an hour to the England-Brazil match, one I am really looking forward to--it should be a good one. And, despite any emotional attachments I may feel that would beg to differ, I would have to say that the winner of this match has a pretty good chance of going all the way. Personally I think Brazil is going to win, but you never know.

Wakkos: no need to apologize for rooting for your home team! But I don't think it will be an easy match for Spain; Hiddink, with his experience in Spain, is very confident. It's going to be another good match, hopefully. This time around, though, I'll be watching it with the in-laws. I don't think I could go through another day at city hall...

JK: If you're right, then the Korean barbers need to get to work, and fast! I vote we give Ahn the mohawk. Cut off all that beautiful hair.

Go USA!!!! Go USA!!! GoUSA!!

Oh, I'm dying....the biggest test of the US Boys so far...if they can beat the Germans, then I think we have a real chance at the title!

As for Brazil vs England...hands down, Brazil. Sorry to all English fans, but Brazil is just too good....

Spain vs Korea...well, though I wish for Spain to win, I feel that Korea will actually manage to beat them. Sorry wakky...

Senegal vs Turkey...Senegal, hands down.

Which means...all European teams go home! A huge blow to European soccer, which is better for the sport...the Europeans have gotten too arrogant...

Of course, it could all go the other way...and all the non-European teams will be sent packin'.

Doesn't anyone find it strange, that the match-ups are arranged that way? I do....

Go USA!!!! Crush those Germans under your cleats!

No webShaman, don't feel sorry.

I like Korea a lot, but I know Spain, and Korea is a very fast team, but spain knows how to defense themself (though is not one of the best defenses in the world) the have Puyol for the right side, and I don't think that Korea will go through that side, not easily. In the middle defense is Hierro and Helguera, you saw helguera his 2 last matches: none could pass through him, and Hierro is well known all around the worlsd as one of the best defenders. In the left side is Nadal, experienced, not excerlent but experienced and very good in air game. Korea is Fast, but with that cover-all-sides defense, has not much to do with.

In the middle field, I have my doubts, if spain go with Valeron and Joaquín, could be very harmfull for Koreans, since those kids go excelent: Joaquin it's unstoppable for the right band, he can go for the outside or the inside.
And Valeron always makes those killer pass to the forwards (excelent forwards, BTW) and in the right side (Oh!! GOL ENGLAND!! COOL!!!!!!) we have De Pedro. Very good runner too!!

Let's see, whoever who wins, I know it's going to be an excelent game!!!!!

Uh oh...England just scored a goal! Now Brazil must respond...

Yeah wakky, I know all about Spain...but if Spain lets itself get caught up in the Korean 'current', they are lost...on the other hand, if Spain remains cool, and plays its game, then they will beat the Koreans...

The problem is, that the stadium will be full of Korean fans...and the energy...it will be very difficult for Spain to remain cool...

Go Brazil!!!

Good point, WS. I think people sometimes underestimate the power of the Red Devils.

As for England's goal, well, it has definitely turned the tide of the game in England's favor, but I still think Brazil can get back into it. As long as they don't go giving the ball away in the box again, of course. Man, that was some error. Kind of reminds me of the error Italy made that allowed Korea to tie the game.

[WS: do you really consider Turkey to be a European team, though? I know they may technically be a (very small) part of Europe, but I don't think they fall into the same class as Germany, Spain, and England, especially not in terms of arrogance.]

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 06-21-2002).]

Heh. Told you they could come back. The second half should be interesting...

what a funny goal by ronaldinho! wuhahahaha
seaman sucks....

Yooohooo! Brazil is up, 2-1!!! What a game!

As for Turkey...well, whether or not it is a part of Europe...depends on who you ask (ask a 'European', he says no...ask a Turk, he'll probably say yes...so who really knows?)

No, surprisingly, they aren't as 'arrogant' as the rest of Europe...but very proud...so...who knows...myabe they will win against Senegal...but I doubt it...

Go Brazil!!!

And there's the whistle, and Brazil go through. That's got to be the first match I actually called right.

I think Senegal are going to hand Turkey their own heads, though. From what I've seen Senegal is quite the force. Brazil-Senegal would also be a nice match.

Well, that's one European team down. Next up: Deutschland!

I'm happy. My people is happy.

Viol, do you live in Brazil?
If so, what's the truth about all that Direct TV shit?
It's true that Brazil didn't pay attention to their monopoly on the world cup??

Yeeehaw! Bye-bye, England...looks like JKMabry has the low-down on the Mohawk thing...good-bye, Beckham!

Just two and a half European teams to go...

C'mon USA!!! Go Korea! Mash them, Senegal!

With England out, there are now only Spain and Germany as real threats...whereas Spain is much more of a danger...

Though the thought of playing Korea again sends shivers down my spine...at least if USA loses, the Germans will probably get grinded under the cleats of either Spain or Korea...

Should Korea win against Spain, they are going to be really tough to beat...they'll be riding on a wave of hysteria...and that alone makes them dangerous...unpredictable...

Who says that only Europe can play soccer? I see a lot of nervous faces around here...

Hi Wakkos,
Yes, I do. Born and raised here.
I'm not really aware of what DirecTV is saying but all I know is that the main TV channel of Brazil, the Rede Globo, bought from FIFA the rights to air all the games of WC with exclusivity. They own also Net, a cable and satellite TV that is a rival of DirecTV. So, here in Brazil, only Rede Globo is airing some selected games (free for anyone that has a TV) and only Net (their cable TV and satellite TV) is showing all the games (pay-per-view). They paid US$ 200 million for this exclusivity, according to what I've read.
So, DirecTV is pissed off because they can show absolutely no WC game and Rede Globo is screwed because they were not able to make all the money they need to pay this high bill. I've read they will have US$ 100 million of losses. I'd say, a step bigger than the leg, if you understand what I mean... (Brazilian saying).
Since this is a private matter, the government gives a sh*t about it and I think it's right this way.

Off course it's right!!
I cannot see the games here!! only the spain ones!!
And in Venezuela, if you don't have Direct TV, you don't see the games!!!

As I mentioned to Wakkos, Hiddink is very confident concerning the upcoming match--he's coached in Spain, and he knows the Spanish team very well. On the other hand, the fact that no one really knows the Korean team has worked to their advantage. Personally, I think Korea stands a better chance against Spain than they did against Italy. It's still going to be a good game, though.

Of course, if my wishes come true and both Korea and the US win, they'll have to face each other again. That's not something I really want to happen, but on the positive side it means at least one of my teams will go through.

Ok, the game is about to start...man, I'm a wreck here...and getting it from every side...GRRRR!

I hope our boys kick the living s**t out of the Germans...!

Go USA!!!!

Ok, it's started...

Go USA!!!!

SHIT! 1-0. My life just got unbearable...we have a TV here at work...*shakes head* Looks bad for our boys...we didn't make the first goal...Dammit!

C'mon USA!!! It looks hopeless...but just maybe...



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Well, there's a goal, but's it wasn't scored by the team I was hoping would score it. Still, though, we've outplayed the Germans so far, and if we can just keep our heads on our shoulders we can get back into it.

Getting yellow cards, however, is not the way to keep your head on your shoulders.

[We've got to stop giving them close free kicks like this. It's killing us.]

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C'mon US!!! GO! GO!! GO!!!!

Ballak and Klose are very good headers, so, yes, STOP THOSE FOULTS!

OK, we got out of the first half without giving up any more goals. We're only down by one, and if we come out in the second half like we did in the first I think we'll be able to score. Go team!

Ok, second half...the half-time was unbearable in the break room...a taste of what could come *shudders at the thought...taking a real beating here...thinking of 'going postal' here...*

GO USA!!!

Damn it!! Khan definetly earned his pay on that one...

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Um, that was handling... that should have been the tying goal... bastards.

it was not handling. the hand didnt go towards the ball, infact it went away!

C'mon US!!! Without goals, you can't win...let's get on the board!!!!!! GO US!!!!!!

OK, folks, the mohawk is in the game! Now is the time for a comeback!

Dammit! Again, a chance...and nothing...I think destiny is against us...*goes into rave modus*

C'mon US!!!!

Well, even if the Germans win...that's a lot of yellow cards...and it just gets worse. On the other hand...our side has a lot, too.

Looks bad...

C'mon US!!! One goal!

are Yellow Cards retained between matches?

Grumble: the ball hit a defender's arm. How is that not handling? Not that it matters at this point...

[Edit: Yellow cards carry over to the next match]

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have USA lost yet? hope so

Man, the US is definitely playing better then the Germans...we just need that f**king goal!

C'mon, get that goal!! Go USA!!!

Not yet, aroma. Stop being a prick. Geez, talk about sore losers...

WS: I'm gonna have to agree with you... it appears fate is against us.

Well, that's it. WS, I feel for you man. Good luck convincing the Germans that we played a better game and still lost. Now I can only hope that Korea advances and beats the Germans senseless.

I know I can't say this without sounding biased (because I am), but that was a game we should have won. On the positive side, I think US football is definitely on the rise, and I expect better things next year. Now only one of my teams is left, and they face Spain tomorrow.

suho, to get back to that handling:
the rules say, that it is only handling if the player is actively influencing the direction of the ball. and in that case the ball got shot on the hand and german defender even wanted to pull his hand away.

i remember france 98' when italy lost because of a wrong decision in nearly the same situation. it was roberto baggio who caused a "hands" which wasnt really one! then the others got an 11-meter and italy was out. like always italy is loosing because of wrong referre decisions.

webshaman, why the hell are you posting "go usa" hundred times in the same thread? isnt it enough one time?
anyway... lucky germany did it again.

Hope Spain Beat Korea, then, I'm sure to beat germany!

Grumble: I understand the rules, but I'm still not sure if the player wasn't trying to actively influence the ball. It was his arm, after all, that prevented the ball from going in. As I said before, though, it is now a moot point. Whether it was a good call or a bad call, it's not going to change the result. Lucky Germany is right, though.

Wakkos: *sigh* We'll just have to see how tomorrow's match goes, won't we? Don't be too confident of a victory, though. Unfortunately, I won't be around to comment here. I'll be away for most of the weekend. Hope you enjoy the match, whichever way it does go.

I find it interesting, though, how Korea is merely underestimated, while the US is hated. Not surprising, of course, just interesting... it's a lot easier to root for a team that people don't hate, just underestimate.

Heh. Didn't catch this the first time around:

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like always italy is loosing because of wrong referre decisions.

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Please, Grumble, for the love of God, tell me you are not one of the people who think the referee "gave" the match to Korea. It's embarassing, for crying out loud. Sorry, but I'm a bit on edge because of that.

Well, it's over...too bad with the hand-play (should have been 11 meter), but them's the breaks....however, the Germans did not impress me...on the contrary...the US played an overwhelmingly dominate game...but without a goal, you can't win.

So congrats Germany...(yes, I am a fair loser...even if it is said with gritted teeth, our boys played very well, and can go home with their heads held high).

@Grumble - sorry if it bothered you...but I was pretty hyped for our boys...if I offended anyone with that, then I apologize..

But at least I don't hide behind referees, now, do I? Wanna win? Shoot some goals. Period. That's why America lost. Calls (from referees) to the side, the ball has to go into the goal to win...and we just didn't do that...and Germany did. Nothing else matters but the end result.

As far as Italy goes, they are cry babies...instead of concentrating on the real failures (i.e. not making the many goal chances into goals).

But them's the breaks...

Go Korea!!!!!

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suho, i am not referring to the korea game specially (but also this one). i mean in general italy often had bad luck with referees in the last WMs and EMs except for the USA94 finale.

edit:
quote: the referee "gave" the match to Korea.

he didnt give it korea, but his wrong decision made korea win. infact, be honest suho, the one goal italy scored in the after time was regular and totti's red card was infact a foul which would have brought another 11-meter for italy. and the 11-meter foul in the beginning of the game was also not a foul, so after all italy should have won 3:0 if everything would be correct and if i am a fuckin bastard italian faschist. wuhahaha....
dont take me serious suho.

well im outta here for the next 3 days, there is europe's biggest outdoor party goin on at my place!

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WS: Yep, that is unfortunately one of the rules of football.

But you're right about Germany. If Korea can get past Spain, I think they have a shot at the finals... *crosses fingers*

[Edit: Grumble - OK, I hear you. Sorry man, I'm a bit peeved at the moment, if you can imagine...]

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ohhh weeeyyyy...and US looked sooo good on the field.. they played really great game...

now, I have no reason to watch Wcup =(

MAX

GREAT GAME by both sides .. even though we all know who fought the harder match .. I think the only mistake was made by the US Goal Keeper .. that ball was far to close to his goal line and he should have come OUT to jump for it .. instead he was PINNED on his goal line .. and couldn't do much .. that was the only mistake that cost US the game

good game by both sides .. though US just didn't prevail on it's golden opportunities


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Suho, I'm not underestimating the Korean TEam!!
they have a lot of probabilities of winning that game!!
I'm a little scared because of that!

What we call here 'the red tide' is going to be our worst enemy, besides of the really fast Korean Game, add that the fact that Hiddink knows very good the spanish team (he speaks perfect spanish too!)

So, we will see!!
I wish spain wins, but I have no reasons to say that Spain is going to win. It's going to be a hard game.

Hey Suho you said stop being a prick right!! well i'm really gonna start supporting the US after this was said "Who cares about Britian? Lets go USA !" Brasil - Germany final any takers?

Cheers Aroma

I said that, and Im not even American...
Lighten up a little. I have a lot of british friends, and that was a joke to them.


[edit] And look at purpose, my post was there clearly to direct attention to the USA - Germany game, yours was there clearly to offend Americans.


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I would have taken it as a joke if Suho hadn't had butted in!!! I thought his team had already qualified magnificently!!!

Anywayz USA and England had a very good cup run the best in a long time!!!!

Cheers Aroma

[edit] me got up @ 5:30 this morning to go to my city centre to watch the game not so big as the 500,000 that went to Suho's city centre but a cool 5000 watched the game!!!

[This message has been edited by aroma (edited 06-21-2002).]

It has started...sorry wakky but...Go Korea!

Looks like its going to be a hard match...still 0-0.

Still 0-0, however, should it continue at its present state, Korea will win...the Koreans are putting great pressure on the Spanish...

Half-time...and still 0-0. The second half will be hotly contested, I think. Really surprised that the Koreans are playing such good soccer. Of course, the Spanish are also playing well. Should be a very interesting second half.

Whoever wins will crush the Germans with this level of soccer...the Germans just are not in this league...unless they 'fix' their game dramatically...

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I told you before: No Korean is going for the left side, Puyol is there!!!!!
I told you before: Joaquín is going to make very good things up there!!!

Valerón and De Pedro are making a good game for the right side, added to that, the innocence of the Koreans in the defense, I hope the game keeps as the 1st part last 15 minutes

hehe...I can imagine that you are just about to the point of pulling out all that hair, eh, wakky? What an exciting game it has been so far.

The second half will tell. You must really be nervous about now...and I would guess that master Suho is, as well...

Wish I wasn't at work, so I could enjoy a coupla beers to this match...*sigh* Oh well, at least I gots a TV here...

Suho is probably as nervous as I am!!! hehehe

WS, At Work?
Saturday?
9:30 am?

I haven't sleep anything, just went to visit my cousin in his new job (Barman)
but this game keeps me awake!!!!

THAT was a valid goal of Spain.
Why it was not validated?

No, it wasn't valid.

Spain is in big trouble at the moment...the Koreans are building momentum, and are running through the Spanish defence as if it wasn't there...only the attacks are not all that well coordinated...the only reason that Spain is still in the game.

Spain needs to do something fast, or the koreans will eventually get it together...and score.

What is Spain thinking??!!?? The last couple of 'attacks' (if you could call them that) have not been worthy of Spain...I've seen them play much better...

Still 0-0 though...

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Why it was not valid?
I didn't get it. The korean TV seems not to want to replay the scene.

I think the call was off-sides...

The Germans kinda skipped over it, too, but the sideline referee had that flag up, so...

Ok, it seems the Spanish are starting to move something...and the Koreans are somehow...getting tired? The Korean attack is faltering...

Unless something unusual happens, this game will go into over-time...but that last shot from Korea was not bad...

Ok, as expected, over-time...this could be interesting...

For the game...pretty uninteresting (as far as goals go...). I would say the Koreans played better than the Spanish, but have no goal to show it.

Now it all comes down to who scores first...or we go to 11 meter shooting...



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Now is the extra time, Golden Goal, the first in scores, wins the game.

The Spanish Goal was a mistake from the refery, it was not off-side, but that happens, referys make mistakes.
Now I hope Medieta gets into the game and make something on the spanish left side. Luis Enrique is a good option as the 'second man' on the spanish attack.

Anyone can win now.


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And i desagree on that: I don't think Korea played better that Spain. Spain has been all the 90 minutes over the field, and Korea has been lost in some very long moments!!

Alea Jacta Est

[This message has been edited by Wakkos (edited 06-22-2002).]

COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 MISTAKES NOW!!!!!!!!

THAT WAS A FUCKING GOAL!!!!!!!

Something is very wrong with the Korean games.
I have absolutely nothing against Korea but that second goal of Spain was also valid.
Something is wrong in the World Cup.
One mistake is human, two mistakes in a row is an absurd.

You can tell that to the italians......

Another foult that wasn't.......

Hehe...you guys crack me up...yeah, ok, the refs aren't perfect...but you didn't see the Americans complaining about the goal that was declared not a goal.

Wanna win? Then shoot a clear goal. And that's it, folks.

On with the match...and you will see in the statistics that Korea has played better...

But it is still goal-less...anymans game from here...

Who wants it bad enough?

There is no concept of clear goal.
There is valid goal and not valid goal.
The two of Spain were CLEARLY valid.
It's a pity to see the WC with so many mistakes like these and the ones on Italy, among others.

Sorry, but that goial was CLEAR!

if the ball goes out of the line, is foult, but if the ball does not goes out, you can play, and THAT ball was not out!

Sorry, but that was a clear goal.

Edit:
USA goal, it was a clear penalty, not a clear goal: the ball never went across the line.

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No, because the ref called it out...you are just not getting it, are you. A clear goal is one that stands as a goal.

So, the next overtime begins...both sides clearly tired...and Spain is making the same mistake as Korea...those long passes.

I expect more from Spain. And the fouls are slowly heating up...

Both teams are getting nowhere, fast...

Unless something unusual happens, this thing will go to 11 meter shooting...

And sorry again: that was not off side, and clear.

I know what is a clear goal.
What I mean is that the goals WERE valid but ONLY the referre saw something wrong and so, he didn't validated them. But, since HE is the man that must validate the goals, what matters is not if the goal was legal or not, but if the referee thinks it was legal or not. For me and for all the brazilian guys here in Brazilian TV, they were valid goals.

How the hell is a goal stand as a goal if the fucking refery does not validate it?

Well, it looks like an 11 meter shootout to me...though Spain is playing somewhat better now, they just are too tired (as are the Koreans).

If Spain had played like that from the beginning...but they didn't.

Great game, I'm glad I'm not really all that emotionally attached...I think my nerves would be shot by now...

Now the thrilling part... penalties, as we say here in Brazil.

The End.
Congrats Koreans.
I hope we meet in the finals...

I just can quote Helguera talking to the refery:

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HIJO DE PUTA

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I'm not going to say that Korea plays better or Spain did, I just know that Spain make 2 goals, and could make 2 more if it wasn't for the fucking refery.

Korea is in the semi-finals! Unbelievable!

I have the feeling that it will be Brazil vs Korea in the Final...these Koreans...unbelievable.

Sorry the the game was, once again, struck with controversy...but them's the breaks...

Spain can still be proud of what they have accomplished in this WC.

They played well, and can go home without dishonor.

So, Germany remains as the only European team...

European soccer is dead...long live European soccer!

Now that Germanys hopes have risen...they have to face a totally frenzied Korean team...Ouch!

Sorry about the end result wakky...but I had to go through it too.

Not a very nice quote, wakky...but I can understand your frustration...I went through it, as well.

Now it is time for Senegal to teach Turkey a thing or two...

Wouldn't a Final of Senegal vs Korea be unbelievable?

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 06-22-2002).]

It's not frustration, I said the same in the Italy Korea Match.

It's true, that's something really shameless. Fifa would take some measures about that, like selecting only the good referis, even if all the referies are from the same country, if they are good, it's a guarantee and none will invalid a goal that's valid and you can win your game as good as you play.

Again, quoting La Gazzeta from Italy:

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A Shame

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I know I said I was going to be away for the weekend, but I just had to get to a computer and say something...

OK, the goal that was called back because the ball was out--you're right, the ball wasn't out. But the flag was already up, which makes everything after that point moot.

It was a hard fought match on both sides, but I don't think the ref gave the match to Korea (or, as Grumble would put it, bad decisions by the ref caused Korea to win). As WebShaman said, if you want to win, score clear goals. The ref is not perfect, and he makes mistakes both ways. That's the way the game goes. I'm sorry that this has to be another game mired in controversy. Personally, I don't think there would be this much controversy if it weren't Korea and if they weren't the hosts. But they are, and the Europeans are sore about it. I bear no ill will against any inmate here (including you, aroma; sorry for the hasty comment, it was a bad moment for me), and I hope that no one bears any ill will against Korea.

I'm happy that Korea is through, and I think they have a chance against Germany. I think a Korea-Brazil final would be nifty, but in my heart of hearts I'm not sure if even the strength of the Red Devils could help Korea overcome Brazil. But it's one game at a time, right? Germany is still a tough team, and they are going to tower over the Koreans. It will definitely not be an easy match.

So, Wakky, no hard feelings? I know you're probably pissed right now, but hopefully that will pass. Spain got a few bad breaks, but Korea also had some bad breaks in the first half and Spain failed to capitalize. That's just the way the game goes, and when you get to this level all the games are going to be balanced on a pin.

I still love you guys, even if you are all pissed off at my team.

DAE-HAN MIN-GUK MAN-SE!
OZONE ASYLUM MAN-SE!




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I would just like to congratulate Korea and lend them my support.
Korea for the World Cup!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers Aroma

Hey! no hard feelings at all!!
I like Korean Team, I accept that Korea won in Penalty, that's fair! both team played similar.

What pisses me off is the fact of so many mistakes from the referies!

One mistake, humm, ok, two, ok, can be, but five mistakes? not fair.

I'm not meaning that Korea has something to do, I don't think so coming from a proud nation as the Korean.
I just said that refery is an asshole, three of them, the principal and the liniers.

Too bad america lost.. damn. (100 posts BTW.)



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Ok, let's get ready for Senegal vs Turkey!!!

I've really been waiting for this game...I think Senegal is perhaps the only team that might be able to give Brazil problems...

Go Senegal!!

(small note: I do find it strange that so many calls by the refs have been bad...wonder what's up with that? If it was just an isolated case, then I wouldn't worry about it, but...as the WC approaches the end game, it's becoming more obvious...I truly do hope it is just mere coincicence..)

Yup. The game has started...Go Senegal!!!

Well, my initial impression seems to be right...Senegal seems to have the game pretty much in hand (well, foot, if you will). They just need to settle down a little...maybe a bit too much nervous energy...

This game is starting to get interesting...

Well, first half is over...Hmmm...don't think that Senegal is the team to beat Brazil after all. Still 0-0. Though Senegal had chances, they couldn't get the ball in the gaol. Turkey couldn't either.

Seems that only Brazil can really score goals this one around...

At the present rate, they will be WC (Brazil). Only those that can score goals, win.

Well, we'll see in the second half...who wants it bad enough...

Overtime...Hmmm...up to this point, all I can say is, that Senegal plays a very sportsmans game...both teams could win (golden goal) now...

Turkey golden goal! Wow, what a goal! Turkey wins! Too bad they are going to get squashed by Brazil...

So, the semi-finals are complete :

Germany vs Korea
Brazil vs Turkey

My tip - Brazil and Korea in the final.

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[pouting]

DAMN why did Freidel come off his line .. I know for a fact it would have been US into the semi-finals .. you have hands freidel USE THEM! .. the ball was on your 5 yard line .. you could have easially made a challenge for the ball and punched or grabbed the ball in mid-air

but still it was a great showing from the US .. and I'm MORE THEN happy the US waxed Mexico in the Second round

US 2006!!!!!


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Well, i am not a football fan , yet I do follow these forums, and I have read many comments about Turkey would lose the match and yet they win it Suprising team eh?

Turkey lost a lot of opportunities foolishly against Senegal and I can say played better than Senagal.
It would be a tough match for Turkey agains Brazil but who knows.
Everybody was very gentle agains each other in this match , interesting. No fights, everyone helps other to stand up, or shoot the ball out even for minor injuries.

I wouldn't be very suprised if I watch Korea vs Turkey at the finals.


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hmmm...korea won against Italy?
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Darn it, Senegal lost, 0 - 1 to turkey....

Korea and Senegal were the two teams I've been behind for most of the cup. Although I feel stronger ties to the Korean team as I've ment quite a few S.Koreans online over the years that I've become good friends with. Most likely because I live in a similar time zone to them but eh...

I would have liked to see Senegal advance to the semi's but they did an amazing job just getting to the WC in the first place so hopefull that's enough for them. In any event, the next four matches should be very interesting.

Turkey will be a tough team to beat but I have strong hopes that we (Brazil) will make it. If we make it, then, if we meet Korea in the final, Brazil will have to play really really good because it'll be eleven against thirteen or fourteen.
Korea has two, sometimes three players more than the other teams: the crowd and the referees...

(Well, Brazil has had its share of referee's help in some important games too)

Well, there's been a lot of controversy over the refereeing, and I have to say that I agree--the refereeing this time around has definitely not been the best. I would not say, however, that the refs are always on the side of the Korean team. My personal opinion is that the refs are not playing favorites, they just suck. I remember in the US-Mexico game one of the American defenders cleared the ball from the area with his fist(!), and no one batted an eye. I thought, 'Well, that's one we got away with.' There were plenty of other calls that went against us, though.

All that being said, I can understand how Spanish fans would be upset. What I do not understand, though, is some of the really horrible things that the Italian coaching staff said about Korea--mostly implication, that Korea is a poor, uncivilized nation, but some pretty bad stuff none the less. That is just not right. Shouldn't events like the WC bring the world together, rather than tear it apart? Perhaps that's a naive view, but still...

I was a bit surprised at Senegal's loss. I was really pulling for them, because then we would have had one team each from Africa, Asia, Europe, and South America, which would have been nice. I would like to say that they stand no chance against Brazil, but who knows what will happen. I do think Brazil will win, though, and I think Korea can get past Germany (especially if they continue to play the way they have been).

Oh, and any team that plays against Korea is not playing eleven against thirteen or fourteen. It's more like eleven against forty million. However, Korea will not have the same advantage if it makes it to the finals, since the final match is being played in Japan. The Japanese have been very supportive of the Koreans (I wonder if the Koreans would have been so supportive if the tables had been turned...), but it won't be the same. If Korea fails to make the finals, though, I would say they're a good bet for third place, as that match is being played here. I do hope they beat Germany, but they've already accomplished so much I don't think people will be too disappointed with third or even fourth place.

Well, the remaining matches should all be good ones, and I'm looking forward to them!

This thread has gotten pretty long; please continue discussion here. This will probably be the last continuation...

Someone want to close this one? Thanks.

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